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Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

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Officer Derek Chavin goes on trial today charged with the homicide of George Floyd, if found guilty he is facing up to 40 years in prison.

The prosecution is largely based on the 9 minute long video of Chauvin pressing his knee into Floyds neck. The defence is going to claim that Chavin did nothing outside of his police training and that Floyds death came about because of drugs in his system and an underlying heart condition. The official autopsy found that his death was a homicide.

Witnesses include a then 17 year old girl who filmed the video on her phone and a police dispatcher who watched events unfold live on CCTV and alerted her supervisor about his treatment.

Its unknown if Chavin himself will take the stand. The trial will also open up answers about the previous relationship between Floyd and Chavin- they both worked as security together for a bar in Minnesota. The trial itself is expected to last 4-5 weeks. The other three police officers involved in the incident will face trial themselves in August.

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BattleCorp

Billy Mays wrote: »

You don't always need to get the hump for things to go south with American police. We've all seen plenty of videos where people are complying with the police and it's the cops who escelate the situation by acting like complete dickhe@ds

Yep, I'm not naive enough to say that there aren't any bad apples in the police force. But they aren't all bad and the vast majority of interactions don't end up like that.

My point still stands though. If you obey the law and don't give the police a reason to kick your ass, then you are very unlikely to be at the receiving end of police violence.

And if a cop assaults a member of the public for no reason, then they should face the full rigours of the law. I'm thinking particularly of the video clip where there is a black dude standing with his hands up and a cop jumps and kicks him in the back for no reason. The first seconds of this clip shows a cop assaulting someone. I'd be fine with a cop facing charges for something like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttMV19RPHAM

Foxtrol

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they don't even need to be far right nationalists. America is an institutionally racist country. they didnt even let them sit at the front of public buses until just before I was born. that cultural memory doesn't disappear overnight.

Nor does the economic impact.

Posters like to post the crime rates by the black community but across the world poor communities have higher crime rates. This poverty can be directly connected to America's racist history, some very recent.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll leave this thread of responses here.

I didn't ignore. I questioned your posts. I didn't deflect.

I'll ignore you from now on though

good man.

[Deleted User]

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they don't even need to be far right nationalists. America is an institutionally racist country. they didnt even let them sit at the front of public buses until just before I was born. that cultural memory doesn't disappear overnight.

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you point me to a country which you think is more progressive? A country that didn't have questionable rules or laws in place?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why? would that make the US any less institutionally racist?

Deleted User wrote: »

Not at all. I'm just wondering if you had an example of a country which didn't have a history of racism/questionable laws or a country which was more progressive.

Because if you didn't, it seems a little silly to make that declaration as if it was unique to America.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Good job on ignoring the point in an attempt to deflect. I expect nothing less from you.

I'll leave this thread of responses here.

I didn't ignore. I questioned your posts. I didn't deflect.

I'll ignore you from now on though

Billy Mays

BattleCorp wrote: »

And I agree with you too. But if that 'getting the hump' ends up with you getting confrontational with the cops, you are unlikely to be the winner in that situation.

You don't always need to get the hump for things to go south with American police. We've all seen plenty of videos where people are complying with the police and it's the cops who escelate the situation by acting like complete dickhe@ds

Foxtrol

Deleted User wrote: »

Again, you are purposely misrepresenting what I said.

If you act like a thug, you are a thug, regardless of what banner you are under.

If you align yourself with a disreputable organisation, you are disreputable.

Simple as that.

It's very possible to attend an anti racism rally and not be a thug.

It's very possible to attend a pro Catholic protest and not be a thug.

If you go to one and go to one under the banner of ira or BLM, then you're a tit.

But you are insistent on framing it that I am calling everyone a thug. It's absolutely clear I am not. You've also called me narrow minded and pathetic.

I'm going to not engage with you anymore because you are purposely trying to inflame the conversation and I'm not willing to rise to your bait.

But to bookmark the point, racism is never acceptable, but it's absolutely ok to oppose people's methods of getting their point across. (That includes the right of people like you opposing the boo)

Talk about me trying to inflame the conversation when you call 15 - 26 million people that were involved in BLM protests 'racist thugs' and then conflate BLM to the IRA - the latter an organisation that murdered close to two thousand people, many civilians.

