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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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plodder wrote: »

Risk is also based on occupation. A teacher standing in front of 30 kids is at a lot more risk than a worker working from home.

What about factory worker, shop worker, meat plant, etc etc etc.
A 60 year old teacher and 60 year old checkout worker will get done at the same time.

With 1 million vaccines per month, a simple mass rollout by age is the easiest way. When over 70's and high risk are vaccinated many of the restrictions will be starting to ease so many of the rest will be returning to work.

Its what the UK , Israel etc are doing.

Truth is though, we could be giving a million doses a week and there would still be widespread complaints

Godot.

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

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I'd say April/May by the EMA approval is possible. Their clinical trials seem very long because they want to incorporate x amount of new varients. There's talk of the EMA possibly giving it emergency authorisation rather than conditional.

Dressoutlet

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Horsesh*t

Go cry into your cereal.

conor_mc

plodder wrote: »

Risk is also based on occupation. A teacher standing in front of 30 kids is at a lot more risk than a worker working from home.

At risk of what though? Risk of contracting Covid, or risk of ending up in hospital/ICU/dead with Covid?

One could argue that an obese 45yo worker working from home has a much higher risk of the latter compared to a 20-something fit and healthy teacher.

Ultimately, it has to come down to what the data tells us, and presumably (although would be good if they shared it) the data tells the govt that teachers are not particularly exposed to risk of hospitalisation with Covid on account of other mitigating attributes, ie age, good health, generally high activity levels, etc.

plodder

is_that_so wrote: »

If they've dealt with that risk to date and continue to do so, what's the problem? We're all at risk from this and we follow appropriate guidelines.

My daughter is a teacher, has asthma, and hasn't had the bug. I work from home, have no underlying conditions, had the bug, but I'm getting the vaccine now before she does.

Everyone keeps citing Denmark with their "digital identifier" as a reason why they are doing so well. I don't think it should be controversial to say if we had better IT systems linked to PPS numbers we would be able to filter out the people who need the vaccine soonest.

@conor_mc. Yes, I agree with your example. Someone who is known to the health system as clinically obese, then yes they should get it sooner as well.

Dressoutlet

plodder wrote: »

My daughter is a teacher, has asthma, and hasn't had the bug. I work from home, have no underlying conditions, had the bug, but I'm getting the vaccine now before she does.

Everyone keeps citing Denmark with their "digital identifier" as a reason why they are doing so well. I don't think it should be controversial to say if we had better IT systems linked to PPS numbers we would be able to filter out the people who need the vaccine soonest.

@conor_mc. Yes, I agree with your example. Someone who is known to the health system as clinically obese, then yes they should get it sooner as well.

Well clinically obese people are getting it sooner. An 18 year old with a bmi of 40 will be getting the vaccine before a 30 year old teacher.

noplacehere

Today is the day.... will the AstraZeneca arrive? Any word yet?

is_that_so

plodder wrote: »

My daughter is a teacher, has asthma, and hasn't had the bug. I work from home, have no underlying conditions, had the bug, but I'm getting the vaccine now before she does.

Everyone keeps citing Denmark with their "digital identifier" as a reason why they are doing so well. I don't think it should be controversial to say if we had better IT systems linked to PPS numbers we would be able to filter out the people who need the vaccine soonest.

@conor_mc. Yes, I agree with your example. Someone who is known to the health system as clinically obese, then yes they should get it sooner as well.

Isn't your daughter in Group 7? I know of someone with asthma who got COVID, to no great extent and recovered very well. The risk, as I understand it, is high only if you have severe asthma.

is_that_so

noplacehere wrote: »

Today is the day.... will the AstraZeneca arrive? Any word yet?

I thought it eventually became over the next week? The AZ guy here is talking up the " exciting coming weeks".

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/astrazeneca-executive-exciting-weeks-ahead-as-state-to-get-large-deliveries-1.4521286

eoinbn

Godot. wrote: »

I'd say April/May by the EMA approval is possible. Their clinical trials seem very long because they want to incorporate x amount of new varients. There's talk of the EMA possibly giving it emergency authorisation rather than conditional.

There is zero chance of it happening in April. That piece is a few weeks old and the claims are refuted in by Curevac themselves in the same article. Curevac are still saying June for approval.
Production also seems to be an issue. I have read that they won't have decent quantities until Q4. The Germans aren't happy with Curevac as they gave them hundreds of millions last year and have nothing to show for it.
Curevac seem to be poorly managed. Their trials are taking far longer than anyone else and they still have no significant production. I do wonder if the long trials are just a smoke screen for their inability to manufacture the product.

3mom4

Totally, totally gutted again, rang my GP as cohort 4. They are still saying that they have not been asked about cohort 4. GPs are on annual leave this week. (Guessing this rules them out of the opt in programme anyway). Refused to put me on any list as a list for referral doesn't exist.

