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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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eoinbn

Stheno wrote: »

Iirc Amazon offered to provide cloud resources if needed

Exactly what would be useful to handle a surge in capacity

Hosting it on a cloud provider with autoscaling. If they pay for the required throughput then it should handle the load without issue. The application requirements are trivial.

[Deleted User]

timsey tiger wrote: »

Can you really be part of a society, if you are unwilling to do something to protect others in that society?

In a free society people have to able to make decisions about vaccination and medical treatment, in my opinion. If people are coerced into taking a vaccine then that society is no longer free. And it's set a precedent: one could be coerced into taking the flu vaccine, coerced into taking medical treatment. And the passport could morph into a social credit system. It is not to be anti-vaccination to be extremely concerned about vaccine passports. Society would be transformed overnight into a completely new society if they were to be introduced. Even with vaccine passports covid would not disappear. People would continue to get the virus and people would continue to die.

[Deleted User]

timsey tiger wrote: »

How is this relevent to the discussion on anti-vaxxer freeloaders expecting the benefits of society without shouldering any of the responsibilities?

Would you say the same about the flu vaccine? Doesn't the same principal apply? And this is not to compare covid with the flu. It is to compare the principal. One could argue that people should not expect the benefits of society unless they took the flu vaccine.

iamwhoiam

timsey tiger wrote: »

The idea is to get it done quickly, choice would lead to unnecessary delays.

I have absolutely no problem with vaccines being allocated , nor the venue

Sky King

[Deleted User] wrote: »

. Society would be transformed overnight into a completely new society.

That already happened. Where were you for the last year? Vaccines are our best shot at getting our good old society back.

[Deleted User]

Sky King wrote: »

That already happened. Where were you for the last year? Vaccines are our best shot at getting our good old society back.

I agree they are, but that old society without vaccine passports. Not 'a semblance of that society', or 'a degree of normality' as Dr Glynn has said a number of times, plus vaccine passports.

MrStuffins

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I find what's going on in Israel to be horrifying. A two-tiered society. Seats in restaurants for the vaccinated only, the unvaccinated cut off from society. Once the government can coerce people into taking a medical treatment the people cease to be free.

I know this thread is about vaccination, but I really wish there could be a chance to discuss and read about these things without having to read pseudo-intellectual conspiratorial drivel!

[Deleted User]

I have (surprisingly) got the call for a vaccine Friday. I have astma and although mostly controlled, I had an overnight with an attack in hospital recently so I think that is what flagged it.

As a woman of childbaring age I must say I am extremely unsettled by what I am reading about astrazenaca. I am actually thinking of not having it. My husband is having his Thursday but it seems to be affecting women more.

I don't know am I being stupid or what I actually wish I wasn't called so soon, I know how selfish that sounds when people are crying out for it. I know I need to make a decision asap so I can cancel in time to let someone else have the slot.

Sorry for rambling, would others get it right now, being a woman?

jp101

iamwhoiam wrote: »

As far as I recall they said certain groups will be asked to register . So first the 65-70 will be asked and then the next group etc

Do we have any idea how they plan on controlling the registration process. As in how do you stop a 62 year old registering as 65.

MrStuffins

jp101 wrote: »

Do we have any idea how they plan on controlling the registration process. As in how do you stop a 62 year old registering as 65.

PPS No. I think?

iamwhoiam

jp101 wrote: »

Do we have any idea how they plan on controlling the registration process. As in how do you stop a 62 year old registering as 65.

PPS numbers I imagine .

Strazdas

MrStuffins wrote: »

PPS No. I think?

They definitely would be wide open to the prospect of identity fraud, so yes, Otherwise virtually anyone could register and claim they were 20 years older or whatever.

LLMMLL

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have (surprisingly) got the call for a vaccine Friday. I have astma and although mostly controlled, I had an overnight with an attack in hospital recently so I think that is what flagged it.

As a woman of childbaring age I must say I am extremely unsettled by what I am reading about astrazenaca. I am actually thinking of not having it. My husband is having his Thursday but it seems to be affecting women more.

I don't know am I being stupid or what I actually wish I wasn't called so soon, I know how selfish that sounds when people are crying out for it. I know I need to make a decision asap so I can cancel in time to let someone else have the slot.

Sorry for rambling, would others get it right now, being a woman?

I'm not very up to date on the numbers etc. But from what I can tell the blood clotting is a very rare event.

You're far more likely to catch covid and if you've asthma I'm guessing that would be far more dangerous than the blood clot risk.

Keep in mind that if you refuse it it's not clear what would happen. You'd probably have the opportunity to register by your age group in a few months and have a decent chance of being offered the AZ one again.

