Tenzor07 wrote: » T We were told to lockdown to allow the health service to increase capacity and staff numbers.... that hasn't happened either.
Tenzor07 wrote: » The last time there wasn't anyone vaccinated and it was winter... If you look at the history of the Health Service in Ireland it's ALWAYS close to collapse! We were told to lockdown to allow the health service to increase capacity and staff numbers.... that hasn't happened either. Meanwhile they keep a large sector of the Irish economy closed based on some very dodgy predictions/modelling.
xl500 wrote: » https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/video-shows-hundreds-gathering-dublin-24420486?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar Responsible publicians again
bladespin wrote: » What happened the 'English' variant that was going to wipe us all out???
xl500 wrote: » I wasnt actually arguing I was just saying that NEPHET advised before Christmas not to open up the Pubs Politicans ignored that advise and we are where we are Cases went up immediatly I remember when there were 500 Cases only 12 were the English Variant so People now try to say oh we didnt see it coming well he did because he advised not to open up and that was before the english varianthttps://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-57638936
xl500 wrote: » Well the last time the Politicans ignored his advise a lot of people died and the Health system came close to collapse
xl500 wrote: » I wasnt actually arguing I was just saying that NEPHET advised before Christmas not to open up the Pubs Politicans ignored that advise and we are where we are
MOR316 wrote: » Love how the likes of yourself always leave out house visits and people being allowed to come home from England, during late November and December and bringing that English variant with them, when talking about Christmas. You also leave out Tony Holohan himself saying that NPHET didn't even see it coming... But yeah, whatever suits your argument I guess.
Thinkingaboutit wrote: » Honestly I think Ireland is governed by the 'Irish science' of NPHET. Holohan should have resigned in 2018 over smear testing, but even without him they seem to assume positions on testing, formulate models and projections which no reasonable person could endorse, which includes scientific opinion outside this tiny isle. That Ireland is the only place in Europe where you cannot drink at the bar should mean something to those who think NPHET are gods of science, when they are essentially spoofers. I really hope this means the end of FFail, a party which has done so much harm (not that the rest are much better0.
dominatinMC wrote: » Quite fond of the sweeping generalisation, aren't we? This view is a microcosm of society at present, which basically translates as "I've seen some people/sectors/industries breaking rules, so all people/sectors/industries should suffer as a result".
MOH wrote: » Rubbish. The vast majority of outdoor pubs in the two cities I've been in over the last week are very much following the rules. There's a handful of places I've passed regularly over the past year that have been openly flouting them regularly, but completely ignored by the Gardai. The only place I've heard of actually being sanctioned is Berlin. The solution to a small minority of places flouting rules isn't to close everything, it's proper enforcement of those rules and closing those places. The majority of people around me on the last train I was on were totally ignoring the mask rule. There was zero enforcement from Irish Rail. Let's shut down the trains immediately. And the buses, because we should apply sweeping generalisations and punish all forms of public transport. :rolleyes:
xl500 wrote: » If the publicians behaved responsibly then we could probably be open much earlier Look around you the ones that are open now "outdoor" a lot of them are flouting the rules I see everywhere no distance between tables Outdoor areas completely Enclosed no ventilation etc etc People are comparing us to other European Countries which are open the difference is there are rules regarding face masks numbers etc and they are enforced, here is a joke and look at Christmas we all know pubs were really taking the piss You see the Vitners reps on TV you would think butter wouldn’t melt but the reality on the ground is very different Just go into Galway City Dublin City or any Town for that matter and see how the rules at the moment are being universally ignored by the so called responsible publicans All this is also being observed by NEPHET and the Politicians Now if you agree with the rules or not is another question but at the moment they are the rules The only way way we can open up is with strictly enforced rules but that won’t happen in Ireland so we all suffer because of some
xl500 wrote: » Everyone knows, thats the problem and they know if they open indoor pubs none of the rules will be followed as is happening at the moment with outdoor The cases and Deaths are Low because we Locked Down Look at Christmas the numbers were terrible and the Health system came close to failure
PommieBast wrote: » I will be gobsmacked if Ireland actually manages to start issuing them within36 hours.
finbarrk wrote: » I think its the customers that are flouting the rules mostly.
robbiezero wrote: » No wonder cases and hospitalizations and deaths are through the roof. Oh wait.... Nphet didnt even know people were drinking in the city last month so i doubt they have a clue whats going on in the hospitality industry (or in general)
