Sorry, but that is not how it works. The US military accepted Trump's medical records as the reason for a deferment, and therefore fact unless you have PROOF otherwise. It is up to you to show the proof it is incorrect. Hearsay and conjecture is not proof.
Not only did Trump weasel out of any kind of military service during the Vietnam war, but then made light of another guy who did serve and was held prisoner for years by the Vietcong. Imagine if Barack Obama had said at any point of McCain, "He's a hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured, OK? I hate to tell ya...." The amount of exploding heads you would have had.... It would never have been let lie, and you could understand it because it is a massively facetious and disrespectful thing to say about an ordeal like that. But with Trump? His supporters didn't care. Just shows the level of integrity they have...
Ya'll win. You're right about everything and I'm apparently wrong about everything. Enjoy preaching to the choir. Happy?
Are you a teenager? Because that's exactly how that sounded.
How about you open your ears to points being made here and even try to understand that your position may be incorrect.
I've never met a more obstinate person in my life. Actually, scratch that. It's another trait you share with your esteemed leader.
Yeah, because we all know the US military would never do anything like accept bungs!!
There are countless examples of draft dodgers, both those than simply refused to go and those that found a way out of it. You can't possibly claim that you cannot forsee any possible issue? We know that Trump is a liar, that he has no regard for the military, he doesn't even attend military services if its raining and holds those captured in the lowest level.
He might well have had bone spurs, it never caused an issue before or since that he has talked about. So when faced with a millionaire with no respect for the military, faced with having to actually put themselves on the front line, he wouldn't be the first, or the last, to come up with a way out of it.
But I have no care about his military service, and if he opted out then thats fine with me.
What is your take on the news breaking today about the 36 slide power point presentation which urged the declaration of a “national security emergency” as a pretext for throwing out election results in several US states?
Surely this is enough to show you that Trump was very much determined to find a way to overturn the election and that is exactly what the insurrectionists were planning on the day of the 6th?
Surely you can't simply wave all the evidence away at this stage?
It's devotion levels worthy of the Wohl's. I honestly think some of his followers are getting some sort of physical gratification from the mental gymnastics they perform and alternate realities they swallow to defend their lord and saviour.
We've reached peak @notobtuse level of debate
"People didn't like that Donald Trump raised his voice, but sometimes you gotta raise your voice to raise a ruckus and to raise an army of patriots who love this country and will fight for her," Gaetz said.
'love this country' !!! what a load of baloney from Gaetz, and Trump, etc. They don't love the country, they may love a little under half the country, but even then I doubt they have any real concern even for their own supporters, look at what they let Covid do to their own people, and didn't try to minimise the effects! It seems to me they're after power for its own sake, not for any sound principle, or wanting to bring about a fairer society for all, or anything noble like that, integrity and Trump don't belong in the same sentence.
And you can keep your hands to yourself in future, that's all gone now.
Poor Eric forgotten about again.
Didn’t you support the smear campaign against Kerry? A man with 3 or 4 Purple Hearts ?
I love how GOP supporters make a massive show of supporting the troops, unless those troops happen to be Democratic politicians. You fanatically support a draft dodger and criticised a man who served with honour.
Like feck you do
When the conclusion is "this sh*t sandwich is a better alternative to food I dislike", I don't care what arguments the other person makes.
When the conclusion is clearly faulty, I see no reason to delve into the reasoning that led there.
funny how you always seem to have personal experience of everything
When Trump said to rake the forests, they were all seasoned firefighters with 40 years experience. Then they became professional meteorologists when Trump drew on a map with a Sharpie or suggest to nuke hurricanes.
And when mention of 'kool aid' behaviour, they suddenly became experts in cult deprogramming
careful you are trying to silence them🤣
How is this not treason?
And not one GOP that knew of this informed the FBI.
A clear and present threat to the democracy of their country and they sat on their hands.
American democracy was essentially saved by Mike Pence. He was the only person standing in the way of the coup.
That is how close it came to a hostile takeover.
Trump was willing to sell out democracy itself to keep himself in power.
And Republicans wanted to hang him.
Trump needs to be in prison.
And Bill Barr
I think Barr would have kept quiet. Resign, well sure a few days ahead of time, but he didn't call out what was going on. Still hasn't.
He allowed the culture of the DoJ is there for Trump rather than America to flourish.
And all this, with ZERO proof that any widespread election fraud actually took place. If Trump runs and gets back in in 2024, that's the end of the US. He'll then appoint his successor, and you'll see the large Democratic states like California look to leave the Union at that stage. It's all quite possible within the next few years, and it's very sad to see it happening.
While I appreciate his enabling particularly with his actions on impeachment #1, however if he was on the Mark Meadows level of lackey he would've followed his master's line about vote rigging in the 2020 election, if he did then we'd be in a very different situation now
Hmm. Seems like being overzealous isn't sitting well with judges handing out sentences:
Capitol Rioters' Social Media Posts Influencing Sentencings
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-12-11/capitol-rioters-social-media-posts-influencing-sentencings
'videotaping this crime spree was the best idea we've ever had'
tHeY wErE jUsT rEguLaR tOuRiStS!!!
They just got a little excited.....
I suppose for the same reason that invasions of countries are often phrased as being "an operation to ensure the security of our people who live in that territory as a persecuted minority", or that the invaded country was harbouring fictitious weapons of mass destruction. Just any old pretext that sounds halfway reasonable. Get called up on it later and you can wriggle out of it on technicalities or that you carried out your nefarious deeds based on good faith and bad intel. Sorted.
Interesting thread, perhaps very much so for some on here...
