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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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seamus

hmmm wrote: »

They're not being ignored though, the government scientific advisory committee has told the government that apparently they're no more likely to get the virus than anyone else.

If that's the case then I guess so be it.

I'm relieved at the decision because I think the next two months would have been filled with special interest groups all flexing their muscles to be first in line for vaccinations, and it would have been pretty unpleasant.

They're already at it by the looks of things!

KrustyUCC

dominatinMC wrote: »

Teachers are perpetually annoyed. They need to just accept it and get on with the job they are paid to do like everyone else.

Funny for the most part teachers are the same or better off than the old plan

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1376991063680880642

No changes to first 8 cohorts

If any teacher in groups 9 - 10 64-45 then better off

Group 11 44-35 the same

That leaves 34-21 year old teachers really

In the old plan I'd have been group 10

Now I'm 11 so a downgrade as well

Wolf359f

eoinbn wrote: »

1.1m doses by the end of Q1 - likely to be less than that.
3.8m delivered in Q2.

Need to round up to get 5m. Need to find 1m doses to get to 6m. It is possible that the UK could give us doses in June but it is highly unlikely that we could admin 3m doses in June.

You would really need to see a revised timeframe from another EU countries to see where the 3mil doses are coming from in June. That's over 300mil delivered to the EU In a month. Seems very high to me. I'd rather believe someone in government or the HSE totted them up wrong!

Let along being able to administer that much in a month.
10,000 vaccinators doing 10 a day would do it. But who knows. It's 2% of the population per day for a month.

KrustyUCC

is_that_so wrote: »

It's that catch-all of "holding the government responsible".

True but I can imagine the outcry if the government went against NIAC advice

That advice has pushed out my first vaccine date but I can accept the advice

lbj666

seansouth36 wrote: »

Given that we are constantly told by posters on here that case numbers don't matter, only hospitalisations/ICU, surely it makes total sense to prioritise those who COVID effects the most, rather than those most likely to get it? That's the whole point of the rollout it seems. It will also be quicker and save loads of lobbying and ****wittery from the HSE, who could barely organise a BBQ never mind a complex roll out.

Keep in mind any reputable national health service so far has been spared of such ****wittery

eagle eye

I was talking to somebody in the biotech field last night as regards AZ. My fears have been allayed.

He said the following.
'If you asked me a couple of months ago I'd have told you that Pfizer and Moderna are probably a safer option'
'I believe AZ's manufacturing quality control was poor at the beginning, that's what you get when you rush.'
It's an old school vaccine so.it should be predictable'
'You may have a sore arm for a few days after it but it's better than getting covid'
'Everyone takes a risk everytime they take medications. With vaccines and injectables the risk is highest because you bypass most protections'
'There are always people who have reactions to vaccines and other injectables. If you've had a vaccine before for hepatitis, yellow fever or anything like that then you should be 100% okay.'
'There is no reason to.think that Pfizer or any other vaccine is better than AZ now. I believe AZ's manufacturing quality was poor at the start but they've improved and now doses are coming from better EU manufacturing sites.'
'I'd advise everyone to take it if offered.'

PhilOssophy

Lets be real here - scandals like the Beacon hospital made the government pull the plug on anything other than being in a very at-risk category being prioritised.
Stephen Donnelly knows full well that the more arbitrary the system, the more of this BS and skull duggery he will have to answer questions on between now and the end of the process.
Clearly people involved in the process can't be trusted to act ethically or to do the right thing, so lets remove that grey area.
Hard to blame him to be fair.

Marty Bird

hmmm wrote: »

I think people are underestimating what incredible news this is. A complete game-changer. RTE haven't mentioned it have they?

The vaccines also seem to be handily dealing with known variants.

The news this week has been amazing - we're getting out of this once enough get vaccinated.

Hmmm I would normally be very up beat about this, but after hearing how we are handling it and what Hancock was saying about a 3rd jab I’m not as positive.

[Deleted User]

I don't think there is an issue with the new vaccine rollout plan.
As an emergency service worker I have no idea when I am getting the vaccine, nor do I really care, so long as they do it quickly and efficiently.

[Deleted User]

I've seen the planned easing of restrictions. Those múinteoirí related to the Beacon fiasco must feel righteous now as the government turns the Covid measures in their favour.

I think nepotistic behavior with vaccine sharing will increase if people who are vaccinated can return to "normalcy".

is_that_so

KrustyUCC wrote: »

True but I can imagine the outcry if the government went against NIAC advice

That advice has pushed out my first vaccine date but I can accept the advice

The NIAC advice is very clear and only identifies a couple of groups at risk in the population in general. One would get the impression the vested interests up in arms about it assumed this was a government decision that could be reversed.

Bridge93

Have they decided the order of ages once those at risk are done? I know there was talk of doing the younger cohort before the older once they got below under 50 if evidence showed the vaccine stops transmission. Given that's been shown to be largely true, whats the gameplan? Is it just chronological from 65-youngest or any nuance?

[Deleted User]

So basically, they ****ed up organising Cohort 4 and now have pushed them back down the list.

I was hoping to be vaccinated in the next six weeks or so, but it now looks like I'm back down to level 7 so can look forward to spending another summer stuck indoors, while case numbers remain high among those "at low risk" - but no reduced risk to me.

Great.

KrustyUCC

Bridge93 wrote: »

Have they decided the order of ages once those at risk are done? I know there was talk of doing the younger cohort before the older once they got below under 50 if evidence showed the vaccine stops transmission. Given that's been shown to be largely true, whats the gameplan? Is it just chronological from 65-youngest or any nuance?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1376991063680880642

That's the plan at the moment

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

So basically, they ****ed up organising Cohort 4 and now have pushed them back down the list.