You know what you're doing calling a group of black people 'thugs', it is a well known dog whistle. The continued willful ignorance between the BLM organisation and the BLM movement is no excuse for it.

For someone who claims to be against racism, the rage you have against the wider BLM movement and anything tangentially related to it is so mystifying that I struggle to believe the former.

Mic 1972

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Good job on ignoring the point in an attempt to deflect. I expect nothing less from you.

honestly you have a lot to answer yourself with posts like these, considering that white America voted for Obama twice. That's a long way from when black people couldn't sit on the bus

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they don't even need to be far right nationalists. America is an institutionally racist country. they didnt even let them sit at the front of public buses until just before I was born. that cultural memory doesn't disappear overnight.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Not at all. I'm just wondering if you had an example of a country which didn't have a history of racism/questionable laws or a country which was more progressive.

Because if you didn't, it seems a little silly to make that declaration as if it was unique to America.

Good job on ignoring the point in an attempt to deflect. I expect nothing less from you.

Mic 1972

Billy Mays wrote: »

If they've a valid reason to stop you they are

If they're stopping you cos you've a nice car and are black I disagree

if they stop you and you are assuming they do because of the above reasons than you have a bias towards the cops

[Deleted User]

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why? would that make the US any less institutionally racist?

Not at all. I'm just wondering if you had an example of a country which didn't have a history of racism/questionable laws or a country which was more progressive.

Because if you didn't, it seems a little silly to make that declaration as if it was unique to America.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you point me to a country which you think is more progressive? A country that didn't have questionable rules or laws in place?

why? would that make the US any less institutionally racist?

Billy Mays

Mic 1972 wrote: »

it's relevant to the fact that you can be stopped by the cops and it's ok.
the cops are doing their job, they are not your enemy

If they've a valid reason to stop you they are

If they're stopping you cos you've a nice car and are black I disagree

Mic 1972

Deleted User wrote: »

He gave an example of racial profiling and unfair targeting by the police(well documented) but you think it only matters if they're shot? You don't think that behaviour by the police is negative?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/inside-100-million-police-traffic-stops-new-evidence-racial-bias-n980556

I dont believe the cops are perfect, but i know i can be better than them if I get stopped and i want to go home safe

[Deleted User]

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they don't even need to be far right nationalists. America is an institutionally racist country. they didnt even let them sit at the front of public buses until just before I was born. that cultural memory doesn't disappear overnight.

Can you point me to a country which you think is more progressive? A country that didn't have questionable rules or laws in place?

BattleCorp

Billy Mays wrote: »

I understand your point

I also understand why people would get the hump with the cops if they're continuously being pulled over due to the colour of their skin

And I agree with you too. But if that 'getting the hump' ends up with you getting confrontational with the cops, you are unlikely to be the winner in that situation.

Mic 1972

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they don't even need to be far right nationalists. America is an institutionally racist country. they didnt even let them sit at the front of public buses until just before I was born. that cultural memory doesn't disappear overnight.

more conspiratorial stuff, what is going on with you guys?
have some faith in humanity

[Deleted User]

Mic 1972 wrote: »

did your friend get shot by the police?

He gave an example of racial profiling and unfair targeting by the police(well documented) but you think it only matters if they're shot? You don't think that behaviour by the police is negative?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/inside-100-million-police-traffic-stops-new-evidence-racial-bias-n980556

Billy Mays

BattleCorp wrote: »

My point though is that if you behave yourself appropriately, those traffic stops and other police interactions won't end up with you at the receiving end of police violence in about 99.999% of occasions.

It's quite simple in my mind. If George Floyd had obeyed the police officers and gotten into the car peacefully, Floyd wouldn't have died at the knee of Chauvin that day.

If Rayshard Brooks had obeyed the police officers and allowed himself to be arrested, he wouldn't have died at the hands of the police that day.

If Jacob Blake had obeyed the police officers and allowed himself to be arrested, he wouldn't be in a wheelchair today.