I just do not know where to turn anymore and have lost every shred of hope.

ACitizenErased

3mom4 wrote: »

Totally, totally gutted again, rang my GP as cohort 4. They are still saying that they have not been asked about cohort 4. GPs are on annual leave this week. (Guessing this rules them out of the opt in programme anyway). Refused to put me on any list as a list for referral doesn't exist.

I just do not know where to turn anymore and have lost every shred of hope.

Have you seen a consultant? Hospitals are leading this, not GPs. It's opt-in for GPs.

Wolf359f

is_that_so wrote: »

I thought it eventually became over the next week? The AZ guy here is talking up the " exciting coming weeks".

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/astrazeneca-executive-exciting-weeks-ahead-as-state-to-get-large-deliveries-1.4521286

Anything better than the past 2 weeks would be exciting. Deliveries averaged like 10k over the past 2 weeks.

3mom4

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Have you seen a consultant? Hospitals are leading this, not GPs. It's opt-in for GPs.

I have no consultant.

Hector Savage

Anyone know the rough breakdown in the UK of vacciness administered by type ? moderna, AZ etc ?

is_that_so

Wolf359f wrote: »

Anything better than the past 2 weeks would be exciting. Deliveries averaged like 10k over the past 2 weeks.

This is why we draw comfort from the vaccinations done daily with Pfizer!

Apogee

Sunday: 2,635. Mon-Sun: 123,501. They've updated the infographic to include breakdown of Dose 1 and 2 again for each Cohort.

is_that_so

3mom4 wrote: »

I have no consultant.

Call HSE Live?

https://www2.hse.ie/services/contact-the-hse/

seamus

seansouth36 wrote: »

The idea that potential vaccinators would need to show their Leaving Cert results is at once totally insane and completely unsurprising. Why in God's name would that be relevant?

Public Sector recruitment!

"We compiled a large list of boxes to be ticked, and absolutely everyone must tick all of them otherwise it would be unfair to the other people who did tick them all".

If you apply for a senior position in the public sector that requires degrees and decades of experience, they will still ask for your Leaving Cert results and won't process your application until they have them or a satisfactory reason why they can't be supplied.

noplacehere

is_that_so wrote: »

I thought it eventually became over the next week? The AZ guy here is talking up the " exciting coming weeks".

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/astrazeneca-executive-exciting-weeks-ahead-as-state-to-get-large-deliveries-1.4521286

I thought if they missed the 31st then they miss the Q1 amount

noplacehere

is_that_so wrote: »

I thought it eventually became over the next week? The AZ guy here is talking up the " exciting coming weeks".

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/astrazeneca-executive-exciting-weeks-ahead-as-state-to-get-large-deliveries-1.4521286

I thought if they missed the 31st then they miss the Q1 amount

is_that_so

noplacehere wrote: »

I thought if they missed the 31st then they miss the Q1 amount

I'm sure someone will find a way to tag it on. It's supposedly promised from that Italian stash!

Sanjuro

Apogee wrote: »

Sunday: 2,635. Mon-Sun: 123,501. They've updated the infographic to include breakdown of Dose 1 and 2 again for each Cohort.

123,471 vaccines administered last week. Good to see the weekly numbers rising.

namloc1980

Just heard an updated HSE ad on Newstalk. Saying 3 million doses will be administered by the end of May with 6 million by the end of June! 3 million alone in June?

josip

is_that_so wrote: »

I thought it eventually became over the next week? The AZ guy here is talking up the " exciting coming weeks".

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/astrazeneca-executive-exciting-weeks-ahead-as-state-to-get-large-deliveries-1.4521286

You know what day tomorrow is?

is_that_so

josip wrote: »

You know what day tomorrow is?

Yep, he's just being a bit of an enthusiastic bunny!

josip

seamus wrote: »

Public Sector recruitment!

"We compiled a large list of boxes to be ticked, and absolutely everyone must tick all of them otherwise it would be unfair to the other people who did tick them all".

If you apply for a senior position in the public sector that requires degrees and decades of experience, they will still ask for your Leaving Cert results and won't process your application until they have them or a satisfactory reason why they can't be supplied.

They would also be undermining all those parents in the history of the state who encouraged their children to get the best Leaving Cert they could so that they might get a job in the Civil Service.

PhoenixParker

namloc1980 wrote: »

Just heard an updated HSE ad on Newstalk. Saying 3 million doses will be administered by the end of May with 6 million by the end of June! 3 million alone in June?

That’s been roughly the plan for weeks now.

astrofool

josip wrote: »

They would also be undermining all those parents in the history of the state who encouraged their children to get the best Leaving Cert they could so that they might get a job in the Civil Service.

i.e. bureaucrats being bureaucrats

Beasty

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