Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Unfortunately these kind of pubs (my kind) are the ones that have been closing in recent years, drinking habits are changing rapidly

I think it's economic as much as anything. People paying mortgages, or saving for one, simply can't afford to go for pints on a weeknight with regularity like men did 20 years ago. Also, less people living in council houses than 30 years ago and therefore paying less affordable rent or mortgages. Add to that, young lads aged 18 to 24/ 25 just don't seem to go out from Thursday to Sunday like my generation did, far more into fitness or just sitting in smoking joints. When I was young I didn't know a stoner who didn't love a feed of drink, nowadays plenty of younger ones are all but teetotal.

As for the weekend afternoons, fanaticism for the premier league has fallen off a cliff in this country in the last decade, driven largely (IMO) by the relative decline of the big two clubs in popularity due to their general decline in quality since then (2020 excepted), mixed with more people getting into League of Ireland.

I was watching the Utd Liverpool derby in a boozer in Crumlin two or so years ago, I'd say there was 20 people in the place. A decade plus ago you would struggle to get standing room in most locals.

giveitholly

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

I listened to the whole show, absolutely nothing was said in addition to this in his opening (usually the opening line is discussed in depth with contributors), I don't think he got it from anywhere bar the IT headline.

Yeah when I heard the headline I presumed he had some breaking news about it but couldn't listen to the rest of the show

giveitholly wrote: »

Matt Cooper having it as his headline as he opened his show this evening that it looks like indoor hospitality pushed back to August

I listened to the whole show, absolutely nothing was said in addition to this in his opening (usually the opening line is discussed in depth with contributors), I don't think he got it from anywhere bar the IT headline.

Coillte_Bhoy

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

People are welcome to it, and there are plenty of bars, in Dublin in particular, where if your personal preference is 3 bottles and a bit of food under the verendah, you can have it. Craft bars are quite popular and they're not the type of place men go to lash 13 pints and watch football.

It is the deliberate attempt by NPHET to kill why most Irish men like pubs, for a full afternoon into evening on the pints, or a feed of pints before hitting a late bar/ nightclub, that is what has become clear.

Unfortunately these kind of pubs (my kind) are the ones that have been closing in recent years, drinking habits are changing rapidly

giveitholly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The talk of August came from an Irish times headline, I've watched the interview back and at no point did Ryan reference August for indoor.

Further meetings Thursday, a plan to come from that and plan to go to cabinet next Tuesday.

The vaccine documents are being sent out before July 19th to those fully vaccinated, nothing to do with creating the passport. They said if they were to build an app for domestic use it would take months, and it probably would.

Matt Cooper having it as his headline as he opened his show this evening that it looks like indoor hospitality pushed back to August

saabsaab

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Personally i dont understand the derisory opposition to this concept. Now im an old fashioned pints at the counter man but i think some struggling pubs could adapt this model in order to survive. When away on holiday, i quite like the idea of being able to have a beer with a small bite to eat in a cafe environment. I can always go to the pub for a session if i want too. I think both could co exist easily and as i said might well be the saviour of many pubs

True enough. Some might have the space to have both a gazebo outside and a pub section inside. Bit like the old lounge and separate bar that used to be in the old days.

Maybe vaxed and non vaxed?

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Personally i dont understand the derisory opposition to this concept. Now im an old fashioned pints at the counter man but i think some struggling pubs could adapt this model in order to survive. When away on holiday, i quite like the idea of being able to have a beer with a small bite to eat in a cafe environment. I can always go to the pub for a session if i want too. I think both could co exist easily and as i said might well be the saviour of many pubs

People are welcome to it, and there are plenty of bars, in Dublin in particular, where if your personal preference is 3 bottles and a bit of food under the verendah, you can have it. Craft bars are quite popular and they're not the type of place men go to lash 13 pints and watch football.

It is the deliberate attempt by NPHET to kill why most Irish men like pubs, for a full afternoon into evening on the pints, or a feed of pints before hitting a late bar/ nightclub, that is what has become clear.

Coillte_Bhoy

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

Gotta be honest. For the first time since the full opening was cancelled last August.....i think we are nearly there.

The reaction from the last cancellation was too much for the government to weather. The right noises are being made, vaccine / recovery certs apparently ready to be mailed within the week.

NPHET royally ****ed it up. They called the government's bluff, thinking they would never implement a Covid pass system and they could potentially close the pubs beyond September.

For once, the government got pragmatic.

We just might actually be there on the 19th. It will be a glorious middle finger to them if we get it. Broken but not beaten, your Europeam cafe bar culture plan is dead and it's not coming back lads.