If you obey the law or at the very least obey the police when you are stopped or arrested, then that gives them very little reason to get violent with you.

I understand your point

I also understand why people would get the hump with the cops if they're continuously being pulled over due to the colour of their skin

Mic 1972

Billy Mays wrote: »

The question is irrelevant to what I was talking about

it's relevant to the fact that you can be stopped by the cops and it's ok.
the cops are doing their job, they are not your enemy

[Deleted User]

iamstop wrote: »

If you believe that people from these far right nationalist groups don't purposely infiltrate the police specifically to abuse their power and find excuses to mess with and in some cases kill black people then you are sadly very naive.

Oooooooooh...........

I'll leave you be so.

BattleCorp

Billy Mays wrote: »

I'm not taliknig about being shot. The poster Mic asked for evidence of people being pulled over because they is black. I know plenty of people who were regularly pulled over because they were driving a nice car while also being black

My point though is that if you behave yourself appropriately, those traffic stops and other police interactions won't end up with you at the receiving end of police violence in about 99.999% of occasions.

It's quite simple in my mind. If George Floyd had obeyed the police officers and gotten into the car peacefully, Floyd wouldn't have died at the knee of Chauvin that day.

If Rayshard Brooks had obeyed the police officers and allowed himself to be arrested, he wouldn't have died at the hands of the police that day.

If Jacob Blake had obeyed the police officers and allowed himself to be arrested, he wouldn't be in a wheelchair today.

If you obey the law or at the very least obey the police when you are stopped or arrested, then that gives them very little reason to get violent with you.

ohnonotgmail

iamstop wrote: »

If you believe that people from these far right nationalist groups don't purposely infiltrate the police specifically to abuse their power and find excuses to mess with and in some cases kill black people then you are sadly very naive.

they don't even need to be far right nationalists. America is an institutionally racist country. they didnt even let them sit at the front of public buses until just before I was born. that cultural memory doesn't disappear overnight.

Billy Mays

Mic 1972 wrote: »

did you just avoid to answer the same question a second time?

The question is irrelevant to what I was talking about

Mic 1972

Billy Mays wrote: »

Did you just move the goalposts?

did you just avoid to answer the same question a second time?

Mic 1972

iamstop wrote: »

If you believe that people from these far right nationalist groups don't purposely infiltrate the police specifically to abuse their power and find excuses to mess with and in some cases kill black people then you are sadly very naive.

LOL, I though i was the one into conspiracies here!

Billy Mays

Mic 1972 wrote: »

did your friend get shot by the police?

Did you just move the goalposts?

Mic 1972

Billy Mays wrote: »

I'm not taliknig about being shot. The poster Mic asked for evidence of people being pulled over because they is black. I know plenty of people who were regularly pulled over because they were driving a nice car while also being black

did your friend get shot by the police?

iamstop

Mic 1972 wrote: »

the cops can pull people whenever they see fit, as an honest citizen you have nothing to worry about
...until you decide to reach for your pocket or do something stupid

If you believe that people from these far right nationalist groups don't purposely infiltrate the police specifically to abuse their power and find excuses to mess with and in some cases kill black people then you are sadly very naive.

Billy Mays

BattleCorp wrote: »

How many of those black people you worked with for many years in the States were shot by the police? I'd guess very few if any of them because they probably followed the police officer's instructions and ended up going home alive.

I'm not taliknig about being shot. The poster Mic asked for evidence of people being pulled over because they is black. I know plenty of people who were regularly pulled over because they were driving a nice car while also being black

Penn

Mic 1972 wrote: »

You have been answered many times over already, not just by me.
The stats are very clear as to who are more likely to be looking for trouble.
go looking for trouble, and you will find it

Mic 1972 wrote: »

The old argument of blacks being killed by the cops more frequently than whites has been debunked countless times

You can keep spinning your wheels all you like. You posted to say that black people aren't killed more than white people. You posted a graph showing that more white people are killed each year by police than black people. When it was then pointed out to you that by proportion of population, black people are almost 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police, you've done nothing but deflect since.

Your argument and style of posting is completely dishonest. You cannot admit you were wrong.