sabat wrote: » Mod: Time for a holiday from the forum given your recent contributions
Porklife wrote: » Out of interest, may I ask what the issue is with Antares post? To me it reas as a reasonable opinion, just curious why she got asked to no longer post here
sligeach wrote: » Or if you read the WHO:https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-(covid-19)-vaccines They can't say if the vaccine will offer long-term "protection". So how can anyone say it won't have long-term detrimental affects? They can't. Only time will tell. A whole load of people talking about ongoing research, meanwhile, they're asking people to carry on getting vaccinated. They're learning as they go along, and we're like guinea pigs. I won't be part of that, thanks.
Deleted User wrote: » It's Sabat that was banned, not Antares
astrofool wrote: » But you're happy to catch a virus that causes severe disease, up to and including death, where the long term effects are unknown? vs. taking a vaccine using proven technology that's been given to hundreds of millions of people. I mean, you can do the mental gymnastics whatever way you want, your decision is not a rational one and that's your choice not to be rational.
astrofool wrote: » don't be stupid and get vaccinated.
sligeach wrote: » Ya...! Sure thing, I'm going to listen to an insulting randomer on the internet. You have your opinion, I have mine. You, however, state yours as fact. I'm not telling anyone not to get vaccinated, this is my personal choice. My decision is rational in my opinion, we'll see if I'm around in a year or few. We'll see if Covid is a distant memory, like many flus before it. I, hopefully, won't be worrying about the long-term affects of a vaccine that was rushed to market, by companies, every one of which was desperate to get their product on the market first. And most of the people who have been infected severely, and/or died, have been old or have an underlying health condition(s). We can see the numbers in hospital are plummeting because a good portion of those who need the vaccine have gotten it, or at least their first dose. For all I know, I could have had Covid already and been asymptomatic.
runawaybishop wrote: » Basically it comes down to the fact that you value your opinion over medical scientists. You feel you know more than them. Why is that?
rusty cole wrote: » Because loads of them have proven to be charlatans with good press!!
sligeach wrote: » Show me where I said that? I'm likely to only be harming myself, if at all. I'll take that "chance". Everyone who has taken and will take the vaccine will see down the road what their chance brings them.
John_Rambo wrote: » Lots of Me, Mine, My, I'm & I in this post. It's like this "flu" is all about you.
rusty cole wrote: » Rationality is ignored in the presence of fear, anger and affection. If the poster is fearful, it's up to people to reassure them, not discriminate and reduce their right to free movement. RTE "40 of people will never know they have Covid 19". RTE 80% of people will have mild to moderate disease without hospitilsations. Fact 92% at least of deaths were over 65 and as much as 95 of those deaths were people with underlined issues which will have contributed to or caused their deaths. I agree the benefits outweigh the risks but you'll get you herd immunity if martin is to be believed "Ireland has the highest uptake in Europe"...remember this is from a party who faked their identity to politically manipulate an electorate.. It's not the Vaccine so much, its the salesman that some don't trust!
astrofool wrote: » Completely, however this poster is going the thinly veiled anti-vax route of posting questions or ignoring data that doesn't suit their agenda, witness them getting angry as their reasoning falls apart almost immediately, the posts are for others to realise how ridiculous people like this are. I mean does someone rational really think they're on the clever side when hundreds of millions and soon billions of people have been vaccinated before them, with data showing the effectiveness and safety of the vaccines vs. a disease that has killed people of all ages.
daydorunrun wrote: » In fairness you quote several posts asking 'Can you transmit it?' which seemed to suggest only unvaccinated people can transmit it.
tom1ie wrote: » Wrong. You can pass the virus on. If your vaccinated the chances of passing it on is lowered. I mean this isn't that hard to understand!!
rusty cole wrote: » Rationality is ignored in the presence of fear, anger and affection.
Supercell wrote: » The point is, if you can still pass it on when fully vaccinated (and the jury is still out on that, but the evidance is increasinly looking like it is very low probability) then we enter the realms of acceptable risk. People do it everytime they drive, insurance actuarys use it to calculate premiums, engineers do it when designing bridges and so on. Even if it is transmissable after vaccination, the number may be very small indeed, maybe akin to the possibility of transmitting it outdoors and in the long run we may just have to accept that and get on with normal life.
Wibbs wrote: » This. The pandemic has illustrated this from the start. Quite naturally too. We didn't know what we were dealing with and terrible images of what was happening in places like Italy would rattle anyone's cages. Remember the fears being ramped up even in this forum in the early days. The "projections" types having a field day of potential woes to come, the doctor posting here blasting their groceries with UV lamps, hell I was out with the bleach on mine myself and bogroll panic in the wider world and so forth. We were right to be fearful and cautious and lockdowns, masks, social distancing and latterly vaccines were the right road to go down and were necessary to contain things. However over a year into this we know more about the virus and its nature and its results and the plain fact is that Covid 19 is a mild illness in the vast majority of those infected. Thankfully. Deaths are always a tragedy to those who die and their loved ones and we should always be mindful of that, however going by the wikipedia page on the numbers from this in Ireland, for those under 65 who died(408) out of those who tested positive for Covid19(265,754) the risk of death comes out at 0.15%. Now that's against a figure of positive tests, the figure who contracted this virus but who were never tested is up for grabs but it's going to be significantly higher, which reduces that risk further. It's a tiny figure. If we look at all deaths(4,949) out of those tested positive we get a figure of 1.8%. Again the numbers not tested who were positive will reduce that figure overall. Even so, that's very much higher than any average seasonal flu. This is not "just a flu". That much is clear. However the mean and median age of deaths was 81 and 83 years of age respectively. That's higher than the average life expectancy for Irish men and the the median is one year below the average life expectancy for Irish women. Now that's "just" deaths, the problem was the impact of those hospitalised on the health service and we needed to flatten the curve to stop them being overwhelmed and again the lockdowns etc helped to do that. However that has caused major problems outside of this pox, with people with other diseases and conditions struggling to get treatment. Lord knows how much that's going to bite us in the arse down the line. Never mind the already stretched and inaedquate mental health services because of the personal effects of this pandemic. Never mind the economic and life changes going forward. But again we needed to do it. Even with the precautions and the small minority who got severe illness we were close enough to being stretched beyond capacity. All that said we're 18 months into this and we are coming out of it. The majority of the very at risk people have either survived the dose or are vaccinated against it. It is not the horribly infectious and deadly disease we feared(and were right to fear) and we need to start moving on and the sooner the better.
sligeach wrote: » I hope you're not referring to me.
Marty Bird wrote: » Sure millions of people have had the virus and it’s been nothing for them at all, life is full of risk if people look at the risk of virus is low to them then so be it.
tom1ie wrote: » But what about passing that risk on to someone it might actually harm? Are you ok with that?
astrofool wrote: I mean does someone rational really think they're on the clever side when hundreds of millions and soon billions of people have been vaccinated before them, with data showing the effectiveness and safety of the vaccines vs. a disease that has killed people of all ages.
John_Rambo wrote: » I think we can, as predicted, deduce from the sudden silence of this thread that the majority of the 283 people that voted NO on the poll are getting vaccinated or will be getting vaccinated. Even the vocal one is.
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