This question goes out those who took the 2 jabs? Will you you take it to get back to normality? Or are you sick of the government moving the goalposts constantly?
There is two ways of looking about the vaccine. I'm young & healthy so I'm alright Jack or I a concerned about the risk I bring to my family home. My mother, father etc. Plenty of otherwise healthy under 40s ended up in hospital & even ICU from covid. Some have dies too. Youngest I can remember was a 15 year old in the last few months. I'm not willing to be one that puts pressure on our health system. I don't want people with other ailments not to get the treatment they need just because I didn't want a jab.
Here's the thing, if you took two doses of the vaccine, what is the issue taking a 3rd or 4th. Now all of a sudden to be afraid of a vaccine you took twice? Vaccine passports are being updated. Last dose will have to be within the last 6 months to have a valid passport that will scan. If you don't get 3rd shot by March or so then you will not have a valid passport for eating, drinking indoors or possibly flying out of the country.
I went to Egypt for holiday a few years ago. We got every vaccine recommended by the doctor. We were to go to Peru last year & again had all the recommended shots. Unfortunately the trip has been cancelled till the madness ends
People think in different ways, this is just one way to look at things.
Your assuming here that the only or primary benefit of taking the vaccine is keeping yourself out of hospital. But this is to miss the whole point about vaccination against infectious disease; it's primarily done not to keep you out of hospital or to confer any particular benefit on you, but to confer benefits on other people; to protect them from becoming infected by contact with you.
The vast majority of people don't get flu jabs and there's likely to be a level of complacency and to some extent indifference about boosters. There are already anecdotal reports of it taking longer to persuade people to get another jab, hair appointments getting in the way says the CMO. We are not going to get anywhere near 93% on boosters, especially with far younger healthier people who statistically at least at risk from COVID. An overall booster total of over 70% will be good. It should be high in older and more at risk groups but it would not be surprising at all to find it at 50% or under for some younger cohorts.
No booster: Potential to die horribly from a preventable disease. Wander around asymptomatic for awhile, infecting people you think you might care about, though I question that line of thinking from someone that won't take the vaccine or the booster. Long-term Covid possibility with life limiting conditions.
Booster. Greatly reduced likelihood of dying horribly from preventable disease. Don't wander around asymptomatically infecting people you contact, including those you think you might care about. Greatly reduced likelihood of long Covid.
So, how is not taking the booster the 'sensible' choice?
I must have missed where taking a flu shot was necessary to engage in society. There's a big difference between willingly taking a vaccine as you want to (I've taken the flu vaccine before) and being coerced into getting one like we are now. Until people actually go no, and the vaccine becomes an opt in like the flu vaccine, we'll constantly have that.
For people under 45, just don't think the argument 'do it to stay out of hospital ' holds any weight.
Chances of ending up in hospital are so so low, plus there's very good protection in the first 2 jabs.
I don't think the experts know enough yet . It appears like a desperate scramble and a fingers crossed this works situation.
Absolutely. Up to each individual to make their own choice. I respect your's 😊
The pfizer vaccine works well enough and it clearly gives protection from serious illness and death and has reduced the number of casualties from this pox. That's not in any sort of reasonable doubt. The problem is immunity seems to wane after a few months. A while back J&J released results of their various trials including a six month South African trial which showed their vaccine held up well over time and against Delta. One of their announcements here.
Today’s newly announced studies reinforce the ability of the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine to help protect the health of people globally,” said Paul Stoffels, M.D., Vice Chairman of the Executive Committee and Chief Scientific Officer at Johnson & Johnson. “We believe that our vaccine offers durable protection against COVID-19 and elicits neutralizing activity against the Delta variant. This adds to the robust body of clinical data supporting our single-shot vaccine’s ability to protect against multiple variants of concern.” “Current data for the eight months studied so far show that the single-shot Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine generates a strong neutralizing antibody response that does not wane; rather, we observe an improvement over time. In addition, we observe a persistent and particularly robust, durable cellular immune response,”
Then a couple of weeks after Pfizer was going on about boosters J&J came along and said oh yeah boosters sound good. Which is it lads? I happily got the J&J and won't be getting a booster from the current crop of vaccines, especially not the mRNA versions. I will certainly reconsider a booster when better vaccines come along and that's highly likely. Research is ongoing into other vaccine angles which show much longer term immunity and against the family of coronaviruses. EG it's been found that those who survived SARS and got a Covid vaccine had the best long term immunity against pretty much any coronavirus, even ones that may jump to humans.
Though I am surprised at one thing; we've been mass vaccinating people in the middle of active disease using a particular spike protein with "leaky" vaccines in that while they reduce transmission they certainly don't reduce it as much as we would like, which is a very strong evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate around that and we haven't seen that so far.
