[Deleted User] wrote: » What absolute arrogant tosh. “You wouldn’t know man, you weren’t there”. I hope this thread is not representative of the opinion of teachers on the parents and communities involved in the schools where you are employed. Remember when ye are long retired, us, our kids and our grandkids will still be invested in the success of the schools in our communities. Off ye go for the next two months trying to close the schools for the Autumn in spite of all the evidence everywhere, not just Ireland, that it has been safe to open schools
Independent Sage group of science advisers, notes that herd immunity requires about 85 per cent of the population to be immune, and children make up 21 per cent of the UK population. In short, the UK’s “vaccine wall” has a large, teen-shaped hole in it. That, in turn, means either ongoing transmission, with all its risks (the vaccines are great but not perfect) or continued interventions like social distancing. This capricious virus has the capacity to evolve further. Leaving older children unjabbed risks creating viral reservoirs capable of cooking up future variants, some of which might not be as benign to the young.
Deleted User wrote: » What absolute arrogant tosh. “You wouldn’t know man, you weren’t there”. I hope this thread is not representative of the opinion of teachers on the parents and communities involved in the schools where you are employed. Remember when ye are long retired, us, our kids and our grandkids will still be invested in the success of the schools in our communities. Off ye go for the next two months trying to close the schools for the Autumn in spite of all the evidence everywhere, not just Ireland, that it has been safe to open schools
Sammy2012 wrote: » I am a teacher and we did not have one case of covid all year. Not one. Actually I've never had my class as well attended since I started teaching over 13 years ago. Yes it was cold at times during the winter but we wore coats *myself and the kids* and we will do it again next winter if needed. Schools will reopen in September as planned. Why wouldn't they? Yes the numbers are rising all over Europe but hospitalisations and deaths are not. My kids have been attending GAA, dancing and swimming at various times during the year and have never come into contact with Covid. They are now saying the symptoms of the Delta variant are a sore throat, runny nose and a headache. 18 months ago this was known as a cold and I know I would not be running to my doctor to give them 60e so they could tell me that. We have to move on with life.
khalessi wrote: » Lucky for you Sammy not every school was that lucky, we had numerous classes sent home to isolate. I didnt think the common cold 18 months ago put people in the hospital but sure what would I know
khalessi wrote: » Arrogant you spend your time putting down any view that is not yours. But anyway, back to the topic at hand. 330,000 kids are isolating in UK at the moment due to Covid, there is a difference between being open and being safe. What do you think of Norma issuing Covid Dioxide monitors, I am presuming you are aware being on PA.
“We can still have an outdoor summer, holiday and look forward to schools and colleges going back safely in September when all adults are vaccinated. And we may be vaccinating teenagers at that point too.”
JTMan wrote: » Leo seems to be hinting that 12-17 year olds may be vaccinated in September. Now to take this a step further and plan secondary school reopenings around the completion of the 12-17 year old vaccination plan.
Van.Bosch wrote: » So don’t reopen until they are fully vaccinated?
SusanC10 wrote: » Interesting article below on Vaccination of kids Ages 12+ in Israel.https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/covid-did-israel-screw-up-not-vaccinating-children-ages-12-15-right-away-672203
IPS HEAD Prof. Tzachi Grossman, along with the organization’s colleagues, wrote that the risk for a child to develop a severe form of COVID if infected – which stands at 1:3,000 – outweighs that of developing a myocarditis – which according to US data for ages 12-17 is more than five times less likely at 1:16,000 (according to Israeli data for the age group 16-19, the occurrence was half as likely at 1:6,000).
lucernarian wrote: » (Side note) Can anyone tell me why middle-aged women are more likely than any other group to be vaccine-skeptical?
Lumen wrote: » https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=name+karen :pac:
Vaccination of children as young as 12 against Covid-19 could begin as early as next month. It comes as the State races to beat an expected surge in the Delta variant in the coming weeks as the return of schools in late August approaches. The HSE’s Schools Immunisation Programme is expected to be used alongside the existing Covid-19 vaccination infrastructure to begin vaccinating children as soon as clinical advice allows.
