Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

breezy1985 · 07-01-2022 01:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118431046#Comment_118431046

Just on the last paragraph sorry but its just wrong. Ireland is full of state funded HSE mental health facilities with everything from long to short term wards, residential units and houses, clinics, day centres and community hubs, high observation units which all deal with a wide spectrum of mental health disorders. Most people are living right by them but dont even know they are there because they for the most part are not the old style gigantic horror movie looking hospitals and dont advertise themselves with big signs the way a church or charity does

joeysoap · 07-01-2022 02:02AM

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

Most people will just go down to Newry once or twice a year and stock up. (For themselves and family members/ friends etc) while there they will also shop. FWIW there’s an off licence in carrickasticken ( 4 or so miles from Dundalk. At least 3 in Culloville and one in Jonesboro) but most Dubs I expect will head for Newry for shopping ( for a day) to make it more worthwhile.

Atlantic Dawn · 07-01-2022 02:07AM

Had to laugh tonight at Prime Time, they were saying antigen tests were going up to €9 a go in some outlets and that the government had the power to restrict how much a test could be sold for but they don't want to do this as it may impact the supply chain. Shower of feckers, clearly a health affordability issue mirroring their moves on alcohol.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 07-01-2022 03:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118431054#Comment_118431054

So why's he not trying to ban actual cigarettes?

07-01-2022 05:40AM

I do think Ireland has a drink problem but I don't think raising the cost will fix it.

I think it's time to accept that Ireland is a very expensive country to live in now and very difficult to afford for a lot of people.

The cost of putting fuel in the car + tax, the cost of home rent/ownership, getting taxed heavy on wages, the cost of living and now the cost to enjoy yourself ! Where does it end ? It's at the stage where its not an enjoyable place to live, which is already difficult with the state of the country, the scum all over Dublin and other places.

People used to say about cost of living in other countries being high etc but Ireland is now one of the higher countries in Europe and possibly the world too now.

I can't see Ireland been a desirable place to visit or live anymore and all things combined effecting tourism too.

EDIT: I forgot to mention the TV licence, like what the actual ! I've mentioned this to people in other countries other than the UK and they just can't understand it, they thought I was joking !

07-01-2022 08:51AM

I agree because we have drinking problems in Ireland.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118430877#Comment_118430877

Ask your GP if you need further advice. What kind of compromising would you expect in a medical study?

07-01-2022 09:01AM

I agree because we have drinking problems in Ireland.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118431075#Comment_118431075

Have you ever tried to get HSE support for a mental health issue? Hospitalisation should be an absolute last resort. Try to get access to a basic service like counselling from the HSE and come back and tell us how easy it was.

breezy1985 · 07-01-2022 09:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118431401#Comment_118431401

You seem quite certain that I haven't ?

Not saying it doesn't need more but the poster above saying it's all left to charity and private buildings is wrong

dxhound2005 · 07-01-2022 10:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118431257#Comment_118431257

Just on your edit, which countries do you mean? A lot of other countries have TV licences. Ours has been the same price for 14 years now.

dxhound2005 · 07-01-2022 10:20AM

I decided to google that, and the first result says that those who vape are more likely to become smokers than those who don't vape. You can probably find research to disprove that, but you shouldn't just rely on the ideas in your own head.

https://truthinitiative.org/research-resources/emerging-tobacco-products/young-people-who-vape-are-much-more-likely-become

Young people who had ever used e-cigarettes had seven times higher odds of becoming smokers one year later compared with those who had never vaped, according to a new Truth Initiative study.

gmisk · 07-01-2022 10:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118431196#Comment_118431196

votes? Not sure it would be popular right now. But I would say it is only a matter of time, look at what new Zealand are doing other countries might follow

breezy1985 · 07-01-2022 10:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118431611#Comment_118431611

The cigarette companies themselves can see how things are going and are shifting money to other ventures. Without the astronomical money they spend on advertising and lobbying cigarettes will just continue to decline to the point where it will be politically advantageous to back banning them

dxhound2005 · 07-01-2022 10:30AM

Knowing what we know now about tobacco, no government would legalise it if it was a new drug just discovered. And governments worldwide are fighting to reduce the harms done by tobacco. Someone who never smoked will gain nothing from starting. BBC report below.

At the moment, 13% of New Zealand's adults smoke, with the rate much higher among the indigenous Maori population, where it soars to almost a third. Maori also suffer a higher rate of disease and death.

