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Covid India great news!

[Deleted User]

India’s new case numbers keep dropping. Now just over 30,000 a day. Six weeks to eight weeks ago they had numbers in the high 300,000s. This is great news. Why is it not widely reported as it was reported widely when they had very high numbers in May? And what is the reason for the new case numbers to drop so dramatically?

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jimmycrackcorm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618016#Comment_117618016

They can't:

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/no-data-available-to-suggest-a-link-between-indias-reduction-of-covid-19-cases-and-the-use-of-ivermectin-jim-hoft-gateway-pundit/

Yellow_Fern

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117621788#Comment_117621788

If ivermectin works as some propose it does, it would massively reduce transmissibility. However, I suspect that there aren't enough people on it in India for it to make such an impact on the entire country.

BBC's More or Less covered ivermectin and their conclusion was that there is little evidence that it works but that it was a massive system failure that global pharm hasn't properly checked it out by now. They couldn't explain how this system failure occurred. Personally, it's disturbing how supposedly respectable broadsheets like the Guardian are painting it as a right wing idea even now.

Yellow_Fern

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117621788#Comment_117621788

The argument now for ivermectin is that of masks. It is basically free and does not harm so even if it doesn't work (as masks often don't work) so you would take it out of abundance of caution.

L1011

There's nothing to suggest it doesn't harm, though.

[Deleted User]

Political interference in reporting?

India isn't the most robust democracy.

odyssey06

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117621974#Comment_117621974

It has a pretty long list of side effects & contra-indications for something which "does not harm".

I expect the benefits outweight the risks if you have a parasite etc

But that's not the same thing as being safe for continuous use as a prophylactic.

Yellow_Fern

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117621996#Comment_117621996

Isnt there decades of data to show it has low risks when taking at moderate doses? I don't think Brett is arguing for high doses. I know doctors prescribing it in India for covid. Quite different from very high doses

Piollaire

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117621996#Comment_117621996

Front line medics in India aren't seeing serious side effects

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/covid-19-with-fewer-side-effects-ivermectin-still-used-widely-in-india-despite-who-recommendation-against-it/article34540312.ece

[Deleted User]

I heard from an Indian friend living in India last night. It made for grim reading. I don't know where this "great news" is coming from but its not reflected in reality

ClosedAccountFuzzy

There's always 'great news' about some obscure medication that's trending on whatever forum somewhere or amongst the GOP. For some reason there are people who are totally anti vaccine / keep giving out about the very successful vaccine programme, yet seem to want to pump everyone full of veterinary medicines.

It was the same with the OMG! OMG! we need Sputnik V a few months ago, despite the fact it was not available in any quantities sufficient to meet the demand and wasn't even approved as its manufacturer hadn't even applied.

It's just whatever reason for claiming there's a coverup of some random household item / drug and a conspiracy theory about whatever it is being 'kept from us' ...

Same pattern - rinse, repeat.

[Deleted User]

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117620934#Comment_117620934

When 'BIRD' don't understand what the word 'most' means, it doesn't really instill one with confidence as to their ability to independently evaluate the efficacy of Ivermectin in other studies.

BIRD published a rebuttal that states:

'Contrary to the voices quoted in the article, there is no scientific basis to state that the removal of one study from meta-analyses would ‘reverse results.’ Worryingly, this article’s insinuation is reported as if it is fact.

According to the most recent analyses by BIRD, excluding the Elgazzar data from the cited meta-analyses by Bryant and Hill does not change the conclusions of these reviews, with the findings still clearly favouring ivermectin for both prevention and treatment.'

Unfortunately for them, Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz (who was quoted in The Guardian article) had actually published this information almost a month ago here: https://gidmk.medium.com/does-ivermectin-work-for-covid-19-1166126c364a scroll down about half-way and you'll see his re-analysis with questionable studies removed.

BIRD are an example of another group of anti-intellectual quacks falling prey to confirmation bias.

CalamariFritti

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622909#Comment_117622909

The great news are in the numbers I thought. People get freaked out by absolute numbers like 400k deaths but forget that India has a massive population. They outperform (for want of a better word) any European country by orders of magnitude in terms of cases and deaths and deaths per million and all the rest of it.

Worldometers reports 413,640 deaths from 31,105,209 reported cases. Thats 1.3%, but the dark figure of undetected cases is most likely much much higher. like factor 10 or more. In terms of their population their covid death rate is 0.03%.

Also their vaccination rate is rather low (~12%) and yet their case curve looks like this, basically a reduction by 90% over the last 2 months.

I know 'good news' is relative with regards to covid but in a long line of bad news this is kind of good, no?

[Deleted User]

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117626016#Comment_117626016

The undetected numbers are massive. Villages that are unreachable. Most of my friends in India have had Covid. Some have died. Some with serious kidney damage as a result.

We'll never know the real figures and never from the government sources.

astrofool

Invermectin wouldn't have any effect on transmission and numbers, it's great to see Indian case numbers drop but weird that the invermectin crowd have jumped into this thread to spread disinformation.

hmmm

The Indian death numbers are clearly bulls**t. It's clear also that the wave has passed as we no longer see the graphic evidence in front of the hospitals. I think it says something about the infectiousness of Delta that the wave went through the population so quickly, and tells us something also about what Europe will probably experience over the next few weeks. Get vaccinated or you will be taking your chances with Covid.

[Deleted User]

And the amount of people shocked by this should be very low.

India's Covid deaths 10 times higher than reported: study

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0720/1236142-coronavirus-global/

Graces7

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117635897#Comment_117635897

Thank you . I read four times. Clearly huge error whether deliberate or not? I have family there and the situation is not easing. Nor are the deaths.

[Deleted User]

Number of cases, hospitalisations and deaths in India still very low especially considering their vaccination rate is still very low. Interesting article here on the WHO website regarding the action taken in early May in Uttar Pradesh. They mention medicine kits being given to the people by the state, though the article does not say what was in the medicine kits.

https://www.who.int/india/news/feature-stories/detail/uttar-pradesh-going-the-last-mile-to-stop-covid-19

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058198966/covid-india-great-news

Whilst not doubting numbers have decreased , the Question really should be , "can we believe a word of what comes out of India , seriously 🤔 I'd doubt for a second anyone outside India ever believed the official numbers given, some experts have estimated 10 times the amount of cases and deaths reported officially.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117954800#Comment_117954800

If the numbers in India are estimated to be higher due to "we cannot believe them", it makes sense the numbers were always higher. Therefore cases since beginning of May have plummeted and have stayed low since.

davo2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117954835#Comment_117954835

Is that you Modi?!