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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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[Deleted User]

crossman47 wrote: »

I think you're mixing two things up. UK uses mainly Astra and 12 weeks is the recommended gap. However, the recommended gap for Pfizer and Moderna, which are the main ones we started with, is four weeks and surely its better to follow the manufacturer's recommendation.

Uk has vaccinated 18 million astra. the rest with pfzier/moderna, a considerable amount given over well of 50% of adults have receieved. UK was eu vaccination hq before brexit. They had knowledge and expertise to think greater dosing gap will cause less overall infections, severe illness and death. They were right, we were wrong. Just because WHO said last year facemasks were not needed means that is gospel. I think your a little naive to think following instructions 100% always delivers best results.

Call me Al

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's not necessarily better. Pfizer and Moderna didn't run studies of comparing 4 weeks versus 12 weeks. They went with 4 weeks because it was quicker to run the trial that way.
Previous vaccines have shown 12 week gaps to be valid.
But maybe mRNA vaccines are different.
I can understand why the UK went with 12 week gap.

Maybe, but it was a risk.
However I do feel the UK decision was understandable. The spread was so extensive by that stage they almost didn't have a choice in the matter.

Either way though the data that will have accumulated over this past 3 month period (4 week v 12 week) will be useful in terms of guidance for ourselves. It may be that it calls for a change of tactic for everyone under a certain age with little to no risk of hospitalisation. I'd be in favour of that if it the data is there..

I'm still happier that our cohorts 1 and 3 are using Pfizer with a 3-4 week gap though.

namloc1980

Too many stories like this. Very poor.

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ACitizenErased

namloc1980 wrote: »

Too many stories like this. Very poor.

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And:
https://twitter.com/AdrianAmcgold/status/1379085084003868672?s=20

User1998

I’m guessing the 1 millionth vaccine will be administered tomorrow?

namloc1980

ACitizenErased wrote: »

And:
https://twitter.com/AdrianAmcgold/status/1379085084003868672?s=20

3 hours late after most people had gone home. Very poor.

ceegee

namloc1980 wrote: »

Too many stories like this. Very poor.

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Strange you decided to leave out his subsequent tweet to say the vaccines had arrived.

ACitizenErased

namloc1980 wrote: »

3 hours late after most people had gone home. Very poor.

The tweet literally says they're calling them all back, it's a GP's office, they're all likely local

MerlinSouthDub

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The tweet literally says they're calling them all back, it's a GP's office, they're all likely local

If our worst issue today is that some vaccines were delivered a few hours late, we must have run out of things to complain about

Tyrone212

ACitizenErased wrote: »

And:
https://twitter.com/AdrianAmcgold/status/1379085084003868672?s=20

That's great.

namloc1980

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The tweet literally says they're calling them all back, it's a GP's office, they're all likely local

Ah sure that's grand then. You don't think it's a bit of a shambles that they didn't arrive when promised? Or are you excusing everything the HSE does as per usual??

namloc1980

ceegee wrote: »

Strange you decided to leave out his subsequent tweet to say the vaccines had arrived.

3 hours late. I'm guessing you think that's acceptable.

ACitizenErased

namloc1980 wrote: »

Ah sure that's grand then. You don't think it's a bit of a shambles that they didn't arrive when promised? Or are you excusing everything the HSE does as per usual??

'shambles', 'excuses', 'the hse!!' etc etc, I could have written that reply myself

namloc1980

ACitizenErased wrote: »

'shambles', 'excuses', 'the hse!!' etc etc, I could have written that reply myself

You always excuse the HSE and vaccine rollout on here. Like clockwork you're at it again.

ACitizenErased

namloc1980 wrote: »

You always excuse the HSE and vaccine rollout on here. Like clockwork you're at it again.

Chill out mate, they were 3 hours late, nobody died. Calm.

eagle eye

Well the HSE is a shambles and has been long before covid-19 arrived.

namloc1980

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Chill out mate, they were 3 hours late, nobody died. Calm.