I was hoping to be vaccinated in the next six weeks or so, but it now looks like I'm back down to level 7 so can look forward to spending another summer stuck indoors, while case numbers remain high - so no reduced risk to me.

Great.

How do you know you've switched groups? 6 weeks is not an unreasonable guess for Group 7 but all down to supplies.

RavenBea17b

Any updates about vaccine deliveries up and coming ? Need some good news, - please...

lbj666

Bridge93 wrote: »

Have they decided the order of ages once those at risk are done? I know there was talk of doing the younger cohort before the older once they got below under 50 if evidence showed the vaccine stops transmission. Given that's been shown to be largely true, whats the gameplan? Is it just chronological from 65-youngest or any nuance?

They are working from oldest down , 18-35 will not be prioritised.
There is a case to prioritise them.. but stats show 35-55 are clearly more at risk of severe illness. The prevention of transmission is the long way round way of preventing severe illness.
The other thing is any benefit in reducing transmission could easily or partially be undone by increased in activity unvacinated age groups , ie. kids teenager and the 35-55 gang.

namloc1980

TDs kicking off all over the place in the Dáil about the teachers not getting priority. This is going to be a joke for the next few weeks to be honest and quite possibly the unions will say teachers aren't going back after Easter unless they get prioritised. It's all very unseemly.

hmmm

Pfizer Biontech vaccine effective in kids 12-16.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/31/health/pfizer-biontech-vaccine-adolescents.html

18 infections in the placebo group, none in the vaccinated.
No significant side-effects
Adolescents are generating higher antibody levels than older people
Trial of 5 to 11 year olds now underway

stephenjmcd

Good news on BioNTech & Pfizer in the younger age groups.

Data to be peer reviewed and submitted to the FDA.

In a Phase 3 trial of 2,260 participants ages 12 to 15 in the US, the vaccine elicited strong antibody responses one month after the second dose -- exceeding those demonstrated in people ages 16 to 25 in previous trials, Pfizer reported.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1377212351468949504?s=20

Edit: hmmm got in there before me, this is excellent news

namloc1980

Mary Lou on the bandwagon now. This is going to get messy and they'll rile up the unions.

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Le Bruise

RavenBea17b wrote: »

Any updates about vaccine deliveries up and coming ? Need some good news, - please...

There has been loads of good news on here recently!!:)

But specific to vaccine deliveries:

Pfizer/BioNTech have raised their estimated supply from 2 billion to 2.5 billion for this year.

The EMA have authorised several new vaccine plants in the EU which will increase production capacity further. This includes the Halix plant which should help sort out the AZ shortfall.

J&J will begin deliveries from 18th April.

Ireland plan to have 6 million doses administered by end of July.

The end is nigh....in a good way!

Edit: Add in the news from Pfizer posted by Hmmm and Stephenjmcd too!

GLaDOS

Pfizer/BioNTech are bloody amazing.

giveitholly

namloc1980 wrote: »

TDs kicking off all over the place in the Dáil about the teachers not getting priority. This is going to be a joke for the next few weeks to be honest and quite possibly the unions will say teachers aren't going back after Easter unless they get prioritised. It's all very unseemly.

Are the teachers ever happy? A lot of them will be finishing up work in less than two months,they are all off again next week. Surely staff of supermarkets should have more of a gripe. Any teacher under 40 with no underlying condition should be quite happy to see people in the 40-65 bracket vaccinated before them

is_that_so

GLaDOS wrote: »

Pfizer/BioNTech are bloody amazing.

And have taken the title that AZ wanted, the vaccine that will save the world.

namloc1980

giveitholly wrote: »

Are the teachers ever happy? A lot of them will be finishing up work in less than two months,they are all off again next week. Surely staff of supermarkets should have more of a gripe. Any teacher under 40 with no underlying condition should be quite happy to see people in the 40-65 bracket vaccinated before them

Unfortunately retail staff don't have a powerful union, who have the government's ear, advocating for them.

hmmm

giveitholly wrote: »

Are the teachers ever happy? A lot of them will be finishing up work in less than two months,they are all off again next week. Surely staff of supermarkets should have more of a gripe. Any teacher under 40 with no underlying condition should be quite happy to see people in the 40-65 bracket vaccinated before them

As someone mentioned earlier, groups like meat factory workers are probably higher at risk. Either way the government is in a no-win situation with every group trying to get to the front of the line, and they can only rely on the medical advice.

I don't think opposition TDs should be using this to try and whip up social division as they know full well the problem the government faces.

is_that_so

hmmm wrote: »

As someone mentioned earlier, groups like meat factory workers are probably higher at risk. Either way the government is in a no-win situation with every group trying to get to the front of the line, and they can only rely on the medical advice.

I don't think opposition TDs should be using this to try and whip up social division as they know full well the problem the government faced.

It's Mary Lou and co, it's what they do! People out there believe it to be true so it's just playing to the gallery.

greenheep

While I wouldn't be too concerned with the risk of getting the Astra Zeneca vaccine one of the big issues would be that you need to wait the 12 weeks for the second dose to be fully vaccinated. That means a longer time to wait before you can avail of the vaccine "bonus" in terms of restrictions.

For example if I get my first does in June, the second dose + 2 week wait would mean I',m not fully vaccinated until Sept\Oct. Where as if I get the J&J in June then i'm good to go that same month in terms of travel (if vaccine passports come in), and meeting other vaccinated people indoors. I'll take it if no other option but will prefer J&J or mRNA, I think a lot of people will be the same.

goingnowhere

Pfizer/BioNTech also has revised the storage temperatures so are now reasonably practical for storage which was the biggest challenge.

Curevac if it gets approved will be the vaccine for all if it shows the same performance as Pfizer/BioNTech as its storage requirements are the same as AZ