Piollaire wrote: » What kind of idiot would ask a GP about veterinary products. I'm sure there are GPs who would prescribe Ivermectin if they were allowed as is the case in the US.
DaSilva wrote: » I think Ivermectin is an authorized medicine in Ireland and doctors can prescribe off-label here. Not sure you will find a doctor who gets his scientific advice from evolutionary biologist youtubers though, but who knows
Ballynally wrote: » And hey, feel free to call me a lunatic any day..
Ballynally wrote: » To get back to the horse paste: i can read the ingredients.
Ballynally wrote: » Time for the EU (and Ireland) to follow suit. Here's a link to Joe Rogan's podcast w Bret Weinstein and dr.Kory.
astrofool wrote: » e) It is interesting that the Invermectin thread is now heading down the conspiracy theory route for whatever reason
astrofool wrote: » h) No one has come back and commented on the bmj paper to show evidence to the contrary, most seem to be ignoring it
ligind wrote: » The folks I know who are now pro ivermectin - don't agree with lockdowns - didn't believe the hospitals were under pressure - think the PCR test a has 90%plus false positive rate - initially were on the hydroxy chloroquine bandwagon - think the vaccines are highly dangerous
Piollaire wrote: » I'm none of the above but I took Ivermectin until I got vaccinated.
snnowwy wrote: » How'd you manage that? How many legs do you have?
Piollaire wrote: » Who listens to youtubers - it's the body of science they present that matters. And where did you pull that off-label nugget from?
DaSilva wrote: » Not sure you will find a doctor who gets his scientific advice from evolutionary biologist youtubers though, but who knows
snnowwy wrote: » Still interested to know what I might expect when I ask my doc.
astrofool wrote: » There's a good paper here in the British Medical Journal that goes into detail on the studies and the problems with those studies:https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678
moonage wrote: » There's a debate between the author of that BMJ paper and Dr Pierre Kory, one of the leading proponents of ivermectin. The BMJ guy has very weak arguments and Dr Kory runs rings around him:
lucernarian wrote: » There are those who equate Ivermectin advocacy with vaccine denialists, but both they and the ones who actually are guilty of this are lacking a lot of perspective on science, evidence and empiricism. I think it's fair to say at this point that ivermectin deserves further study to get high quality data on its efficacy, but it's not a foregone conclusion that it clearly works.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » the big question remains why this drug, whose safety cannot be questioned, is not available off label to patients in Ireland for the prevention and treatment of Covid-19, as determined by the patient's doctor.
DaSilva wrote: » What makes you think it is not available off label? I'm guessing its the narrative that it is a super secret cure being suppressed by big pharma?
lucernarian wrote: » There are those who equate Ivermectin advocacy with vaccine denialists, but both they and the ones who actually are guilty of this are lacking a lot of perspective on science, evidence and empiricism.
snnowwy wrote: » - initially were on the hydroxy chloroquine bandwagon I completely ignored it. Fell for the "Orange man bad" zeitgeist and let others make up my mind for me. I should have dealt with that more objectively.
lucernarian wrote: » I think it's fair to say at this point that ivermectin deserves further study to get high quality data on its efficacy, but it's not a foregone conclusion that it clearly works.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » On the basis that it is probably beneficial and in the middle of a pandemic where emergency approval for several new vaccines has been granted, the big question remains why this drug, whose safety cannot be questioned, is not available off label to patients in Ireland for the prevention and treatment of Covid-19, as determined by the patient's doctor.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » Nothing to do with your very weird guess. Have you information to show it is available? Have you got it? How would I get it if I wanted it as a preventative medicine? As far as I am aware,if a doctor believes it is appropriate to prescribe it and is happy to do, and a pharmacist is happy to dispense it, it may be possible to source an ivermectin product that is licensed in another country How many doctors in ROI will write a prescription for this use? How many pharmacists will dispense it for this purpose? By your question I guess you have this information.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » That is my present view, but am very willing to reconsider it in light of good/linked information.
snnowwy wrote: » Anyone have experience of long covid? I've heard the most common symptom is being dismissed by your doctor. Any truth to that? If not, I'd be interested in what kind of treatment is standard of care in Ireland at present.
moonage wrote: » Maybe print this off and see what your GP has to say about it.
moonage wrote: » I recently got a very small horse and got some ivermectin paste for him
Opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal yesterday is in favour of using Ivermectin as a treatment and prophylaxis for Covid. Unfortunately there is a pay wall. Though only €2 for the first two months and you can cancel at anytime.
Just for complete disclosure, one author is an economist and the other an engineer and consultant for pharma. The easiest way to sway the FDA and other regulatory bodies is to complete a trial that people don't have lots of questions about and that shows it lives up to all these claims. Oxford are doing one so it might be better to see how that pans out.
Doctors cannot prescribe something thats not available. Look at the hpra website. Do a search for ivermectin under the medicines section, medicine section is for humans.
The only authorisation is for two creams. That is what is available as ivermectin for human use in Ireland. Doctors cannot prescribe this for off-label use as it's a cream that is used on the skin. This cannot be ingested.
Yes one author was a senior health economist with President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers. Why attack the authors? Attack the content of their opinion piece. The authors claim there is already sufficient evidence to give ivermectin emergency use autorisation.
And yet they are not people who decide if there is enough evidence and telling the FDA what to do will not advance that cause anyway. It's not as if they are the first to make claims like this. I genuinely don't understand the strategies of those pushing Ivermectin over the last 15 months. If they are not writing opinions, they are showing up on TV, making YouTube videos telling people how right they are or shouting that they have been muzzled and that it's all one big conspiracy.
A much better approach would have been to produce enough data that people will not question, a large clinical trial. That is coming from Oxford. TBH, unless that reveals something spectacular you really can't see it being adopted as a widespread general treatment. Research is already moving rapidly onto specific COVID treatments and that is where regulators are looking.
The Irish Times reported that Dr Pat Morrissey in Limerick is prescribing Ivermectin. He is likely to be using the pre authorisation mechanism provided by the HPRA.
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