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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Dressoutlet

plodder wrote: »

My daughter is a teacher, has asthma, and hasn't had the bug. I work from home, have no underlying conditions, had the bug, but I'm getting the vaccine now before she does.

Everyone keeps citing Denmark with their "digital identifier" as a reason why they are doing so well. I don't think it should be controversial to say if we had better IT systems linked to PPS numbers we would be able to filter out the people who need the vaccine soonest.

@conor_mc. Yes, I agree with your example. Someone who is known to the health system as clinically obese, then yes they should get it sooner as well.

Well clinically obese people are getting it sooner. An 18 year old with a bmi of 40 will be getting the vaccine before a 30 year old teacher.

plodder

is_that_so wrote: »

If they've dealt with that risk to date and continue to do so, what's the problem? We're all at risk from this and we follow appropriate guidelines.

My daughter is a teacher, has asthma, and hasn't had the bug. I work from home, have no underlying conditions, had the bug, but I'm getting the vaccine now before she does.

Everyone keeps citing Denmark with their "digital identifier" as a reason why they are doing so well. I don't think it should be controversial to say if we had better IT systems linked to PPS numbers we would be able to filter out the people who need the vaccine soonest.

@conor_mc. Yes, I agree with your example. Someone who is known to the health system as clinically obese, then yes they should get it sooner as well.

conor_mc

plodder wrote: »

Risk is also based on occupation. A teacher standing in front of 30 kids is at a lot more risk than a worker working from home.

At risk of what though? Risk of contracting Covid, or risk of ending up in hospital/ICU/dead with Covid?

One could argue that an obese 45yo worker working from home has a much higher risk of the latter compared to a 20-something fit and healthy teacher.

Ultimately, it has to come down to what the data tells us, and presumably (although would be good if they shared it) the data tells the govt that teachers are not particularly exposed to risk of hospitalisation with Covid on account of other mitigating attributes, ie age, good health, generally high activity levels, etc.

Dressoutlet

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Horsesh*t

Go cry into your cereal.

Godot.

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

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I'd say April/May by the EMA approval is possible. Their clinical trials seem very long because they want to incorporate x amount of new varients. There's talk of the EMA possibly giving it emergency authorisation rather than conditional.

[Deleted User]

plodder wrote: »

Risk is also based on occupation. A teacher standing in front of 30 kids is at a lot more risk than a worker working from home.

What about factory worker, shop worker, meat plant, etc etc etc.
A 60 year old teacher and 60 year old checkout worker will get done at the same time.

With 1 million vaccines per month, a simple mass rollout by age is the easiest way. When over 70's and high risk are vaccinated many of the restrictions will be starting to ease so many of the rest will be returning to work.

Its what the UK , Israel etc are doing.

Truth is though, we could be giving a million doses a week and there would still be widespread complaints

is_that_so

plodder wrote: »

Risk is also based on occupation. A teacher standing in front of 30 kids is at a lot more risk than a worker working from home.

If they've dealt with that risk to date and continue to do so, what's the problem? We're all at risk from this and we follow appropriate guidelines.

plodder

Deleted User wrote: »

Great theory except

Risk is also based on occupation. A teacher standing in front of 30 kids is at a lot more risk than a worker working from home.

[Deleted User]

plodder wrote: »

But people object to everything. It's not an excuse to do anything other than the right thing.

It seems to me that the change to the vaccine priorities yesterday was largely (or at least partly) due to their inability to identify the high risk cohort. Yet another instance (like the arbitrary 5km travel limit) where only the crudest and bluntest of measures seem to work in this country.

It's strange how little commentary there has been on the change yesterday. They made such a song and dance about it being based exclusively on clinical risk, but now it's not. Kingston Mills (rightly) seems to be the only person questioning it.

I think there would be widespread support for a more comprehensive capturing of data that could inform and direct activities like this. But, there would have to be a proper legal framework behind it.

Great theory except

The National Vaccination Programme is to be changed to an age-based system, once those aged 70 years and older, the vulnerable and people with underlying conditions are immunised.

plodder

crossman47 wrote: »

I presume the PPSN is such a unique personal identifier? I think the issue is that what it is used for should have an appropriate legal basis with safeguards etc.