Personally i dont understand the derisory opposition to this concept. Now im an old fashioned pints at the counter man but i think some struggling pubs could adapt this model in order to survive. When away on holiday, i quite like the idea of being able to have a beer with a small bite to eat in a cafe environment. I can always go to the pub for a session if i want too. I think both could co exist easily and as i said might well be the saviour of many pubs

What everybody should keep in mind is this- when it comes to coherent, confident public speaking, Eamon Ryan makes Micheal Martin seem like JFK.

Absolutely nothing this man says should be treated with the slightest seriousness. It is a damning indictment of our political system that a man of his intellect could hold any job outside of a CE scheme, never mind be the third in command of the state.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:y2jGkbwMVn4J:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/indoor-dining-may-not-open-until-august-eamon-ryan-says-1.4612953+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

I can't see anything there where he actually says no opening until August for a start.

In the same article

Mr Varadkar said he could not “say for certain” that the Government would be in a position to implement plans for the re-opening of hospitality indoors by July 19th.

Implement plans I would take to mean open up with the plan they have.

I would take that to mean Leo has said that he isn't certain that we will re open on July 19th, but it certainly sounds a bit more confident than the headline indicates.

Again, Ryan isn't quoted in the article as saying what the headline says he said. And if he did say what the headline said he said....FFS lads, it's Eamon Ryan. If he introduced himself to me he would probably call himself Edmund Ryan and I'd end up correcting him.

He is staggeringly bad.

stephenjmcd

PTH2009 wrote: »

Talk now of August been the reopening date for indoor because they need more time to create the covid passport

We were all here before, August will be postponed to September to protect the reopening of the schools. Then September will be something else. Rinse and repeat

The talk of August came from an Irish times headline, I've watched the interview back and at no point did Ryan reference August for indoor.

Further meetings Thursday, a plan to come from that and plan to go to cabinet next Tuesday.

The vaccine documents are being sent out before July 19th to those fully vaccinated, nothing to do with creating the passport. They said if they were to build an app for domestic use it would take months, and it probably would.

PTH2009

Talk now of August been the reopening date for indoor because they need more time to create the covid passport

We were all here before, August will be postponed to September to protect the reopening of the schools. Then September will be something else. Rinse and repeat

Gotta be honest. For the first time since the full opening was cancelled last August.....i think we are nearly there.

The reaction from the last cancellation was too much for the government to weather. The right noises are being made, vaccine / recovery certs apparently ready to be mailed within the week.

NPHET royally ****ed it up. They called the government's bluff, thinking they would never implement a Covid pass system and they could potentially close the pubs beyond September.

For once, the government got pragmatic.

We just might actually be there on the 19th. It will be a glorious middle finger to them if we get it. Broken but not beaten, your Europeam cafe bar culture plan is dead and it's not coming back lads.

Tenzor07

xl500 wrote: »

No of course your right pubs packed full of people carry no risk and are not at all a venue ideal for the spread of Covid
That's probably not the reason they have been closed for 16 months

Pubs that opened around Christmas had table service only, screens, unsocial distance, limits on numbers in the jacks, enhanced sanitisation, masks when walking in the door etc.

Close the pubs = Drinking at home, windows closed, heating on, as many people as ya like, no one going around constantly disinfecting surfaces, and drinking as much as you can fill your belly with, loud music too so you had to raise your voice or sang...
--- Now that's how you increase the spread of the Virus..

questionmark?

xl500 wrote: »

No of course your right pubs packed full of people carry no risk and are not at all a venue ideal for the spread of Covid

That's probably not the reason they have been closed for 16 months

Thanks for confirming you have zero evidence to back up your claim so you attempt to deflect.

questionmark? wrote: »

Funnily enough they increased massively after the pubs were shut again when we hit our peak of the pandemic in Jan/Feb. It took the lockdown and vaccines to bring it under control.
You have zero evidence to show pubs caused the Spike.

No of course your right pubs packed full of people carry no risk and are not at all a venue ideal for the spread of Covid

That's probably not the reason they have been closed for 16 months

questionmark?

xl500 wrote: »

Well only that they went down when pubs were closed again

Funnily enough they increased massively after the pubs were shut again when we hit our peak of the pandemic in Jan/Feb. It took the lockdown and vaccines to bring it under control.
You have zero evidence to show pubs caused the Spike.

xl500 wrote: »

Well only that they went down when pubs were closed again

Show me the proof where hospitality was linked to the rise in numbers because you havent got it

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have you got evidence to show them 2000 cases a day were linked to hospitality

Well only that they went down when pubs were closed again

saabsaab

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Exactly, that's "NPHET Science" Pubs bad cause cases...

nothing to do with the fact that people were going to each others homes, staying indoors due to restrictions.. and winter also so people go outdoors less anyways.. but yea lets blame a well regulated hygienic pub/restaurant environment.. Only in Ireland!

