Any thoughts on this given the large uptake of vaccination for Covid in Ireland?
Yeah, and let's add in contraception, and vaccines for flu, Hep b, TB ....
Grand, read the post. What I was looking for is some substantiation of the requirement.
If you don't have any, fine.
no you won't
I find that it adds comic value to read Risteard81's posts in an Ian Paisley voice.
It drives clicks and 30c texts.
Once again a human rights expert who doesn’t understand what body integrity means from a human rights context.
“Being able to move freely from place to place; being able to be secure against violent assault, including sexual assault ... having opportunities for sexual satisfaction and for choice in matters of reproduction"
This is taken from the 10 capabilities approach by Martha Nussbaum.
If you want to look at older definitions you can go back to the 40’s…
"No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. In particular, no one shall be subjected without his free consent to medical or scientific experimentation”
None of this applies to life saving, medically approved vaccines.
Only in your mind.
Okay, you’re free to report me let me know how you get on with that!
I can't believe the media are still discussing something that was never happening.
Oh well if he said it won’t happen then..
The so-called "EU" should be disbanded and thrown into history's dustbin - that is absolutely true.
Micheal Martin has said there will be no mandatory vaccination
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/taoiseach-rules-out-mandatory-covid-vaccines-and-says-8pm-curfew-to-stay-for-now-as-ireland-passes-one-million-cases-41225976.html
you’re right on one thing
it’s not open to debate. ROI & NI are not the same country. Your instance to the contrary does not make you correct.
Covid also does not recognise the border.
We will never have biosecurity without a united Ireland (although I could argue by extension that we cannot control biosecurity without Irexit).
No.
I wonder if they’ve been cutting around getting fines left and right for following ROI’s covid rules not the UK’s 😂
Anyone on the pup or dole for that matter mandatory vaccination end of story.
And differing Covid policies which apply only to each country. Covid does not recognise nationalism.
People who are long since dead have no opinion on the matter nor does they’re existence at one time usurp the matter of fact as it stands.
you don’t have to like it but Republic of Ireland & Northen Ireland are different countries. We share the same island, yes, but ROI is Ireland & NI is the UK.
Huh? Lucky ones?
The vast vast majority lived to tell the tale. Over 1 million confirmed cases, many more unconfirmed. They also got natural immunity.
Strange rhetoric
No it's one country. It is un-Irish to claim otherwise. Stop defiling the memory of the Heroes of '16.
Despite 95% vaccination we srebin the midst of a huge wave of infections.
Why, in the name of all that is good, are face to face client or team meetings even happening right now???
The island of Ireland is divided into two countries, two different Governments, two distinct Covid policies. If you live in Northern Ireland you will not be subject to any mandatory vaccination policy should one be introduced in the Republic as you reside outside the State.
I don't live in a different country. I live in the country of Ireland.
I am not saying that these are my reasons but am putting forward reasons that I have heard given in response to your comment
there is not one solitary good reason to not get the vaccine
The unknown long term effects of the vaccine is often cited as a reason for not getting it.
No country can afford ...to have a large portion of its workforce out sick for a couple of weeks every year.
Average days lost per FTE in 2019: 10.1
Mandatory vaccination won’t be introduced in Ireland or most of Western Europe for that matter, but a requirement to be vaccinated is almost a certainty. And it will be driven by economic experts not healthcare experts. This is a game of large numbers and the fact is that a vaccinated population represents a lower risk to society as a whole than an unvaccinated one.
No country can afford a healthcare system that will be able to handle the high number of emergency hospitalizations needed long term nor to have a large portion of its workforce out sick for a couple of weeks every year. The taxpayers/voters won’t wear it. We could not get people to pay water charges so fat chance they are going to pay for antivaxers lifestyles long term.
My son’s team leader refuses to get vaccinated. Yesterday he missed two client meetings and the team meeting/lunch. Pretty soon his employer is going to call a halt to this as the guy can no longer do the job. Twelve, twenty four months on the lifestyle of an antivaxer will be a restricted one.
It is annoying when people who live in other countries with different policies tell us what we are doing wrong. They should focus on their own government’s policies and leave us alone.
The efficacy of vaccines is plain to see by their success in reducing the incidence of serious symptoms.
Interesting article yesterday. Kinda makes the “vaccines don’t work” viewpoint look silly.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/covid-patients-hospitals-intensive-care-22703781.amp
Did you move down from northern Ireland recently?
The problem is, you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. A lot of it does just stem from selfishness. Won't wear a mask? Won't distance? Same story. They'll wrap it up in bullshit they cherry-pick off the net, but it just comes down to not caring about others. It's getting tiresome. The problem is covid started off only really affecting people that they didn't care about. Remember at the start when people were saying it was just the flu, 'it only kills old people and they don't have long left'? I remember that, those people haven't gone away.
But it's not the only reason people are avoiding the vaccine, it's just that they're the ones I have nothing but contempt for. Needles are reason enough for some people. Know a guy who was deathly afraid of needles and vaccines because of a bad hospital experience as a kid. He was initally spouting all sorts of rubbish conspiracy stuff as his reason, but underneath it all it was just fear. He eventually got the vaccine thanks to his family, realised it wasn't so bad and is fully on board now, and fair play to him for doing so.
That's why I'm against anyone being forced to do anything, it's not ethical to start snatching people off the street and shooting them up by force. But I don't see why the old and vulnerable should be punished for other peoples' disregard for the health of society. This is going to be with us for a while, society needs to adjust to that, and I don't think letting a portion of the population suffer just because someone thinks Bill Gates has some evil plan or whatever is fair. People just need to step up and do the right thing.
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