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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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cameramonkey

Economics101 wrote: »

Looking at latest vaccination numbers, 325,000 first doses have been given to "frontline healthcare workers". There are about 125,000 wholetime equivalents on the HSE payroll or indirectly funded by the HSE. Even if you add in private hospitals, GP clinics, pharmacists, dentists etc, it seems that there is a very elastic definition of "frontline", especially as there must be loads of HSE administrators working form home and in no way a priority group.

Of course they are not "private" so no indignation as in the case of the Beacon-20.

Are the " beacon 20" not paid out of tax payers money by the dept of education?

josip

hmmm wrote: »

As someone mentioned earlier, groups like meat factory workers are probably higher at risk. Either way the government is in a no-win situation with every group trying to get to the front of the line, and they can only rely on the medical advice.

I don't think opposition TDs should be using this to try and whip up social division as they know full well the problem the government faces.

But whereas the teachers have ASTI, INTO, TUI, IPPN, NABMSE, NAPD, NCSE and more to lobby on their behalf, the meat factory workers have Larry Goodman.

Economics101

Looking at latest vaccination numbers, 325,000 first doses have been given to "frontline healthcare workers". There are about 125,000 wholetime equivalents on the HSE payroll or indirectly funded by the HSE. Even if you add in private hospitals, GP clinics, pharmacists, dentists etc, it seems that there is a very elastic definition of "frontline", especially as there must be loads of HSE administrators working form home and in no way a priority group.

Of course they are not "private" so no indignation as in the case of the Beacon-20.

lbj666

greenheep wrote: »

While I wouldn't be too concerned with the risk of getting the Astra Zeneca vaccine one of the big issues would be that you need to wait the 12 weeks for the second dose to be fully vaccinated. That means a longer time to wait before you can avail of the vaccine "bonus" in terms of restrictions.

For example if I get my first does in June, the second dose + 2 week wait would mean I',m not fully vaccinated until Sept\Oct. Where as if I get the J&J in June then i'm good to go that same month in terms of travel (if vaccine passports come in), and meeting other vaccinated people indoors. I'll take it if no other option but will prefer J&J or mRNA, I think a lot of people will be the same.

The vacine bonus is likely to be a short term guideline.

Once enough people have their first dose the epidemiological picture as whole will be very different and that policy will likely change so i wouldnt be too concerned.

Hmmzis

greenheep wrote: »

While I wouldn't be too concerned with the risk of getting the Astra Zeneca vaccine one of the big issues would be that you need to wait the 12 weeks for the second dose to be fully vaccinated. That means a longer time to wait before you can avail of the vaccine "bonus" in terms of restrictions.

For example if I get my first does in June, the second dose + 2 week wait would mean I',m not fully vaccinated until Sept\Oct. Where as if I get the J&J in June then i'm good to go that same month in terms of travel (if vaccine passports come in), and meeting other vaccinated people indoors. I'll take it if no other option but will prefer J&J or mRNA, I think a lot of people will be the same.

In my humble opinion the rule should be something around the likes of 4 weeks after 1st dose as that's where you start getting a good level of protection and reduction in transmission from any vaccine deployed so far. I do see how this might get messy by some people 'forgetting' their 2nd dose appointments though.

KrustyUCC

namloc1980 wrote: »

Mary Lou on the bandwagon now. This is going to get messy and they'll rile up the unions.

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Mary Lou can go away

NIAC changed advice

She'd be on about the government not following health advice if they didn't go with NIAC

goingnowhere

Pfizer/BioNTech also has revised the storage temperatures so are now reasonably practical for storage which was the biggest challenge.

Curevac if it gets approved will be the vaccine for all if it shows the same performance as Pfizer/BioNTech as its storage requirements are the same as AZ

greenheep

While I wouldn't be too concerned with the risk of getting the Astra Zeneca vaccine one of the big issues would be that you need to wait the 12 weeks for the second dose to be fully vaccinated. That means a longer time to wait before you can avail of the vaccine "bonus" in terms of restrictions.