So, if you want to use the PPSN as the key for a database of high risk medical conditions then you are upfront about it, in terms of how the database is stored and how it is combined with other data. Then you have to get GPs etc to actually provide the data. I doubt many reasonable people would object to that.

The problem with the Public Services Card was they tried to bring it in by stealth and by essentially bullying social welfare recipients (to begin with) into accepting it.

I agree in part but you say not many reasonable people would object. Unfortunately there are a lot of unreasonable people who would.

But people object to everything. It's not an excuse to do anything other than the right thing.

It seems to me that the change to the vaccine priorities yesterday was largely (or at least partly) due to their inability to identify the high risk cohort. Yet another instance (like the arbitrary 5km travel limit) where only the crudest and bluntest of measures seem to work in this country.

It's strange how little commentary there has been on the change yesterday. They made such a song and dance about it being based exclusively on clinical risk, but now it's not. Kingston Mills (rightly) seems to be the only person questioning it.

I think there would be widespread support for a more comprehensive capturing of data that could inform and direct activities like this. But, there would have to be a proper legal framework behind it.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

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German chemical company Wacker's head Christian Hartel, whose company will produce the CureVac vaccines, told Frankfurter Rundschau, a German newspaper, that the European Medicines Agency (EMA) may approve the product before the beginning of May.

According to the company, that is much earlier than had been planned, and therefore it wants to start producing vaccines in the first half of 2021, and reach full production capacity in July.

If all goes to plan, 100 million doses of the vaccine will come off the line a year in the German company alone, Frankfurter Rundschau wrote.

The European market could also be supplied with CureVac vaccines made by the German pharmaceutical concern Bayer and Switzerland’s Novartis.

Frankfurter Rundschau praised the idea of Wacker producing the vaccine. "There are talks of serious side effects from the vaccine (AstraZeneca),” it wrote. “None of this has yet been proven. But still: a different vaccine on the market would help a lot."

Hartel went on to claim that his company could even double production to 200 million doses per year.

The EMA began an accelerated assessment of the CureVac vaccine in mid-February. However, the Tubingen-based biotechnology company responsible for developing the vaccine expects that the process will not be completed by the end of the second quarter (end of June). The assessment process has been complicated by the emergence of new virus variants.

The contract, struck between the European Commission and CureVac in November 2020, provides for the production of 225 million doses, with an option of an additional 180 million. The vaccine is based on mRNA technology, similar to the BioNTech-Pfizer and Moderna products.

seansouth36

Corholio wrote: »

Hopefully the archaic recruitment of vaccinators doesn't slow anything up. Doctors requiring Leaving Cert results on their application forms, and really long forms at that according to people who have signed up. This is not being 'negative' by the way for those who only want pre-emptive joyous news, just a concern and hope it's done right.

The idea that potential vaccinators would need to show their Leaving Cert results is at once totally insane and completely unsurprising. Why in God's name would that be relevant?

[Deleted User]

Dressoutlet wrote: »

Is anyone else absolutely buzzing.
CDC saying vaccinated people stop transmission is literally going to sicken many of the brainwashed Cult members. But most importantly, it means this is over. Its only a matter of time! I could cry with so many different emotions

Horsesh*t

Sanjuro

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Chatting to a friend in the US.

He was out doing his shopping in a supermarket with a pharmacy attached. The pharmacist was rounding up shoppers to take spare doses of the Pfizer vaccine.

Apparently it happens every day.

So he got his first dose and an appointment in 3 weeks for the second.

Picturing the day we walk down Moore Street to the sounds of hawkers calling out "GET YIZZER VACCINES! PHIZER, MODERNA, ASTRAZENICA GOIN' CHEAP!"

Deeper Blue

Qrt wrote: »

Quick reminder that this isn't over until it's over in the developing world too. Otherwise we'll just keep getting new variants again and again.

Numerous studies suggest the vaccines work against all the variants so I wouldn't be overly concerned

Strazdas

Dressoutlet wrote: »

Is anyone else absolutely buzzing.
CDC saying vaccinated people stop transmission is literally going to sicken many of the brainwashed Cult members. But most importantly, it means this is over. Its only a matter of time! I could cry with so many different emotions

Definitely : the forecasts announced today for Irish vaccine numbers are much higher and happening quicker than anyone had possibly anticipated, even a couple of weeks ago. Also, the fact that Irish take up is extremely high is most encouraging.