ACitizenErased

Deleted User wrote: »

I have (surprisingly) got the call for a vaccine Friday. I have astma and although mostly controlled, I had an overnight with an attack in hospital recently so I think that is what flagged it.

As a woman of childbaring age I must say I am extremely unsettled by what I am reading about astrazenaca. I am actually thinking of not having it. My husband is having his Thursday but it seems to be affecting women more.

I don't know am I being stupid or what I actually wish I wasn't called so soon, I know how selfish that sounds when people are crying out for it. I know I need to make a decision asap so I can cancel in time to let someone else have the slot.

Sorry for rambling, would others get it right now, being a woman?

The UK has reported about 30 cases out of 11 (almost 12) million. The chances of you catching COVID are currently higher.

Wolf359f

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The UK has reported about 30 cases out of 11 (almost 12) million. The chances of you catching COVID are currently higher.

I think for anyone with an underlying condition, the dangers of Covid far outweigh any risks associated with AZ.

firemansam4

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have (surprisingly) got the call for a vaccine Friday. I have astma and although mostly controlled, I had an overnight with an attack in hospital recently so I think that is what flagged it.

As a woman of childbaring age I must say I am extremely unsettled by what I am reading about astrazenaca. I am actually thinking of not having it. My husband is having his Thursday but it seems to be affecting women more.

I don't know am I being stupid or what I actually wish I wasn't called so soon, I know how selfish that sounds when people are crying out for it. I know I need to make a decision asap so I can cancel in time to let someone else have the slot.

Sorry for rambling, would others get it right now, being a woman?

What have you read that has you so concerned?

The European and UK regulators have both stated that the blood clotting events are very rare and the risks form covid far outweigh any rare side effects from the vaccine.

pew

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have (surprisingly) got the call for a vaccine Friday. I have astma and although mostly controlled, I had an overnight with an attack in hospital recently so I think that is what flagged it.

As a woman of childbaring age I must say I am extremely unsettled by what I am reading about astrazenaca. I am actually thinking of not having it. My husband is having his Thursday but it seems to be affecting women more.

I don't know am I being stupid or what I actually wish I wasn't called so soon, I know how selfish that sounds when people are crying out for it. I know I need to make a decision asap so I can cancel in time to let someone else have the slot.

Sorry for rambling, would others get it right now, being a woman?

I'm a woman of child bearing age too and I'm getting AstraZeneca this week. I'm going ahead with it. I totally understand your worries about it because the blood clot issue is in the back of mind.

In saying that I'm still going to get it. It's a rare side effect but you have a higher chance of getting a clot on a long haul flight or taking the pill.

Also if you do cancel and then register at a later date there is every chance you could be offered AstraZeneca again and you may not have the option to request a different vaccine.

Ultimately it is up to you whether or not you go ahead with it. I for one will be.

NeuralNetwork

Stheno wrote: »

Iirc Amazon offered to provide cloud resources if needed

Exactly what would be useful to handle a surge in capacity

AFAIK, it's new and built by IBM, so should be fairly decent. I think there are a few of these systems that are more or less modified off-the-shelf for this purpose and being used by a lot of administrations around the US and around Europe already. It's unlikely to be a custom package for the HSE.

stephenjmcd

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

AFAIK, it's new and built by IBM, so should be fairly decent. I think there are a few of these systems that are more or less modified off-the-shelf for this purpose and being used by a lot of administrations around the US and around Europe already. It's unlikely to be a custom package for the HSE.

Yeah pretty sure it's not custom. IBM & Salesforce were involved

hmmm

Wasn't Salesforce mentioned for the first system? Either way the volume won't be a problem - what will be a problem will be the outliers, the people who think they have egyptian hiergyphics in their PPS number and can't register, or the 60 year old from Mayo who puts in the wrong number and ends up registered as a 20 year old from Ballyfermot and receives an invite to get their vaccine in Croke Park in July. These will all be on Joe Duffy or the front of the newspaper complaining.

Either way I hope they have been working on this system for months, because that was something they could control.

[Deleted User]

Yes it is women who are affected, I am on another uk site mumsnet and there is major concern from a lot of the women on there. Not hysteria but links to media etc that show that these clots appear in women of my age group so it would mean it would be a lot more likely for me than a man or older woman.

I completely get that I will be near the end of the queue if I don't take it, I am not an antivaxer, I have been actively seeking it out for my husband and father, I get the flu vaccine every year, but this is really concerning me.

