Thread slowing up.
People failing to accept or trying to explain away the support Putin is getting from the general populace of other countries reminds me a lot of how many regarded Trump as completely unelectable, yet he won the first election and lost the second but with more votes than any other sitting US President.
Sometimes you just have to accept that you don't understand the mindset of people. Especially those who have different values, cultures and education systems than us.
Some extra info on the possible future state of the Russian aviation sector. Some common points with the twitter thread linked earlier in this thread but I did get a chuckle out of hearing that a big Aeroflot maintenance base is located in Germany. Even Russian built planes with Russian engines aren't immune from sanctions.
China holds a key position. They could end this war by throwing russia under the bus by sanctioning them like the west. Then it's game over for Putin.
Why might china do this? To end the war as it is effectiving the world and their economy more than they like.
Do you have a source for this? Someone else here said it was 2 days to get Kiev.
Big scalp if true:
NATO has also invaded without the endorsement of the UN security council. (just saying)
i’ll get my coat now
Please do
In talk anyway. They still haven't subdued Ukraine in any way and by the time that looks likely they'll have a lot more problems. It's been barely a week and their economy looks like it's beginning to shut down already. China will impress on them the need to go no further.
On your final point I've a whole view on that. 😂 To be completely honest I think the no politics and religion is a good guideline, not just for the night but perhaps also bigger picture. I'm getting well into my 30s now and had some changes in views in that time but it was from reading, not someone in a pub who would cry halfway through a sentence. Maybe it doesn't fully apply here (with our rainbow of similar gombeens) but in the more 2-party kind of places I find the constant discussion of politics doesn't really serve much of a function aside from often just entrenching views.
Different countries have different psyches for sure, but the default is to defend your homeland.
Part of Russian propaganda for half a century is to infiltrate everything and often do nothing. They can later say "Look, we had an asset at the top" therefore undermining anything that was done.
You can target useless (not a typo) idiots on the "left" because they want any anti-government cause to cling to.
The kind of control and gaslighting in Russia can't be understated. A similar thing to my second line, the state funds opposition and infiltrates and either takes them down or shifts them into line and end up absorbing what's left.
Then there's the intellectual side of it. By lying deliberately and openly it's part of the "there is no truth" thing. Questions from the first week of a philosophy correspondence course can be fun sometimes but we even see people on here with the whole "Oh they have their stories, we have ours" as if it's an amazing insight for someone over the age of 6.
The Kremlin uses logic and semantics for, well, basically trolling. Ignore 10 things but point out something from a document from 1997 that you say you believe provides justification for what you are doing. They're off checking? Grand, by the time they get back and say that it doesn't quite say what I said and isn't really relevant anyway I'll have spouted 20 more bits of bullshit, 4 of which look like they might be true from a quick google but 20 minutes later ya realise they don't. The rest can mostly be dismissed out of hand.
The average/normal Russian likely thinks along the lines that the West are similar in psyche (weaker they likely think) but with different aims. The damage done to the psyche of hundreds of millions (just former USSR) and the deep, deep cynicism cannot be understated.
Spain will send 1,370 anti-tank grenade launchers to Ukraine on Friday as part of its first shipment of offensive weapons to help against the Russian invasion.
The shipment will also include light machine guns and 700,000 rounds of rifle and machine-gun ammunition, said Spain’s Defence Minister Margarita Robles.
It's burnt off literally
Basically a threat ,that's no uncommon Ive been in Copenhagen when Russian bombers were practicing low level raids directly approaching Copenhagen and then turning , Danish fighters then going super Sonic to intercept them,all regular occurances along Scandinavia , even before they invaded ukraine a Russian navy fleet sailed past gotenburg and at the same time Drone's were spotted over power stations and other government infrastructure.
Russia is a law unto themselves ,we can do whatever we want and if you try Stop us military actions will be inflicted on you
Ring ,you will get through.
Russian embassy dublin 01 492 2048
Russia taking the piss now:
Four Russian fighter jets entered Sweden’s airspace to the east of the island of Gotland in the Baltic Sea, the Swedish Armed Forces has said.
Was it. If it was wouldn't they have had thrusts in to the west of Ukraine.
Someone mentioned yesterday that any Russians they knew seemed to be unwilling to directly condemn the war. This is unlikely to be some latent agreement with the war and more likely to be an ingrained tendency to not express an opinion that contradicts government doctrine. Cultural memory can be strong, and Russians being "disappeared" for daring to criticise the government has been a feature of Russian life as long as anyone can remember. As a result, your typical Russian is conditioned to just say nothing if they don't want to express support.
We have a lot of vestiges of this here in Ireland - culturally it's considered ignorant and rude to discuss politics and religion in polite company. Which is a hangover from a century or more where expressing certain opinions for (or against) particular institutions could land you in hot water with the local priest or RIC.
Yes!... got him.
Drat. Really thought we had him there.
Then went on to read it was just his waxwork being taken out of a museum - because visitors are now vandalising it. Sigh.
yes, its likely to continue until China steps in, Putin has designs on linking up Transnistria and Kaliningrad with mainland Russia if nobody stops him before then, the Kaliningrad part will ignite WW3 if he goes for it but they seem to be prepared to do that, theoretically
One of the things I'm curious about is the Kremlin's propaganda machine and one of the dozen things I worry about in this War is the hardening of the hearts and minds of the Russian people against the West. From everything I've read, it looks like the North Koreanization of the people has begun, but with the war going badly now for the Russian army, I wonder how long more the Kremlin can stay on message ? I read in the Times this morning that Russian POWs were calling home and telling parents that the training exercises and peace-keeping drills they expected to be on were lies. Their Ukrainian captors were telling tearful mothers that they were free to come to Ukraine and collect their frightened sons and bring them home - which is a powerful image. I don't know the programming style of the official Russian news channel, but you'd imagine Russians are probably wondering where is the footage of Russians soldiers being greeted with smiles and kisses from liberated Ukrainians. Of course, Goebbels had films made in the camps of well fed Jews tending to their gardens and playing in orchestras, happy in their labour in the East, so perhaps the Kremlin has this already covered.
And Russia are going to change that..
I think they will chance their arm against a Nato country but will use the likes of Belarus to do their bidding and say oh we're not involved this is a local historic conflict that needs to be settled
The objective was a 15 day campaign to take the entire country.
The act of Russia's invading a sovereign neighbor thousands of miles away, has nothing to do with whether an Irish politician told lies at some stage in the past. So take your whataboutery and shove it up your **** hole dipshit.
And that's where the UN proves that it's worthy of existence or not.
Serge Lavrov- the USA is like Hilter or Napolean, thats fighting talk
That's interesting, I never realised that. What do they do then with their surplus gas, vent it?
Time to make more potato bread then!
But I'd prefer to go without eggs completely if the only alternative is dried egg 🤮
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