Separately, a senior Government source this weekend said if the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (Niac) “advise on kids being vaccinated the school vaccination programme will be utilised. The HSE is on top of all scenarios”.
JTMan wrote: » The vaccination of those aged 12-17 is likely to begin in August according to Independent.ie here.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » The quote that The HSE is in top of all scenarios gave me a right good chuckle. Like fcuk they are. Much like education, the top brass are a disgrace with regards to planning.
lucernarian wrote: » (Side note) Can anyone tell me why middle-aged women are more likely than any other group to be vaccine-skeptical? As for covid itself, did we fake all the people in ICU back in February? Or is it because they're old and/or frail patients so it's all fine? I do agree that schools should reopen though.
Noting children and young people accounted for 20-25 per cent of the population she said: “The more people who are vaccinated the better chance we have of achieving population-wide herd immunity”. Prof Kingston Mills, director of Trinity College’s Biomedical Sciences Institute, said vaccinating children “makes complete sense. “If you look at the numbers of cases in children . . . it is among 12- to 18-year-olds that the virus is circulating now.”
Sammy2012 wrote: » I never said I was vaccine skeptical. Im getting my second dose next Thurs. Happy to take the vaccine. I'm pro vaccine. My kids have all their vaccines and I've gotten them the Men B vaccine extra. And I never said anything about faking people in ICU. There are approx 260 beds in use today in ICU. 14/16 of these are covid related. A lot of the problems is our lack of capacity in ICU. But have they done much to increase this since last March??? They'd rather pay massive wages to many in the HSE than put any services in on the ground.
CruelSummer wrote: » This poster doesn’t represent teachers. I would go so far as to say I haven’t met one teacher sharing their views in the ‘real world setting’. Many times reading their posts over the last year, I’ve wondered why they entered the profession if all they’re going to contribute to the Covid crisis is trying to get the schools closed down. Thankfully most if not all teachers just want to get on with things and aren’t filling up the Covid schools thread with scaremongering during the holidays.
CruelSummer wrote: » Soon the U.K. Government will tell them they don’t need to isolate for Covid (Common Cold symptoms). The hospital system is quiet in the U.K. - the vaccines have worked.
khalessi wrote: » You are funny but completely incorrect but it does not suit your mindset that I have been calling for schools to be open. If you had bothered to read correctly I have fought and continue to fight for safe schools, masks, carbon monitors, hepa air purifiers/filters, school staff vaccination, social distancing, antigen testing, basically anything to keep schools open safely. There are those on here who ridicule teachers either directly by making facile comments often incorrect, or by liking the posts of those who ridicule, for wanting these things in schools. Bizarre the attitude to keeping children and school staff safe. Yet I bet they are to first to complain about the lack of indoor dining and have no problem with hospitality getting vaccinated so they can have a pint Meanwhile, the Taoiseach has twice now said teachers were correct not to reopen in January due to the high cases but have any of the people here slagging off teachers apologised, no because they cannot bear to be wrong. The Dept of Ed has said same mitigations in August when schools return, bubbles pods, handwashing, some carbon monitors but no mention of hepa air filters which is more or less same approach taken for B117. Sorry if it bursts your bubble but schools will not have changed from 3 weeks ago when they reopen, in order to keep your children safe. The UK gov being Bojo axing laws on 19 July despite having less vaccinations then Israel who are seeing a rise in cases due to Depta varient and Pfizer being only 64% efficacy against Delta variant and the people on the ground ie Doctors and Nurses are calling out saying it is too soon to drop safety mitigations. Good luck to them hope it works out.
Deleted User wrote: » Cherry picking negative data from studies once more. The Israeli study showed Pfizer 93% effective against serious illness. And the Israeli study is an outlier on studies of the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine against the delta variant. Also Israel are at 25% of the case rate we are at currently and hospital rates have gone up by 50% while cases have gone up 1500%. This in spite of there being significant vaccine hesitancy among the orthodox and Israeli Arab communities.
khalessi wrote: » I think it is sweet how you and CS follow each other around to pick on people, and yet again prove how anyone who disagrees with your posse is put down. Sending hope and optimism that you mature soon.
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