Amnesty scheme for undocumented migrants in Ireland

Topgear on Dave · 31-01-2022 10:17pm

Iv never though getting amnesties for irish illegals in the states was regarded as that important or popular. How often do you ever see it mentioned here?

Everybody who's gone in there in the last 20+ years knows the score. Yes, you can live there illegally but the US is upfront about not being publicly seen to be a soft touch.

31-01-2022 10:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562265#Comment_118562265

I and everyone I know have never called for Irish illegals to be given an amnesty. In fact I think America should start enforcing their borders and immigration policies properly.

John Doe1 · 31-01-2022 10:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562265#Comment_118562265

No person I know thinks Irish illiegals in America should be given an amnesty...

People need to follow the rules in the country in which they are a guest in. If you give an amnesty to every Tom, Dick and Mohammed every few years, we will have the dregs of the third world at our door making our housing crisis worse, increasing the number of dole spongers and creating more societal division.

Kermit.de.frog · 31-01-2022 10:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058230606/amnesty-scheme-for-undocumented-migrants-in-ireland

This type of policy is beyond naive. It's actually dangerous in my opinion.

Strumms · 31-01-2022 10:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118561665#Comment_118561665

the yanks march to the beat of their own drum. They value enabling the safety and welfare of their citizens as first priority …

an amnesty won’t do that… it will enable the welfare of others…Irish citizens PAY to become secondary priority…

there are supposedly 17,000 undocumented people living here…..17,000 people extra entitled to medical cards, weekly social welfare etc…

those medical cards have to come from somewhere, the social welfare funds too.

Danzy · 31-01-2022 10:42pm

Ronald Reagan would be proud to see it

agoodpunt · 31-01-2022 10:44pm

millions spent on legal fees for bogus and been rejected elsewhere in the EU probably 90% slap in the face for tax payers 2/3 on SW many with criminal well done refugee lobyists

road_high · 31-01-2022 10:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562430#Comment_118562430

The levels of state expenditure on welfare and health frankly terrify me. Little wonder the high rate of taxation kicks in at such a low level. Someone has to fund the handouts to all and sundry

Pussyhands · 31-01-2022 10:54pm

The state of this highly upvoted reddit comment from an irish person in the worldnews subreddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/sgz11x/ireland_gives_undocumented_migrants_path_to/hv0i4ny/

Ireland has a long history of supporting the rights of undocumented Irish abroad in the US and Australia in particular. We're well versed in how such migrants make their communities better and integrate.

Its right that mechanisms exist for those who do so to get their status fixed

There's no such thing as undocumented, they're illegal. It is shameful that Irish governments support law breakers.

I really hate the "oh Ireland did this in the past therefore we should pay it back by doing that". You see it often with immigration..."how can an irish person be against immigration when the irish emigrated themselves?"

People talking as if it's not a completely different world we live in. The Irish didn't take housing of the people they emigrated to and they weren't sponging off welfare either.

Patrick2010 · 31-01-2022 10:54pm

McEntee keeps referring to the Irish illegals in the US as a reason why we should have an amnesty for illegals here,why?? The Irish who went there knew they were taking a risk , do the rest of us who stayed have to pay for this?

Annasopra · 31-01-2022 10:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562116#Comment_118562116

They might or they might not get citizenship. They would still have to go through the whole process of it which could take several years and cost about a €1000 or so.

Jinglejangle69 · 31-01-2022 10:58pm

Between this and Rodrics plan to house everyone who comes here illegal or not.

Utterly depressing.

Where has this inferiority complex that we have to please everyone in the audience come from???!

31-01-2022 11:00pm

Of course they'll be granted Citizenship.

There are millions of people who would pay tens of thousands of euro for an E.U. passport and more especially one for a Country where access to welfare supports are so freely permitted.

I'd better shut up now because Irish passports as a profit centre is a concept which might grain traction with this Government.

Strumms · 31-01-2022 11:01pm

shouldnt terrify,, you pay tax, then if your health hit the skids as mine did I was glad of a dig out, never guilty for a second… but my request for actual services and avenues of recovery were and are still shut off to me behind big waiting lists…and incompetent consultants…

I’ve a phone consultation on Thursday that will AGAIN be a two minute “ok keep up the good work”….type of encouragement effort…NOTHING will be offered.

when I enquire about physio / hydrotherapy ‘again’…. “ well, there is quite a waiting list erm, can you get it privately ? “…we’ll, I have been for x years….. I’ve paid thousands….

so really if you went into Tesco and payed 200 to the cashier but only walked out with 20 quids worth of groceries…. That’s what it’s like as an Irish taxpayer in our health system.

an amnesty for the undocumented will only make that magnified thousands of times….as well as setting a precedent for it to occur every x years.

