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Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

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Thread 1 - Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Wet or dry - the choice is yours, but both are currently closed

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pottokblue

3 lovely pints of Guinness yesterday with splendid sea views. The only disapointing factor is the plastic glass I much prefer the glass glass roll on June21.
Since when did Portobello have a plaza? Now closed for the 1st time. Like wild camping wild drinking is one of lifes simple pleasures.

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Then why don't we open Hospitality the same time, no because of the Vaccination levels, variants, this that and the other

Why don't drinks in southern supermarkets cost the same? Why do pubs open later down south? Why is their tayto yellow?

It's almost like they're 2 separate countries?

PTH2009

hynesie08 wrote: »

No, I think they understand how a common travel area works.

Then why don't we open Hospitality the same time, no because of the Vaccination levels, variants, this that and the other

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'm guessing indoor hospitality opening in the north from the 24th May will have zero impact on our reopening

The irish government are so naive to think people won't be flocking north spending there money on food/drinks esp from the border counties

No, I think they understand how a common travel area works.

PTH2009

I'm guessing indoor hospitality opening in the north from the 24th May will have zero impact on our reopening

The irish government are so naive to think people won't be flocking north spending there money on food/drinks esp from the border counties

saabsaab

opinionated3 wrote: »

Can someone answer me this...... If two people are vaccinated, why can't they sit up to a bar as normal and have their pint and chat? What's the scientific reasoning behind insisting on table service?

Might be an idea to give the vaccinated a badge? perhaps a gold 'V'pin for vaccination or maybe a 'V 2' to show two vaccinations? Bit like the Fainne, discrete.

Maybe the Vintners would get behind it?

Baggly

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Who "deemed" them more important?

Have you a link to support your "theory"

Didn't think so.

Mod

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NIAC Fanboy

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Y
Places primarily selling food were deemed more important than places primarily selling drinks.

Who "deemed" them more important?

Have you a link to support your "theory"

Didn't think so.

ingo1984

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

There was somebody on here a while back posting lies that pubs with restaurant licences were planning to open and serve no food just drink. And that the €9 rule was introduced for this reason.

Not a lie. In fact alot of the gastropubs don't have a pub license but operate off a restaurant license. Restaurant license permits them to serve alcohol as long as they serve food but they won't be able to have the extended opening hours. Think difference between late bar open till 3am in the city centre vs local pub serving food closing at 12am. I know a publican who owns two 'local' pubs with a pub license in Dublin. When the 9 euro food nonsense was materialising he simply went to the courts, applied for restaurant license to serve food all in a matter of days.

[Deleted User]

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

And you claimed the reason they were given priority to open is because they are "pretty essential"

But here we are and every pub and restaurant will be opening together on June 7th.

Restaurants serving alcohol are no more essential than pubs.

As has been suggested here already - the €9 was to slow down pub crawls - that is far more plausible than your so called "explanation"

Now do you understand that your "explanation" does not stand up?

You're wasting your breath. It's called "I want to get the last word in, cover my ears and go tralala". Everyone with more than two brain cells to rub together knows that the €9 meal was to stop Paddy losing the run of himself and to keep traditional publicans from opening their doors. A complete crock that has been discarded because it was discriminatory against publicans without means for cooking food on premises, and on the basis that it was arbitrarily devised nonsense. We've moved on from such mickey mouse shenanigans, government finally sporting their big boy pants. A little over three weeks from now I will be hurtling back the porter in my local, without a plate of onion rings or time constraints to stifle the craic. Chin chin boyos.

dominatinMC

Lads, give it a rest. Pubs are opening soon, let's rejoice!

El_Duderino 09

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

And you claimed the reason they were given priority to open is because they are "pretty essential"

But here we are and every pub and restaurant will be opening together on June 7th.

Restaurants serving alcohol are no more essential than pubs.

As has been suggested here already - the €9 was to slow down pub crawls - that is far more plausible than your so called "explanation"

Now do you understand that your "explanation" does not stand up?

