This question goes out those who took the 2 jabs? Will you you take it to get back to normality? Or are you sick of the government moving the goalposts constantly?
For someone talking about research it's bizarre that you claim Covid doesn't affect healthy and normal weight people.
A bit of pick'n'mix you've got going there.
We estimated extra myocarditis events to be between 1 and 10 per million persons in the month following vaccination, which was substantially lower than the 40 extra events per million persons observed following SARS-CoV-2 infection.
Yeah, 10 per million is pretty small.
Infinitesimal, even
Yes I will be taking a booster ; didn't fancy queuing but got a text from the HSE for a test tomorrow.
fascinating story but no thanks
This is an example of why certain people will remain ignorant no matter what you tell them. No matter what you say, they made their mind up a long time ago and no evidence, no stories, no nothing will change their mind. They will continue to live in blissful ignorance.
"Do you want to get a vaccine?"
"No thanks."
"You'll be safer if you do?"
"In your opinion."
"Not in my opinion. That's what the data shows."
"I don't care. I don't have to get one."
"I didn't say you have to get one. I asked you why you aren't getting one?"
"I just don't want one."
"Why not?"
"It's not been fully tested."
"It's been FDA approved."
"Yeah but it was rushed."
"It was developed quickly because researchers around the world worked together as quickly as possible as we're in a pandemic. It was tested as much as any vaccine, including the ones you had as a child, and used methods that had been in development for the past 20 years."
"In your opinion".
"Not in my opinion. You can read the papers about it."
"Why would I read papers about something I don't want?"
"Because you haven't explained why you don't want it."
"We don't know the long-term side effects."
"In the history of vaccines, only two vaccines had long term side effects. And they were both live vaccines. These are not live vaccines. A basic understanding of vaccines would tell you that it doesn't even make sense to suggest that vaccines like this can have long-term side effects."
"Not in my opinion. Just like it's not my opinion that Covid has long term side effects."
"Yeah but I'm in my 20s so I'll be fine."
"By that logic, you'll also be fine if you take a vaccine."
"Yeah but... shut up."
"Weren't you at the lockdown protest last week?"
"Of course I was! Damn government thinks they can tell me what I can and can't do."
"What do you think we should instead do?"
"What do you mean?"
"To end the pandemic?"
"Well, vaccines and lockdowns haven't worked have they? There's still a pandemic."
"Vaccines and lockdowns are however stopping the hospitals from being overwhelmed."
"Don't care."
"Weren't you clapping for the nurses outside your house last year? You do care."
"Shut up."
"So, what do you think we should do?"
"Just vaccinate the vulnerable."
"We have the vulnerable vaccinated. And boosted them. As well as a large portion of the non-vulnerable vaccinated and boosted. And yet the data shows that we still need a lockdown to not overwhelm the hospitals. Because some people, like yourself, refuse to be vaccinated."
"No, it's because the vaccines don't work with Omicron."
"They do still work. They're just not as effective against this mutation compared to the previous mutation. Which is why it's important that people like yourself start getting vaccinated. Vaccines still keep the numbers down in hospitals with this mutation, which is what matters."
"Only if you're boosted. What a coincidence."
"Coincidence?"
"Just as the vaccine is wearing off, we've been given a reason to get boosted. Big Pharma doing their thing."
"What? What are you suggesting? That Omicron was intentionally created?"
"I don't know, and don't care."
"You read that on Facebook didn't you?"
"Shut up. Besides, I'm not taking a booster every 3 months forever."
"Because I've heard you can get a bad headache and stuff from it. I'm not putting something into my body that can cause that if I don't have to, and especially not regularly."
"Weren't you in bed all day yesterday with a hangover?"
"And last weekend?"
"I said shut up."
"And it won't be forever. Covid does not want to kill the host, it wants to survive. And it will do that by mutating to be more transmissible and less lethal, which is what it looks like we're seeing with Omicron.
"Great, so Omicron is less worrisome."
"I didn't say that. While it looks like it might be less lethal, it might still be so transmissible that more people will end up hospital. We don't have enough data yet to know."
"So mutations won't end the pandemic. It might even keeping getting worse."
"No. As I said, Covid does not want the host to die. Eventually, a mutation that's very transmissible but only as lethal as something like the flu will dominate. Then, the pandemic will end and things will get back to normal."
"And when will that happen?"
"We don't know. We cannot predict how and when Covid will mutate. It might be the next mutation, it might be a couple of mutations. All we know is that there may be some more waves until then, and we need to protect the vulnerable in the meantime."
"Great."
"So, you'll get vaccinated?"
"Look, it's winter. Lots of people usually get sick around now anyway. Are you not concerned that there won't be any beds for these people?"
"It'll work itself out."
"Didn't your mom die of cancer a few years ago after a decade-long battle?"
"Yeah, so?"
"Are you not concerned about similar people now?"
"Of course I am."
They'll keep going round and round in circles, all the while not listening or absorbing anything you're saying. They made their mind up a long time ago.
And some, like this poster, will even come into a thread like this and say it proudly. As if it makes them brave. As if it makes them a hard man. When in fact it just makes them look like a little bitch for being afraid of a vaccine.
Boards.ie Covid forum summarised in one post
Got mine yesterday
Just have a sore arm.
It's no big deal, just get the booster.
Getting mine hopefully in next two weeks. Slightly sceptical about the fourth vaccine but we see when the time comes.