Yurt2 · 31-01-2022 11:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562314#Comment_118562314

Oh I dunno, there's fairly regular calls in certain constituencies for the government to do something about "poor Johnny and Mary abroad in Chigaco, and they can't come home for the funerals, and isn't it awful, shur the Irish build America and JFK and all that."

Not mocking Irish in America with that comment btw. I have relatives that lived the undocumented life for a while. I know it's tough, but they went with their eyes wide open about it.

31-01-2022 11:06pm

It is amazing how many posters seem to prefer having thousands of unknown people living in the country, rather than finding out who they are!

Strumms · 31-01-2022 11:09pm

They could always tell us rather then us paying to do all that legwork.

agoodpunt · 31-01-2022 11:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562517#Comment_118562517

There no SW in the states like here

Gatling · 31-01-2022 11:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562541#Comment_118562541

Of course they will and you can guarantee that they will get assistance to help pay ,

ebbsy · 31-01-2022 11:20pm

A kick in the teeth for the people that come here and stay here legally.

Gatling · 31-01-2022 11:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562599#Comment_118562599

It's not as if they are planning to deport anyone regardless of what crimes they commit ,17% of our prison population is non national ,

Strumms · 31-01-2022 11:24pm

The US have capital punishment, because it’s happening there we should have here ..?

We have to cut our cloth to meet our measure…

amnesty’s for illegal / undocumented doesn’t enable that or our wellbeing..just theirs.

enricoh · 31-01-2022 11:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562599#Comment_118562599

If the price of knowing who they are is access to welfare, social housing and family repatriation ignorance is bliss as far as I'm concerned.

01-02-2022 12:53am

In Germany there is an obligation of identity and to register your place of residence. It is much more difficult to exist under the radar in Germany than Ireland. Employing those who have entered Germany illegaly is very difficult. A German police officer can demand to see your identity card and if not happy you won't be going anywhere until they've satisfied themselves as to your identity. They're also able to check your residence details straight away.

These illegal immigrants are on their way to citizenship because Ireland can't track illegals and McEntee has just capitulated.

01-02-2022 1:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562599#Comment_118562599

Except for a few things.

Firstly, many of them are known, since they've been caught by the Gardai, but released back into society. There's a range of articles and press releases relating to the Gardai/Justice that they don't hold on to most illegals.. but their names/details are taken. Secondly, their details are often taken when they seek medical or educational services, which are provided under international law, but the local organisations involved do take their details. It wouldn't take much to gain access to those records if there was some interest in doing so.

Lastly, a fair chunk of these illegals are those who came here legally on visa, but didn't leave when their visas expired. A wee bit of investment into a range of database search programs would gather the names of those who didn't leave.. vs those who have since renewed their visas, or have left through normal channels..

It's amazing the assumption that these people are not known to the authorities, or that they couldn't be traced if the govt truly desired to do so.

01-02-2022 1:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118563089#Comment_118563089

There's no interest in tracking illegals... not that they couldn't be tracked if the interest was there. McEntee reflects our political elite.. more interested in short term feel good gestures, and less interested in the long-term negative consequences. You can be sure she (and the politicians who support her) will never take public responsibility for anything bad that comes from this.

Geuze · 01-02-2022 1:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118558321#Comment_118558321

There are 166,000 approx on the Live Register.

Plus there are 67,000 on PUP.

I don't see much need for a lot of non-EU labour, given there are over 200,000 people on LR and PUP.

DebDynamite · 01-02-2022 2:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118562517#Comment_118562517

And it’s not as if the Irish illegals in America are any way close to getting an amnesty right now, so why the need for us to pay it forward? Plus if you come to the attention of the authorities over there you will absolutely be deported, and rightfully so.

Judging by the comments on here and online, people are overwhelmingly against this, and it’s this area people usually tend to shy away from being outspoken about for fear of being labeled racist. Why is Ireland perusing this when it’s against the will and the best interests of it’s citizens?

Strumms · 01-02-2022 3:17am

Even in some circles to discuss it can even attract the racist tag…. It’s a convenient way to shut down debate.

fritzelly · 01-02-2022 4:50am

I'm dumbfounded how anyone awaiting deportation (well that would pretty much include all illegals) or with a criminal record can now apply to legally work here and ultimately citizenship

There is zero reason to do this except as maybe a vote getter but she must be deluded if she thinks this will get the party/her votes

I'm losing all faith in FFG and anyone in government to actually stand up and work for the country and the people who pay taxes - the current government makeup is an absolute disgrace - I'd vote for SF but they're worse but might give a kick in to the teeth to FG/FF

I'd drink myself to sleep but can't afford it anymore - thanks FG

Amnesty scheme for undocumented migrants in Ireland

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