I also fear I will get it Friday and our government will then do a u-turn and only use it in the older age groups.

stephenjmcd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes it is women who are affected, I am on another uk site mumsnet and there is major concern from a lot of the women on there. Not hysteria but links to media etc that show that these clots appear in women of my age group so it would mean it would be a lot more likely for me than a man or older woman.

I completely get that I will be near the end of the queue if I don't take it, I am not an antivaxer, I have been actively seeking it out for my husband and father, I get the flu vaccine every year, but this is really concerning me.

I also fear I will get it Friday and our government will then do a u-turn and only use it in the older age groups.

Every vaccine carries its risks, miniscule risks at that. The odds are firmly stacked against getting a rare event.

The benefit far outweigh the risk run if you get covid and I'm guessing if your being offered it now then your in one of the risk groups or work in an at risk setting. ( I could be wrong but guessing that's why your being offered it now)

What's decided by NIAC & the HPRA is outside of our control so why worry about it ?

NeuralNetwork

hmmm wrote: »

Wasn't Salesforce mentioned for the first system? Either way the volume won't be a problem - what will be a problem will be the outliers, the people who think they have egyptian hiergyphics in their PPS number and can't register, or the 60 year old from Mayo who puts in the wrong number and ends up registered as a 20 year old from Ballyfermot and receives an invite to get their vaccine in Croke Park in July. These will all be on Joe Duffy or the front of the newspaper complaining.

Either way I hope they have been working on this system for months, because that was something they could control.

PPSN isn't that easy to screw up, it has a built in check character:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Public_Service_Number#Check_character

So, input errors generally get screened out before they even go past the website.

Even without needing a database behind it, you can avoid a lot of messing with erroneous numbers, much like you can with an IBAN number for bank accounts.

Tippbhoy1

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah pretty sure it's not custom. IBM & Salesforce were involved

It’s a bit off topic, but IBM haven’t built anything market leading in at least 10 years. Why they need both companies for this I don’t know.

But as the outdated saying goes, no one ever got fired for hiring IBM.

maestroamado

I read an article today where Paul Reid said that people jumping the queue was "regrettable" was the word he used.
Who is responsible for this, is it him or the minister...

SSeanSS

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

It’s a bit off topic, but IBM haven’t built anything market leading in at least 10 years. Why they need both companies for this I don’t know.

But as the outdated saying goes, no one ever got fired for hiring IBM.

It will depend on the budget HSE have for this project. Even Amazon.co.uk crashed over Christmas when it wasn’t able to handle a ps5 sale.

Marhay70

maestroamado wrote: »

I read an article today where Paul Reid said that people jumping the queue was "regrettable" was the word he used.
Who is responsible for this, is it him or the minister...

I'd imagine it's the people jumping the queue.

astrofool

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes it is women who are affected, I am on another uk site mumsnet and there is major concern from a lot of the women on there. Not hysteria but links to media etc that show that these clots appear in women of my age group so it would mean it would be a lot more likely for me than a man or older woman.

I completely get that I will be near the end of the queue if I don't take it, I am not an antivaxer, I have been actively seeking it out for my husband and father, I get the flu vaccine every year, but this is really concerning me.

I also fear I will get it Friday and our government will then do a u-turn and only use it in the older age groups.

Honestly, the worst thing that you can do is get caught up in the hysteria and over exaggeration of those online forums, it's a lot of people ramping things up to cause as much drama as possible.

As a young female you should not be worried, what worries you have should be discussed with the doctor or vaccinator who will be able to bring you through all the details in a calm manner. You can then decide in a calm setting if it's right for you or not.

maestroamado

Marhay70 wrote: »

I'd imagine it's the people jumping the queue.

I assume the HSE are in charge of people requesting vaccine but i may be wrong.

How can people jump queue if this is managed properly.

firemansam4

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes it is women who are affected, I am on another uk site mumsnet and there is major concern from a lot of the women on there. Not hysteria but links to media etc that show that these clots appear in women of my age group so it would mean it would be a lot more likely for me than a man or older woman.

I completely get that I will be near the end of the queue if I don't take it, I am not an antivaxer, I have been actively seeking it out for my husband and father, I get the flu vaccine every year, but this is really concerning me.

I also fear I will get it Friday and our government will then do a u-turn and only use it in the older age groups.

Again I would like to know the source of these links causing such concern? It is a worry that such sites are causing people to fear taking the vaccine.

The chances of you being in a motor collision would be far higher than the events being reported, do you still have the same fear stepping into a car or onto a bus or something?

Yet the chances of catching covid and suffering long term health problems or even death from it are much more likely and it would be a shame if many women decide to take there chances with covid over the risk of very rare blood clotting risks that are being reported.