I'm sure you'd be calm if you were that GP or a patient who had gone to the clinic only be be sent home? People who accept mediocrity get mediocrity. Looks like you're happy with shoddy service like that. Not everyone is.

[Deleted User]

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Chill out mate, they were 3 hours late, nobody died. Calm.

3 hours late is one thing, not contacting the GP to say there'd be a delay or there not being a number to contact when this happens is inexcusable, it's amateur.

Martina1991

embraer170 wrote: »

What do you make of the mass use of antigen testing in Germany?

It is even accepted as an alternative to a PCR test when arriving from designated risk regions.

In Germany they are using tests that manufactures have claimed to be of a certain level of sensitivity and specificity.
All manufactures are going to claim to be >95% accurate because people wouldn't buy them otherwise. The all inclusive disclaimer with them all is that a negative result doesn't exclude the presence of the virus.

It puts the onus of the performance of the tests on the manufacture rather than the government. Not all manufactures tests are going to perform the same. There will be some that are better than others.

The problem is the studies and data manufactures undergo usually involve small sample sizes in symptomatic people, by trained swabbers, in controlled conditions.
There is little or incomplete evidence about their performance on asymptomatic people self swabbing themselves as a once off. Many studies also omit swabbing children. We cannot assume these tests will perform the same on kids as they do in adults.

Antigen tests should be used like they were meant to be. In symptomatic people, in populations where prevalence of the virus is high. Mass testing is a waste of money and resources, in my opinion.

iamwhoiam

No , its by no means ideal to have a three hour delay . But honestly in the grand scheme of things and massive logistical effort I think those involved will feel relieved and happy to have it sorted

hynesie08

User1998 wrote: »

I’m guessing the 1 millionth vaccine will be administered tomorrow?

I have it as Wednesday, but if we were cracking out the AZ at the weekend, it very well could be.

VonLuck

namloc1980 wrote: »

3 hours late. I'm guessing you think that's acceptable.

It's acceptable as long as it doesn't become a widespread issue. Also context is very important. At the end of this pandemic I could tell you that 100,000 vaccines were delayed in their delivery which sounds terrible, but that's actually the same as 99% of deliveries arriving on time.

Turtwig

[Deleted User] wrote: »

3 hours late is one thing, not contacting the GP to say there'd be a delay or there not being a number to contact when this happens is inexcusable, it's amateur.

True. If there was no communication. Was there none?

Corholio

I think it's fair enough to be disappointed at GP's still getting late deliveries after what seemed a very progressive week last week, but also glad they ended up getting them. Hopefully these will be less and less common now.

[Deleted User]

Christ people complaining about three hours late when most of the world will be waiting months and months.

I wonder what that particular poster has done in their lives to entitle to him to such an early vaccine roll out, only to give out about a few hours. Be born in a certain place, I suppose.

crossman47

VonLuck wrote: »

It's acceptable as long as it doesn't become a widespread issue. Also context is very important. At the end of this pandemic I could tell you that 100,000 vaccines were delayed in their delivery which sounds terrible, but that's actually the same as 99% of deliveries arriving on time.

Exactly. Its not always going to be perfect. In Germany they're trying to be so perfect they're throwing away vaccines if the designated people don't show.

Turtwig

crossman47 wrote: »

Exactly. Its not always going to be perfect. In Germany they're trying to be so perfect they're throwing away vaccines if the designated people don't show.

What! ? That's madness. Is that an official policy?

ceegee

[Deleted User] wrote: »

3 hours late is one thing, not contacting the GP to say there'd be a delay or there not being a number to contact when this happens is inexcusable, it's amateur.

Equally amateur for a surgery to only leave an hours grace period between expected delivery and appointments.

Bubbaclaus

ceegee wrote: »

Equally amateur for a surgery to only leave an hours grace period between expected delivery and appointments.

Was thinking the same. Any GP I have heard has been scheduling the vaccination for the day after delivery.

crossman47

Turtwig wrote: »

What! ? That's madness. Is that an official policy?

I'm sure its not but Germans always obey rules.