Kind of torn. Don’t want to lose liberties or spread this thing around to vulnerable people. On the other hand I got second jab on 27 July and wasn’t 100% again until middle of September. Still getting bouts of tinnitus which I never suffered before getting it. I don’t quite trust that they’re perfectly safe long term. Rightly or wrongly. It’s just how I’m feeling about them. I’ll see what way it’s lying when it gets closer to my time for booster.
I would but I’d like to see vaccines made available for vulnerable people in other countries first. But if offered it I will take it not least because illness and isolating is very disruptive.
Israel don't consider you fully vaccinated if it's more than 6 months since 2nd dose so won't be a surprise if we go same direction. Main motivation for me to get it would be to facilitate international travel.
It would be interesting to do a poll with ages included.
If you're a healthy 30/40 year old, the risk of hospitalisation is miniscule, then less again with 2 jabs.
If the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission, I just don't understand why I'd get it. It doesn't help myself or anyone else.
You'd only do it if in fact it was working. Obviously if it provides no protection at all, there's no point in taking it. If it provides protection for six months, then there's an obvious benefit to taking it every six months or so.
Are you going to refuse to refill your car when it turns out that one tank of petrol doesn't last for the lifetime of the car? Is lubrication useless because you have to change the oil from time to time?
A regular flu shot is every year. Other shots for other things might be every few years. Originally the vaccine for covid was to be two shots but that was for the original strain. Now it's 3 shots. I don't see the problem.
"Why would you do it?" I would do it to stay alive or stay out of hospital. I would do it, to be able to have a normal life.
First of all it’s not the government moving the goalposts, they react to a changing situation and second of all we will never go back to the old normal, just like we can’t go back to the 70s or the 80s. In a couple of years it’s likely that 19 will be nothing more than an inconvenience, but it is also likely that there will be a 20 or a 21 or even more. Welcome to the new normal. In my opinion it’s highly lightly you will catch this or a similar one in the coming years.
So the question to you since you started it, how sick do you want to get, are you comfortable with being hospitalized or dying from it? We don’t know what the long term impact of catching the virus is nor what the long term impact of the vaccine is. What we do know is that taking the vaccine is highly likely to increase your chances of being around to find out!
I want to be around to find out, so of course I’ll go for the buster.
I mean if some are cool getting vaccinated twice a year for the rest of their lives, fine, but I'm not. If something isn't working, why would you do it.
Stick it in me yesterday, first two didnt kill me despite all the bollix about titers or whatever having us all dead six months later.
I dont want to be one of those poor buggers in the ICU or hopitalised at all for that matter nevermind the whole loosing taste and smell thing.
A few seconds to get it done, why not?
Don't think it's selfish at all. It's the sensible choice imo.
We don't know if these boosters are the silver bullet. Or will it be the 4th boosters or new vaccines entirely?
At some stage, individuals need to assess their own risk and what they're comfortable complying with.
Rather selfish.
If everyone had that attitude, where would we be?
This still isn't making a lot of sense. Vaccines against other Coronavirus diseases - e.g. the flu - do need to be regularly repeated;
Well, here we are dealing with this pox nearly two years on and you still hear stuff like the above. Typed with a lack of irony regarding sense and claiming others might be fairly thick in their own way.
Influenza is not from the family of coronaviruses and the reason why yearly vaccines are rolled out is quite different. The flu viruses mutate rapidly to evade the immune system, so while you may be immune to last years batch cooked up in chicken farms and pig pens, you may not be immune to this years. Hence a tweaked vaccine is required. Coronaviruses are more stable, the problem is they're better at evading the immune system and immunity isn't retained for as long, or at least it's not with the current crop of vaccines. Hence boosters.
Atm, it'd be a no. I'd be looking to wait to see do these actually work for more than 5 months before taking it again.
A no for now. Same with husband.
We both got our two jabs and definitely not anti vax.
But we don't really know what protection it will offer or for how long.
Still have good protection from first two jabs for this winter.
Maybe going into next winter I'd consider another if they're shown to be successful.
For now, I'll wait.
I probably will but in some ways I’m reluctant. I have no issue with taking a booster (s), my issue is no matter how many boosters we take it feels like we will forever be in this cycle of opening up then / tightening restrictions. Possibly naively, I felt by the majority taking vaccines we could somewhat move on, unfortunately it’s hard to see that in this country anytime soon.
I'll get one for health reasons, if recommended.
Nothing to do with government/ restrictions/ conspiracy theories etc.
Reluctantly i'll probably have to when they decide to redefine the term 'fully vaccinated'.
I'd rather there was a conversation being had about bringing a vaccine on board that actually works though, these pfizer vaccines are a joke and anyone who thinks that they're effective looking at the winter we have ahead of us is delusional.
Not if more restrictions come in g
No surprise there then
That's a definite no from me.
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