For example if I get my first does in June, the second dose + 2 week wait would mean I',m not fully vaccinated until Sept\Oct. Where as if I get the J&J in June then i'm good to go that same month in terms of travel (if vaccine passports come in), and meeting other vaccinated people indoors. I'll take it if no other option but will prefer J&J or mRNA, I think a lot of people will be the same.

is_that_so

hmmm wrote: »

As someone mentioned earlier, groups like meat factory workers are probably higher at risk. Either way the government is in a no-win situation with every group trying to get to the front of the line, and they can only rely on the medical advice.

I don't think opposition TDs should be using this to try and whip up social division as they know full well the problem the government faced.

It's Mary Lou and co, it's what they do! People out there believe it to be true so it's just playing to the gallery.

hmmm

giveitholly wrote: »

Are the teachers ever happy? A lot of them will be finishing up work in less than two months,they are all off again next week. Surely staff of supermarkets should have more of a gripe. Any teacher under 40 with no underlying condition should be quite happy to see people in the 40-65 bracket vaccinated before them

As someone mentioned earlier, groups like meat factory workers are probably higher at risk. Either way the government is in a no-win situation with every group trying to get to the front of the line, and they can only rely on the medical advice.

I don't think opposition TDs should be using this to try and whip up social division as they know full well the problem the government faces.

namloc1980

giveitholly wrote: »

Are the teachers ever happy? A lot of them will be finishing up work in less than two months,they are all off again next week. Surely staff of supermarkets should have more of a gripe. Any teacher under 40 with no underlying condition should be quite happy to see people in the 40-65 bracket vaccinated before them

Unfortunately retail staff don't have a powerful union, who have the government's ear, advocating for them.

is_that_so

GLaDOS wrote: »

Pfizer/BioNTech are bloody amazing.

And have taken the title that AZ wanted, the vaccine that will save the world.

giveitholly

namloc1980 wrote: »

TDs kicking off all over the place in the Dáil about the teachers not getting priority. This is going to be a joke for the next few weeks to be honest and quite possibly the unions will say teachers aren't going back after Easter unless they get prioritised. It's all very unseemly.

Are the teachers ever happy? A lot of them will be finishing up work in less than two months,they are all off again next week. Surely staff of supermarkets should have more of a gripe. Any teacher under 40 with no underlying condition should be quite happy to see people in the 40-65 bracket vaccinated before them

GLaDOS

Pfizer/BioNTech are bloody amazing.

Le Bruise

RavenBea17b wrote: »

Any updates about vaccine deliveries up and coming ? Need some good news, - please...

There has been loads of good news on here recently!!:)

But specific to vaccine deliveries:

Pfizer/BioNTech have raised their estimated supply from 2 billion to 2.5 billion for this year.

The EMA have authorised several new vaccine plants in the EU which will increase production capacity further. This includes the Halix plant which should help sort out the AZ shortfall.

J&J will begin deliveries from 18th April.

Ireland plan to have 6 million doses administered by end of July.

The end is nigh....in a good way!

Edit: Add in the news from Pfizer posted by Hmmm and Stephenjmcd too!

namloc1980

Mary Lou on the bandwagon now. This is going to get messy and they'll rile up the unions.

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stephenjmcd

Good news on BioNTech & Pfizer in the younger age groups.

Data to be peer reviewed and submitted to the FDA.

In a Phase 3 trial of 2,260 participants ages 12 to 15 in the US, the vaccine elicited strong antibody responses one month after the second dose -- exceeding those demonstrated in people ages 16 to 25 in previous trials, Pfizer reported.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1377212351468949504?s=20

Edit: hmmm got in there before me, this is excellent news

hmmm

Pfizer Biontech vaccine effective in kids 12-16.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/31/health/pfizer-biontech-vaccine-adolescents.html

18 infections in the placebo group, none in the vaccinated.
No significant side-effects
Adolescents are generating higher antibody levels than older people
Trial of 5 to 11 year olds now underway

namloc1980

TDs kicking off all over the place in the Dáil about the teachers not getting priority. This is going to be a joke for the next few weeks to be honest and quite possibly the unions will say teachers aren't going back after Easter unless they get prioritised. It's all very unseemly.

lbj666

Bridge93 wrote: »

Have they decided the order of ages once those at risk are done? I know there was talk of doing the younger cohort before the older once they got below under 50 if evidence showed the vaccine stops transmission. Given that's been shown to be largely true, whats the gameplan? Is it just chronological from 65-youngest or any nuance?