You're getting side-tracked on the gradations of essentialness. Lets leave the word essential aside as it's an absolute term being used to describe something with gradations and it's causing you confusion.

Places primarily selling food were deemed more important than places primarily selling drinks. We know this because dry-led pubs and restaurants were given priority to open when wet-led pubs were not.

The distinction between a dry and wet led pub was established and it centres around the definition of a "substantial meal" (it was defined in the early 2000s as a meal which would be served as a main lunch or evening meal and would reasonably cost no less than €9). So when they decided to open dry led pubs and restaurants the distinction was the ability to serve a €9 meal.

Do you get it yet?

NIAC Fanboy

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. So I've explained that The 9 euro meal is because that's the threshold for a "substantial meal" and places selling a substantial meal were given priority to open. Now do you now understand where the 9 euro meal fits in?

And you claimed the reason they were given priority to open is because they are "pretty essential"

But here we are and every pub and restaurant will be opening together on June 7th.

Restaurants serving alcohol are no more essential than pubs.

As has been suggested here already - the €9 was to slow down pub crawls - that is far more plausible than your so called "explanation"

Now do you understand that your "explanation" does not stand up?

El_Duderino 09

opinionated3 wrote: »

Can someone answer me this...... If two people are vaccinated, why can't they sit up to a bar as normal and have their pint and chat? What's the scientific reasoning behind insisting on table service?

How do they demonstrate they're vaccinated? See the vaccination passport thread for all the reasons people have not to introduce a vaccination passport.

NIAC Fanboy

spurshero wrote: »

No bother . Anyway as regards June 7 I think ya will see a 11 pm last orders to start with and take it from there. Prob see each table having to be a metre apart and something like 6 max at a table . I would imagine it will be something like that till everybody is vaccinated .

From what I have seen most people are going out early when the weather is a bit warmer and most gone home by 10pm, so 11pm will be fine for outdoors.

I saw pictures of Limerick the other night and pubs on main streets had tables and whiskey barrels directly outside the door with people standing around with no control on group sizes or distancing etc.

If they bring in a rule of 6 I doubt there will be any enforcement considering how many places will be open and from talking to a few cops they are sick of dealing with the curtain twitchers ringing to complain about everything.

El_Duderino 09

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

So now you admit restaurants are non essential, so no need to differentiate between them and pubs.

If restaurants are "pretty essential" as you previously claimed they could have allowed them stay open during all lockdowns without serving alcohol.

Ok. So I've explained that The 9 euro meal is because that's the threshold for a "substantial meal" and places selling a substantial meal were given priority to open. Now do you now understand where the 9 euro meal fits in?

spurshero

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

If people stopped coming on here and spreading stuff along the lines of

"restaurants are "pretty esential" so they had to be allowed open"

And

"pubs had a plan to sell drink with no food because there was a restaurant licence attached"

then maybe we could move on.

But a few lads keep coming on spreading their theories / opinions and then try to claim these are some sort of definitive explanation without ever being able to provide a source.

No bother . Anyway as regards June 7 I think ya will see a 11 pm last orders to start with and take it from there. Prob see each table having to be a metre apart and something like 6 max at a table . I would imagine it will be something like that till everybody is vaccinated .

NIAC Fanboy

spurshero wrote: »

Jesus some have too much time on there hands . The 9 euro meal thing is gone maybe ye should all forget about it and move on .

If people stopped coming on here and spreading stuff along the lines of

"restaurants are "pretty esential" so they had to be allowed open"

And

"pubs had a plan to sell drink with no food because there was a restaurant licence attached"

then maybe we could move on.

But a few lads keep coming on spreading their theories / opinions and then try to claim these are some sort of definitive explanation without ever being able to provide a source.

opinionated3

Can someone answer me this...... If two people are vaccinated, why can't they sit up to a bar as normal and have their pint and chat? What's the scientific reasoning behind insisting on table service?

spurshero

Jesus some have too much time on there hands . The 9 euro meal thing is gone maybe ye should all forget about it and move on .