To be fair the stats for Covid sources were very suspect as in only 1% cases related to travel last year! People don't tell the truth and also what they couldn't pin into a category was entered as 'Community transmission'

xl500 wrote: »

December 4th 2020 cases 200 per day

Hospitality opens

December 24th 2020 cases 2000 per day

Have you got evidence to show them 2000 cases a day were linked to hospitality

xl500 wrote: »

December 4th 2020 cases 200 per day

Hospitality opens

December 24th 2020 cases 2000 per day

Eh, no. Think you will find that was because MM did absolutely nothing, not a bit, to prevent tens of thousands of Irish expats returning from London at a time when an estimated 1 in 30 Londoners had contracted the Kent variant. Borders should have closed but nah, "mUh mEntAl hEaLth!" cried the London lot.

A decision for which Martin should be in prison, and the names of every single entitled gobshyte who came back infected should be published in the national media. They set us back 7 plus months.

Frankly I believe our Taoiseach was manipulated by figures who wanted the virus to spread. You know who they are.

The contrast in the hate campaign against the people who attended Cheltenham vs the ones who came home from London is baffling. Just your usual rich people hatred.

MOH

xl500 wrote: »

Pubs did not open in summer

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0705/1233094-buncrana-covid-latest/

This is what's happening in an area where the pubs are open now as they essentially are using north to socialise and cases are going crazy and it'not shops etc as they are open in south so reason cases are high is direct result of pubs in north being visited by people around donegal

I'm talking about summer 2020, when the same hospitality opened as opened in December 2020 which you're claiming was the cause of the increase at Christmas.

Or you were - you've now moved on to an article from last weekend which has absolutely nothing to do with pubs in this country. You seem to be once again deciding that pubs are the issue, although the only mention in the entire article is a single vague sentence claiming that "people have enjoyed indoor hospitality in Derry". Which, last time I checked, was not in the Republic.

MOH wrote: »

At Christmas. When shops are jammed, airports are fully of people coming home, people are visiting each other in droves, but in your mind the only contributing factor was pubs? Lol.

Meanwhile, during the summer hospitality opened with nothing else much changing at the same time.
July 3rd, end of first week of being open. 7-day average was 12
July 24, three weeks later. 7-day average was ...... 16

And that's despite the fact that the number of tests rose 250% over the same period.

Pubs did not open in summer

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0705/1233094-buncrana-covid-latest/

This is what's happening in an area where the pubs are open now as they essentially are using north to socialise and cases are going crazy and it'not shops etc as they are open in south so reason cases are high is direct result of pubs in north being visited by people around donegal

Tenzor07

MOH wrote: »

At Christmas. When shops are jammed, airports are fully of people coming home, people are visiting each other in droves, but in your mind the only contributing factor was pubs? Lol..

Exactly, that's "NPHET Science" Pubs bad cause cases...

nothing to do with the fact that people were going to each others homes, staying indoors due to restrictions.. and winter also so people go outdoors less anyways.. but yea lets blame a well regulated hygienic pub/restaurant environment.. Only in Ireland!

MOH

xl500 wrote: »

December 4th 2020 cases 200 per day

Hospitality opens

December 24th 2020 cases 2000 per day

At Christmas. When shops are jammed, airports are fully of people coming home, people are visiting each other in droves, but in your mind the only contributing factor was pubs? Lol.

Meanwhile, during the summer hospitality opened with nothing else much changing at the same time.
July 3rd, end of first week of being open. 7-day average was 12
July 24, three weeks later. 7-day average was ...... 16

And that's despite the fact that the number of tests rose 250% over the same period.

Deleted User wrote: »

I cant remember where i seen numbers before but they were fairly low in the hospitality trade

December 4th 2020 cases 200 per day

Hospitality opens

December 24th 2020 cases 2000 per day

dodzy

Neddyusa wrote: »

Certainly not free, I see from another thread here, we'll soon have spent half a billion euros on them so far (over a hundred euros for every man, woman and child)

You know well that’s not what was meant in the original question.

saabsaab wrote: »

Not saying you are wrong but did we have figures on that?

I cant remember where i seen numbers before but they were fairly low in the hospitality trade

saabsaab

Deleted User wrote: »

Thats the US. When the bars were open here were they the cause for rise in numbers. No they werent

Not saying you are wrong but did we have figures on that?