They are working from oldest down , 18-35 will not be prioritised.
There is a case to prioritise them.. but stats show 35-55 are clearly more at risk of severe illness. The prevention of transmission is the long way round way of preventing severe illness.
The other thing is any benefit in reducing transmission could easily or partially be undone by increased in activity unvacinated age groups , ie. kids teenager and the 35-55 gang.

RavenBea17b

Any updates about vaccine deliveries up and coming ? Need some good news, - please...

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

So basically, they ****ed up organising Cohort 4 and now have pushed them back down the list.

I was hoping to be vaccinated in the next six weeks or so, but it now looks like I'm back down to level 7 so can look forward to spending another summer stuck indoors, while case numbers remain high - so no reduced risk to me.

Great.

How do you know you've switched groups? 6 weeks is not an unreasonable guess for Group 7 but all down to supplies.

KrustyUCC

Bridge93 wrote: »

Have they decided the order of ages once those at risk are done? I know there was talk of doing the younger cohort before the older once they got below under 50 if evidence showed the vaccine stops transmission. Given that's been shown to be largely true, whats the gameplan? Is it just chronological from 65-youngest or any nuance?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1376991063680880642

That's the plan at the moment

[Deleted User]

So basically, they ****ed up organising Cohort 4 and now have pushed them back down the list.

I was hoping to be vaccinated in the next six weeks or so, but it now looks like I'm back down to level 7 so can look forward to spending another summer stuck indoors, while case numbers remain high among those "at low risk" - but no reduced risk to me.

Great.

Bridge93

Have they decided the order of ages once those at risk are done? I know there was talk of doing the younger cohort before the older once they got below under 50 if evidence showed the vaccine stops transmission. Given that's been shown to be largely true, whats the gameplan? Is it just chronological from 65-youngest or any nuance?

is_that_so

KrustyUCC wrote: »

True but I can imagine the outcry if the government went against NIAC advice

That advice has pushed out my first vaccine date but I can accept the advice

The NIAC advice is very clear and only identifies a couple of groups at risk in the population in general. One would get the impression the vested interests up in arms about it assumed this was a government decision that could be reversed.

[Deleted User]

I've seen the planned easing of restrictions. Those múinteoirí related to the Beacon fiasco must feel righteous now as the government turns the Covid measures in their favour.

I think nepotistic behavior with vaccine sharing will increase if people who are vaccinated can return to "normalcy".

[Deleted User]

I don't think there is an issue with the new vaccine rollout plan.
As an emergency service worker I have no idea when I am getting the vaccine, nor do I really care, so long as they do it quickly and efficiently.

Marty Bird

hmmm wrote: »

I think people are underestimating what incredible news this is. A complete game-changer. RTE haven't mentioned it have they?

The vaccines also seem to be handily dealing with known variants.

The news this week has been amazing - we're getting out of this once enough get vaccinated.

Hmmm I would normally be very up beat about this, but after hearing how we are handling it and what Hancock was saying about a 3rd jab I’m not as positive.

PhilOssophy

Lets be real here - scandals like the Beacon hospital made the government pull the plug on anything other than being in a very at-risk category being prioritised.
Stephen Donnelly knows full well that the more arbitrary the system, the more of this BS and skull duggery he will have to answer questions on between now and the end of the process.
Clearly people involved in the process can't be trusted to act ethically or to do the right thing, so lets remove that grey area.
Hard to blame him to be fair.