NIAC Fanboy

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Well, not quite. They opened some of the time and not other times. So they arent absolutely essential like a hospital or a supermarket or any of the essential businesses that stayed open throughout the pandemic. But that's beside the point.

The question was about why there was a €9 meal rule. And the answer to that question is because €9 was established (pre covid) as the threshold for a substantial meal. They decided to allow places operating primarily as restaurants, selling a substantial meal to open (up to lockdown level 4). Hence the places that were able to fulfil that requirement were able to open

Now do you understand?

So now you admit restaurants are non essential, so no need to differentiate between them and pubs.

If restaurants are "pretty essential" as you previously claimed they could have allowed them stay open during all lockdowns without serving alcohol.

robbiezero

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Well, not quite. They opened some of the time and not other times. So they arent absolutely essential like a hospital or a supermarket or any of the essential businesses that stayed open throughout the pandemic. But that's beside the point.

The question was about why there was a €9 meal rule. And the answer to that question is because €9 was established (pre covid) as the threshold for a substantial meal. They decided to allow places operating primarily as restaurants, selling a substantial meal to open (up to lockdown level 4). Hence the places that were able to fulfil that requirement were able to open

Now do you understand?

But that wasn't the case. You just needed to a nearby takeaway to deliver a few pizzas or any oul ****e and then pubs which had never served more than a bag of taytos were able to open.

El_Duderino 09

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

I think so. Restaurants are essential except during a pandemic.

Well, not quite. They opened some of the time and not other times. So they arent absolutely essential like a hospital or a supermarket or any of the essential businesses that stayed open throughout the pandemic. But that's beside the point.

The question was about why there was a €9 meal rule. And the answer to that question is because €9 was established (pre covid) as the threshold for a substantial meal. They decided to allow places operating primarily as restaurants, selling a substantial meal to open (up to lockdown level 4). Hence the places that were able to fulfil that requirement were able to open

Now do you understand?

PTH2009

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The times you've posted are essentially the closing times of most pubs anyway with a difference of like a half hour. Last orders on weekends is 12.30 anyway.

If I was to bet it'll be out by 11 every night because of residential areas. Last orders 10/10.15

Will just have to put up with it until indoor returns

Suppose its acceptable til indoor returns. Let's hope we have definite date for indoor dining by the opening time of outdoor. None of this stringing along crap like last summer

What's the opening hours in England outdoors ?

stephenjmcd

PTH2009 wrote: »

Personally can't see normal closing times for when outdoor is permitted as it could turn into a right party atmosphere as the night goes on. Plus some places would be near residential areas. Id guess

Mon-Thurs/Sun- 11pm last orders (out by 11.30)
Fri/Sat- 12pm last orders (out by 12.30)

I'd love to see the back of time limits and the pre booking stuff

The times you've posted are essentially the closing times of most pubs anyway with a difference of like a half hour. Last orders on weekends is 12.30 anyway.

If I was to bet it'll be out by 11 every night because of residential areas. Last orders 10/10.15

Will just have to put up with it until indoor returns

PTH2009

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Surely when outdoor pubs open again time limits will be gone and normal closing times will apply again?

Personally can't see normal closing times for when outdoor is permitted as it could turn into a right party atmosphere as the night goes on. Plus some places would be near residential areas. Id guess

Mon-Thurs/Sun- 11pm last orders (out by 11.30)
Fri/Sat- 12pm last orders (out by 12.30)

I'd love to see the back of time limits and the pre booking stuff

hynesie08

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Surely when outdoor pubs open again time limits will be gone and normal closing times will apply again?

Doubt it, it will be 10 sun - thu and 11 fri/sat due to residential areas I'd imagine.

NIAC Fanboy

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Do you get it now?

I think so. Restaurants are essential except during a pandemic.

Ray Donovan

Surely when outdoor pubs open again time limits will be gone and normal closing times will apply again?

saabsaab

hynesie08 wrote: »

You need to drink in better pubs.

We all do, I guess. Sometimes needs must.