Same as me got Pfizer...zero anything bar slightly sore arm
Same here, got the Pfizer.
Not sure what the problem is with people getting it.
Got a Pfizer yesterday, no issues bar a sore arm, after the second one I had serious chills and aches all over for the following day, delighted that did not happen again.
Got pfizer yesterday, sore arm that's it. Totally different to after getting e J&j a few months back.
I do have a headache, but that could equally be the brain haemorrhage I had 2 months ago.
I had two AZ before I was a bit wrecked the morning after the second one, but by about 1 next day I was ok. Would have no issue getting another Pfizer down the line.
That post escalated quickly.
Can this post be stickied please.
Brilliant summary.
Same as, got Pfizer for the 1st 2 and my booster.
Felt rough after the first one but after that no symptoms at all bar a sore arm.
I'll keep taking the booster, I honestly couldn't care how many they push out. I'll listen to actual scientists before some randomers on the Internet anyway.
Just got mine in the Portlaoise centre - in an out in 15 mins, world class service.
Just got mine in the GP's. Moderna, first two were Pfizer. Delighted.
Not often I agree with a bohs fan😉 but yeah, unless something changes I'll be sticking with the science.
Got a Moderna booster yesterday After getting Pfizer for the first 2 jabs, had been 'warned' it'll hit me like a tonne of bricks, but other than a sore arm (I got that after the first 2 jabs also) its been grand, so unless it hits me later today it looks like I'll avoid the side effects others got... happy days.
100 percent.
Getting my third today. If they're expecting me to line up to get a 4th in three months I'll be far less enthusiastic about it. Though I'm sure I'll just get it if they remove my right to travel or go into a pub or gym without it. If their plan for the foreseeable is boosters of what have turned out to be not that effective vaccines every three months then I think everyone (who is not massively at risk from this virus in the first place) will have their own line where they think maybe I just won't bother with this anymore, whether that be 4th/5th/6th etc.
We can declare a Christmas truce on this subject (and this subject only)
Yes but I will never ever take a moderna jab again. Never so sick after it (vomiting etc for hours)
Got Moderna in the pharmacist last night. First two were Pfizer. I've no problem getting it. Feel almost hungover this morning but nothing too bad.
I'm double vaxxed and don't want to get the booster.
Will put it off for as long as possible.
But ultimately I don't want to be a social outcast. I have friends' weddings I would like to attend next year.
I just don't see the data there for people in their 30s to rush to get the 3rd jab to protect 'themselves and the health service'. I already have sufficient protection from the first two.
When there's double jabbed 30 year olds in ICU, I might reconsider.
Isn't that the problem though? I'm not inclined to take a booster but could ultimately be forced if my current vaccine cert is canceled/ replaced. What sort of road are we potentially going down if citizens are effectively forced to take vaccines?
What sort of road indeed?
That would be like saying F**k the European Court of Human Rights. Council of Europe Resolution 2361(2021) on vaccines:
7.3 with respect to ensuring high vaccine uptake:
7.3.1 ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is NOT mandatory and that no one is politically, socially, or otherwise pressured to get themselves vaccinated, if they do not wish to do so themselves;
7.3.2 ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated.
The sort of road your suggesting is also getting very close to Nuremberg Code territory (carries the death sentence).
I'm thinking similar, have an appointment today but very undecided.
If I stack up what I see on this:
Omicron seems less severe
I'm 38 and double jabbed
Have no underline conditions I know of.
The FDA themselves were reluctant at first to authorize boosters for younger age groups.
There has been confirmed deaths in New Zealand linked to jab, my friends nephew also got GBS but he's fine now. So there is very minimal risk with jab of bad outcome.
I'm thinking is it best to wait a few weeks and see how this plays out and if Omicron is really insignificant to my age group.
On other hand do not want to be an idiot in ICU who should have just taken the booster. It's hard to know really and I don't really seen to be able to get any real data on what exactly is the risk to my age group if we don't take booster.
ECHR have upheld mandatory vaccination laws.
This utter nonsense. You know what kind of poster you are dealing with when Nuremberg code guff gets trotted out.
In April 2021 (in the case of Vavřička and others v. The Czech Republic), the Court ruled that a vaccine mandate for children who were admitted to daycare centres did not violate the right to private life. While the Court acknowledged that a vaccine mandate is an infringement of one’s right to private life, the measure was justified as it was required for the protection of the rights of others and public health generally.
I can relate to what you are saying honestly I was a bit hesitant to get mine (40 no underlying conditions). I also had pneumonia in my younger years (as in like 18) it was absolutely horrendous so if covid can hit you worse than that I would avoid. I also didn't fancy the possibility of a reaction to booster over Xmas, I had AZ first two times and booster was Pfizer and zero issue bar a slightly sore arm over 24 hours later. If it was Moderna I might have refused I know some people who weren't great for a few days after that one.
The covid 19 hub has one report which is updated regularly that has 1683 as the total confirmed cases hospitalised in 25-34 age range, but don't see a breakdown by vaxxed, unvaxxed etc.
I did discuss it in detail with my mum who is a retired nurse and that convinced me to go for it, maybe discuss with a doctor or someone in the know? There is some good data on the effectiveness of your initial two doses and the boosters available.
The fact it is currently raging through my sister's house (her husband and all four kids have it - the one hit hardest by it has been her husband who has refused to get vaccinated at all) finally made up my mind.
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