Cill94 wrote: » To me, the weightlifting house guy is just saying "yeah there's a problem, but what's your solution". Really just clickbait. I don't think Clarence is claiming to have the solution in his video, he's merely highlighting how ridiculous the current situation is and how it clearly does not work. Elite level sport is not a healthy pursuit, and athletes who care about winning are always going to find a way to take drugs. Until society accepts that as truth, I think there needs to be more videos like Clarence's one to educate people.
DylanJM wrote: » There was a lot more in there than just "what's your solution?". The way things currently stand with regards to the illegality of PED/steroids (in most countries) and the stigma surrounding them means that untested sport is a essentially pipedream. It would greatly impact general participation and essentially kill youth participation. The main problem is greed and corruption rather than the testing. A properly implemented and well funded testing program can absolutely minimise (you will never squash it fully) the amount of doping that goes on. Testing methods are improving every year and many AAS are pretty much unusable due to how long their detection times now are. However widespread corruption and brown envelopes are constantly undermining this. The goal should be to crush the corruption not remove testing. The corruption will still be there and the corrupt people will find other avenues to fúck over other athletes in order to benefit their own.
Also, parents already allow kids to participate in sports like rugby and boxing, which we know for a fact can have serious effects on brain health. So I wouldn't assume that a parent wouldn't allow a child to play a sport as a child because of the dangers of pursuing it into adulthood.
Cill94 wrote: » Does the fact that it's unlikely to happen anytime soon make the point any less valid though? How else would things ever change if we didn't at least create the conversation? I think killing youth participation is a big assumption. For one thing, the majority of kids participate in sports without ever going on to do it professionally. Big difference between recreational and professional and most people know this. Also, parents already allow kids to participate in sports like rugby and boxing, which we know for a fact can have serious effects on brain health. So I wouldn't assume that a parent wouldn't allow a child to play a sport as a child because of the dangers of pursuing it into adulthood. I think corruption is only one part of the problem, which you're correct about us probably never being able to fully eradicate. The other part of the problem is holding athletes to a bizarre ethical standard. Sports aren't healthy, and yet we allow athletes to make that decision for themselves, in every domain except pharmaceuticals. It's fine for a grown man to make the decision to make his living in a sport where he routinely runs into other men on a rugby pitch at car-crash forces. ..But we're not going to let him take steroids because it's bad for his health?
DylanJM wrote: » I'm not saying it's not a valid point I just don't think it's something that will ever realistically happen on a large scale in sports. Unless there's going to be some regulation (brings us back to square one) then moving to untested sports will have a massive impact on both the youth and female sections of sport. Parents will not want their kids being exposed to AAS and likewise most women (I would guess) wouldn't be keen on exposing themselves to the risk of virilisation (look at female competitors in untested BB or PL). I'm not anti PEDs btw. I just don't see moving to untested sports all round as a realistic option.
Cill94 wrote: » I agree that I don’t think it will happen in our lifetimes at least. There are women already using drugs outside of those sports and the drugs have advanced to the point where women can enhance performance with minimal virilisation. I believe Anavar is the PED of choice for bikini competitors, and they look pretty feminine. I’m sure female athletes in other sports are already availing of this.
Alf Veedersane wrote: » My main argument against it would be that I don't know if removing testing makes it fairer. The athletes/countries with advantages as it stands would still have those advantages.
Cill94 wrote: » There are women already using drugs outside of those sports and the drugs have advanced to the point where women can enhance performance with minimal virilisation. I believe Anavar is the PED of choice for bikini competitors, and they look pretty feminine.
Mellor wrote: » Haven’t got around to the videos yet. But interested in how it’s supposedly safer. Anybody doping to dangerous level in spite of the rules, is not going to sudden start using PEDs responsibly because they are permitted.
Alf Veedersane wrote: » People wouldn't be using drugs like Tren, it would all be regulated and what's available would be safe. That's the contention made. I would disagree with that contention. There will still be people at a disadvantage with regard to the resources and support they have. Knowing their competitors will be doping, they're likely to consider pushing beyond what's healthy.
DylanJM wrote: » But then you'll have to test people to make sure they're not using the special sauces that aren't allowed and we're right back to square one!
Alf Veedersane wrote: » People wouldn't be using drugs like Tren, it would all be regulated and what's available would be safe. That's the contention made.
Mellor wrote: » I understand that some black market AAS may be dangerous due to a lack of quality control. (actual compound not match the label, dose not matching the label). But my understanding was that the real danger of AAS is by and large down to the dose. If PEDs were fully legal. I fail to see any scenario where the average dose does not increase. Meaning more people will be overdosing.
Cill94 wrote: » I don't have an in-depth knowledge on anabolics but I've heard many an elite lifters state that most people overestimate what dosage is needed to optimise performance. If that's the case then the benefits of legality would be more research and education around what is both the safest and most optimal dosages. Another major problem is that the illegality and stigma has prevented conducting enough research to know the extent of how harmful these drugs actually are. As Clarence mentions in that video, there's a wide range of substances that could have very different health outcomes but similar performance ones.
Dtp1979 wrote: » I hear ya lads. It wasn’t that long ago I was downing 4g’s of creatine.
Will_I_Regret wrote: » Bought two 20kg bumper plates from a well known Irish supplier. First time I used them, I could have sworn one side of the bar was noticeably heavier, but I just put it down to not being centred on my back. Curiosity got the best of me as I couldn't find the "centre" of the bar for a few days at this stage and was only happening when these plates were on. So I decided to weigh them on a very accurate digital scales. First plate was 19.2kg and the second plate was 21.7kg!! Not being competition plates I wouldn't expect them to be perfect, but an imbalance of 2.5kg
paw patrol wrote: » However Tren isn't. It's for livestock. :rolleyes
Cill94 wrote: » I don't have an in-depth knowledge on anabolics but I've heard many an elite lifters state that most people overestimate what dosage is needed to optimise performance. If that's the case then the benefits of legality would be more research and education around what is both the safest and most optimal dosages.
DylanJM wrote: » Creatine is so last year
Mr. CooL ICE wrote: » I've seen memes/references to this online recently. Save me watching - is this guy advocating for drinking jizz for gainz? If so, it reminds me about the time I tried making protein ice cream. I didn't research any recipes or anything. I just mixed some vanilla whey and a tin of coconut milk and froze it. Before freezing, it looked like jizz. Like, really, really looked like jizz. If you scooped some on a spoon and let it drip off, it, well you know. If you saw me with the big tub of this stuff after making it, you'd think I'd lost my mind, but probably admired my 'work ethic'.
Dtp1979 wrote: » That’s me done with ice cream. Thanks
Brian? wrote: » Heavyweight men's weightlifting is on eurosport now. Savage stuff.
