The Delta variant

snowcat wrote: »

We dont know yet as we are waiting on data but it cant be much lower than the chance of dying in the wild. And it is not looking good with the proven fatalities in the 20-40 age group from the Vaccine

We don’t know that the vaccine reduces transmission?

tom1ie wrote: »

I’ve never seen anything saying we have immunity for 2 years (which would be fantastic news). Has this been publicised?

Yes. Didn't say 2 , a few .

snowcat wrote: »

We dont know yet as we are waiting on data but it cant be much lower than the chance of dying in the wild. And it is not looking good with the proven fatalities in the 20-40 age group from the Vaccine

What proven fatalities in the 20-40 age group from taking the vaccine?

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes. Didn't say 2 , a few .

You said a couple, but doesn’t matter.

tom1ie wrote: »

Well that is good but I suppose the problem being wild infections = hospitalisations, which I though was no longer a thing until I ventured back into this thread!!

tom1ie ..will you give me a break please ?
Of course not proposing this type of immunity but many younger people would have been asymptomatic or others who have had it and don't want to get the vaccine , would at least have some immunity for a while , maybe longer , who knows .

tom1ie wrote: »

? Are you saying kids will die directly from taking the vaccines?

Again with the questions ...but asking some people you will get some strange replies ...your choice !

Lumen wrote: »

How many proven vaccine fatalities have there been in the 20-40 age group?

With source please.

Loads as most media have reported. Blood clots myocarditis etc. Most not reported, we should have a log of every person that dies after receiving a vaccine. Similiar to the Covid log. Died after getting a vaccine not because of the vaccine.

tom1ie wrote: »

How do you know this?
Has there been studies on vaccinating under 12s?

Haha bang on with that question though tom1ie !

Goldengirl wrote: »

Again with the questions ...but asking some people you will get some strange replies ...your choice !

It’s a public forum for gods sake.
Relax.
Question wasn’t even addressed to you.

Lumen

snowcat wrote: »

Loads as most media have reported. Blood clots myocarditis etc. Most not reported, we should have a log of every person that dies after receiving a vaccine. Similiar to the Covid log. Died after getting a vaccine not because of the vaccine.

Come on, you're an engineer. You surely have actual data to back up your claim, right?

Beasty

snowcat wrote: »

Loads as most media have reported. Blood clots myocarditis etc. Most not reported, we should have a log of every person that dies after receiving a vaccine. Similiar to the Covid log. Died after getting a vaccine not because of the vaccine.

Provide a reputable source or do not post in this thread again

tom1ie wrote: »

It’s a public forum for gods sake.
Relax.
Question wasn’t even addressed to you.

Good post , no question marks!

Goldengirl wrote: »

Good post , no question marks!

Lol! Good one actually?

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/pdf

Beasty wrote: »

Provide a reputable source or do not post in this thread again

Lumen

snowcat wrote: »

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/pdf

https://twitter.com/udarnik/status/1408563479758446596?s=19

https://retractionwatch.com/2021/06/29/paper-claiming-two-deaths-from-covid-19-vaccination-for-every-three-prevented-cases-earns-expression-of-concern/

In any case it doesn't contain the data you claim.

TheRiverman

snowcat wrote: »

Loads as most media have reported. Blood clots myocarditis etc. Most not reported, we should have a log of every person that dies after receiving a vaccine. Similiar to the Covid log. Died after getting a vaccine not because of the vaccine.

Could we have authentic sources with detailed statistics to support your post, it is ridiculous otherwise.

Lumen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/udarnik/status/1408563479758446596?s=19

https://retractionwatch.com/2021/06/29/paper-claiming-two-deaths-from-covid-19-vaccination-for-every-three-prevented-cases-earns-expression-of-concern/

In any case it doesn't contain the data you claim.

I could be wrong here but i dont think there is a virologist or immunologist on Nphet either.

Lumen

snowcat wrote: »

I could be wrong here but i dont think there is a virologist or immunologist on Nphet either.

Amazingly, you are wrong again. :pac:

Cillian de Gascun is a consultant virologist.

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1410673460624465920?s=21

Lumen wrote: »

Amazingly, you are wrong again. :pac:

Cillian de Gascun is a consultant virologist.

Oh sorry I didnt get a chance to go through all 30 of their CV's. Its good to see the main man is an expert in the field.

Micky 32

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snowcat wrote: »

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/pdf

https://www.universityaffairs.ca/features/feature-article/beware-academics-getting-reeled-scam-journals/

So I guess we will be locked down forever, next we will need to ban driving altogether as that kills people. Then we can close down all society for fear of risks.

Better buy in the cotton wool so Tony can wrap us all up tight.

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FileNotFound wrote: »

So I guess we will be locked down forever, next we will need to ban driving altogether as that kills people. Then we can close down all society for fear of risks.

Better buy in the cotton wool so Tony can wrap us all up tight.

Why discredit yourself with such extreme sensationalist nonsense.

Danzy

FileNotFound wrote: »

So I guess we will be locked down forever, next we will need to ban driving altogether as that kills people. Then we can close down all society for fear of risks.

Better buy in the cotton wool so Tony can wrap us all up tight.

Your panties are bunching up.

Widdensushi

FileNotFound wrote: »

So I guess we will be locked down forever, next we will need to ban driving altogether as that kills people. Then we can close down all society for fear of risks.

Better buy in the cotton wool so Tony can wrap us all up tight.

Unfortunately you are very close to the truth

GooglePlus wrote: »

Why discredit yourself with such extreme sensationalist nonsense.

Well as Philip Nolan tweeted earlier vaccine efficacy is only a certain percentage meaning we will always have at risk in our population and covid will be indemic so.....

I honestly expected we would continue to open unless a clear rise in hospital cases was seen.

But that is no longer the aim. Can you tell me at what point will the risk be acceptable? Will we be onto booster shots before we get to that point.

Fully accept my comment is sensationalist but can you give me an answer - a real answer for when this will end now?

Danzy wrote: »

Your panties are bunching up.

So when will it end, covid is here to stay, vaccines are not 100% and delta is infecting vaccinated people. So cases will continue.

So as we will always have people at risk, when's the magic line where we accept the risk?

Its a serious question.

They are taking away the cheap drink as we can't be trusted. So on and so on. We seem to be going though a bit of a nanny state moment. All in the name of public health.

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FileNotFound wrote: »

So when will it end, covid is here to stay, vaccines are not 100% and delta is infecting vaccinated people. So cases will continue.

So as we will always have people at risk, when's the magic line where we accept the risk?

Its a serious question.

Of course it's going to end, it becoming endemic is a good thing. When we get more vaccinated, it'll be a non issue. At the minute all I can't do is have a pint inside but for the most part were in a much better position than earlier in the year.