New Zealand's health ministry says smoking causes one in four cancers and remains the leading cause of preventable death for its five million strong population. The industry has been the target of legislators for more than a decade now.

kirk. · 07-01-2022 11:23AM

Pain in the hole this

Left the food out of the shopping basket

07-01-2022 12:29PM

I have 6 or 8 months of slabs boxes put away ... after that i'll see about getting into homebrewing. I will probably end up drinking more and spending less, so nice try govt

Capt'n Midnight · 07-01-2022 12:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118430649#Comment_118430649

For the cheapest beers the price has more than doubled. Economists favour a 2% rate of inflation which would give a doubling time of 35 years. CPI has only doubled since the late 1980's and interest rates have slowed down a lot since then.

dazberry · 07-01-2022 12:46PM

I know a couple chronic alcoholics that will be hit disproportionately be this. Personally I think it's a really cruel thing to do, to those in that vulnerable situation, because that's not really the sort of "encouragement" that will help them. It's really kicking the most vulnerable when they're down sort of thing, but that's easily forgotten when hidden behind statistics. Any other heavy drinkers I know mostly drink in pubs, or are professionals that will absorb the additional costs.

elperello · 07-01-2022 01:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118431793#Comment_118431793

It's science but it's not proper medical advice.

Any normal person with a healthy lifestyle and diet presenting to a GP and reporting that they drink within the guidelines issued by the HSE will be told that is ok but not to overdo it or words to that effect.

This is because GPs understand that the scare tactic of telling people that any alcohol is bad for you just won't work.

The majority of them drink themselves, I know mine regularly "binge drinks" ie. has three pints on a Friday evening.

HBC08 · 07-01-2022 01:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118430958#Comment_118430958

Just the 80% being punished so?

dxhound2005 · 07-01-2022 01:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432662#Comment_118432662

Some drinkers won't be affected. So not 80%. I think punished is the wrong word.

HBC08 · 07-01-2022 01:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432685#Comment_118432685

Really? What drinkers won't be affected?

Those who only drink in pubs? I knew one or two who purported to do this........before the pandemic, now I know none.

People who only drink on holidays abroad?

People who have a strict rule they only have a can once they cross the border?

I'd be interested to hear what % of drinkers you think won't be affected by this blunt,punitive,ill thought out nonsense?

elperello · 07-01-2022 01:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432685#Comment_118432685

What would you call it when a state pensioner who treats himself to a can of beer a night is faced with losing the €5 euro pension increase due to MUP?

Sounds a bit like punishment to me.

dxhound2005 · 07-01-2022 01:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432719#Comment_118432719

People who buy bottles of wine from about €9 up.

dxhound2005 · 07-01-2022 01:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432735#Comment_118432735

Punishment for what?

HBC08 · 07-01-2022 01:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432769#Comment_118432769

That's a fairly specific cohort.Why is everybody else being penalised?

Also,I'd suggest you don't know how markets work if you think that a bottle of wine which was €9 last week will not go up as an indirect relation to MUP.

elperello · 07-01-2022 01:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432769#Comment_118432769

The bottle of wine I bought in Dunnes on the 20% discount offer for €5.48 before Christmas is now €9.75.

Sure what's €4?

MrMusician18 · 07-01-2022 01:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432769#Comment_118432769

When you raise the floor everything rises in step with it. A €9 wine will be €11 or €12 now.

dxhound2005 · 07-01-2022 01:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432814#Comment_118432814

What do you mean by fairly specific? Blame the shop for putting up the price. Nobody is forcing them.

07-01-2022 01:53PM

I agree because we have drinking problems in Ireland.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432657#Comment_118432657

Lots of GPs smoke, fail to exercise, fail to manage mental health, but that generally doesn't stop them from giving good advice.

The risk of low levels of drinking is indeed low, but it is not zero, and people should really know what risks they are taking on, such as emerging evidence around 20% increase in risk of bowel cancer with low levels of drinking.

https://www2.hse.ie/healthy-you/alcohol-blogs/alcohol-putting-europeans-at-risk-of-digestive-cancers.html

HBC08 · 07-01-2022 01:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432845#Comment_118432845

Ah seriously?

That's fairly basic economics and was flagged here many times down the years.Youre also supporting my claim that you don't understand how a market works.I won't be blaming the shop,I'll be blaming MUP,because that is the cause.

Im beginning to think you can't grasp some rudimentary concepts or might even be trolling at this stage.

If so,well done,you got me.

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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