Corholio

Hopefully the archaic recruitment of vaccinators doesn't slow anything up. Doctors requiring Leaving Cert results on their application forms, and really long forms at that according to people who have signed up. This is not being 'negative' by the way for those who only want pre-emptive joyous news, just a concern and hope it's done right.

Micky 32

Qrt wrote: »

Quick reminder that this isn't over until it's over in the developing world too. Otherwise we'll just keep getting new variants again and again.

I know, we must be very mindful not to get in the way of any misery of this going on for as long as possible. :pac:

Qrt

Quick reminder that this isn't over until it's over in the developing world too. Otherwise we'll just keep getting new variants again and again.

Padre_Pio

Chatting to a friend in the US.

He was out doing his shopping in a supermarket with a pharmacy attached. The pharmacist was rounding up shoppers to take spare doses of the Pfizer vaccine.

Apparently it happens every day.

So he got his first dose and an appointment in 3 weeks for the second.

nocoverart

dominatinMC wrote: »

I think this was the first time since all of this kicked off that we were told people could meet inside without distancing or masks. That light is getting closer.

Never mind the light getting closer, I want the pints getting closer and I want them all now:) I’m drooling over here.

Jinglejangle69

Dressoutlet wrote: »

Is anyone else absolutely buzzing.
CDC saying vaccinated people stop transmission is literally going to sicken many of the brainwashed Cult members. But most importantly, it means this is over. Its only a matter of time! I could cry with so many different emotions

AZ vaccine reports a bit worrying.

But yeah agree. Reasons to be hopeful.

Morby

Has anyone here been invited to attend to get the vaccine via text and had to reschedule?

The text says to reply saying reschedule but I haven't received any response, is this normal?

How long til you can get a reschedule?

Thanks!

hynesie08

Dressoutlet wrote: »

Is anyone else absolutely buzzing.
CDC saying vaccinated people stop transmission is literally going to sicken many of the brainwashed Cult members. But most importantly, it means this is over. Its only a matter of time! I could cry with so many different emotions

I understand how people are upset with restrictions and reopening and what not, I am to.

But the numbers being vaccinated, the efficiency, New plants, new vaccines, and yes the much fabled "ramp up"......... ****ing love it.

noplacehere

Dressoutlet wrote: »

Is anyone else absolutely buzzing.
CDC saying vaccinated people stop transmission is literally going to sicken many of the brainwashed Cult members. But most importantly, it means this is over. Its only a matter of time! I could cry with so many different emotions

This has been the best day in the longest time. The news just keeps getting better and better and better. The text with my vaccine booking for VHRisk was just the icing on the cake. It finally feels like the end is coming and I can just **** off to the west of ireland for the weekend with the kids when I feel like instead of stressing that they’ll bring it home from school and missing my parents like crazy!

Dressoutlet

Is anyone else absolutely buzzing.
CDC saying vaccinated people stop transmission is literally going to sicken many of the brainwashed Cult members. But most importantly, it means this is over. Its only a matter of time! I could cry with so many different emotions

charlie14

eagle eye wrote: »

No, because they would just ignore it.

Each too their own, but I would have taken that as them just talking shlte and told them so.

3mom4

Dressoutlet wrote: »

From a GP I follow on Instagram

Wondering from this...are GPs being asked to vaccinate remaining cohort 4 or compile lists for referral?

At least there is something in terms of communication!

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

We need and i mean need no more **** ups with Vaccines and Vaccines supply

then again we have the HSE running it here and they will find a way to **** it up

System crashing
a fridge been turned off
someone ****ing up in the shipping/ordering department

How does the system crashing affect jabs in arms? First I've heard of it as well, any more details?

The fridge being turned off was a **** up, but affected less than 100 out of 800k vaccines.

I don't even know what that third bit means.

You really are a negative person, and I think you're secretly enjoying the delay, because it gives you something to be miserable about.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Will we be jabbing with the 100,000 Halix doses next week? Seems to be a wall of silence since the EMA approved the plant. They were already filled and finished in Italy... wonder what the hold up is.