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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Micky 32

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1376972312487006219?s=21

eoinbn

hynesie08 wrote: »

Gotta remember that when AZ first doses are done, you can reduce the timeframe for second doses and your entire supply becomes dose 2.

It won't be 12 weeks from last first dose to last second, it'll potentially be 6 weeks.

AZ are saying they a gap of 12 weeks is optimal for efficacy so it might be counter productive. The US trials showed 76% efficacy with a 4 week gap. AZ claim 82% with a 12 week gap.
The point I am making here is that it won't be a lack of supply that limits our efforts in July. We will likely have access to more vaccines in July that June but we might not need them.

Economics101

Given the overwhelming increase in risk of serious illness and death correlated with age, I can see why the HSE is going with an age-related strategy instead of occupation, etc. However the correlation with age weakens quite a lot once you get down to 40-45. At that stage it might be worth considering reversing the order and start on the 16-20, 21-25, etc, as these age groups are less likely to socially distance. Among the young it is quite likely that behaviour and occupation are factors which should be taken into account in determining vaccination priority.

hynesie08

eoinbn wrote: »

Lack of people to vaccinate. Anyone that gets AZ in May/June will need to wait until August/September for the second dose. If AZ deliver that will be hundreds of thousands of people. Couple that with 1m people getting J&J in Q2 + July and you run out of adults. It is likely we will be vaccinating teenagers at that stage but that isn't official.

Gotta remember that when AZ first doses are done, you can reduce the timeframe for second doses and your entire supply becomes dose 2.

It won't be 12 weeks from last first dose to last second, it'll potentially be 6 weeks.

namloc1980

JTMan wrote: »

Austria in talks to buy a million doses of Russia's Sputnik V vaccine according to this Reuters report.

Hungary (deployed), Slovakia and Italian region of Campania (will deploy after EMA approval) have also purchased. Czech Republic in talks too.

Meanwhile, Russia has only inoculated a tiny potion of their population and is reliant on imports to meet domestic supply but yet wants to supply the EU.

The Slovakian government collapsed over the way the Russian vaccine was procured.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.euronews.com/amp/2021/03/28/slovakia-s-prime-minister-to-step-down-amid-sputnik-v-vaccine-scandal

PhilOssophy

Carefree88 wrote: »

Not impressive in my opinion

Its still only 60% vaccinated end of July

UK almost at that now, as are Chile, USA too, Israel way past it

4 months for us to do it, poor supply still

UK nowhere near 60% fully vaccinated and still playing with fire regarding the introduction of variants, etc with the longer gap between the jabs.

I think fair play to our lads, at least they sticking to the best practices and clinical trials regarding our vaccine. Politically the UK approach looks good, that's about it

GazzaL

crossman47 wrote: »

After a year you still don't understand that NPHET is not responsible for running testing or tracing or vaccinations.

Have another read of my post again before you start posting nonsense.

crossman47

GazzaL wrote: »

NPHET/HSE have missed almost every single target for testing, contact tracing, and vaccinations since this whole thing began.

They set these conservative targets themselves and still failed to hit them.

The most incompetent organisation in Ireland is de facto running the country, and level 5 lockdown is the only tool they want to use to tackle the problem because it means they don't have to get anything right and they'll stay on the gravy train.

After a year you still don't understand that NPHET is not responsible for running testing or tracing or vaccinations.

GazzaL

NPHET/HSE have missed almost every single target for testing, contact tracing, and vaccinations since this whole thing began.

They set these conservative targets themselves and still failed to hit them.

The most incompetent organisation in Ireland is de facto running the country, and level 5 lockdown is the only tool they want to use to tackle the problem because it means they don't have to get anything right and they'll stay on the gravy train.

CrabRevolution

It's good news that they're moving to a solely age based system. It would have been an absolute disaster to prioritise and administer cohorts using the previously suggested categories.

Categories like working or living in crowded accommodation, services vital to society etc. would have been an utter nightmare to populate.

I'd say the newspapers and liveline producers are sickened though. It was shaping up to be a goldmine of "My neighbour got a vaccine but since I have an extension on my house I didn't get one", or "I bravely face a 99.9% chance of death every day going in to work but have no vaccine".

JTMan

Austria in talks to buy a million doses of Russia's Sputnik V vaccine according to this Reuters report.

Hungary (deployed), Slovakia and Italian region of Campania (will deploy after EMA approval) have also purchased. Czech Republic in talks too.

Meanwhile, Russia has only inoculated a tiny potion of their population and is reliant on imports to meet domestic supply but yet wants to supply the EU.

eoinbn

Carefree88 wrote: »

Good spot

Even more reasons not to trust it

Why would supply go down from June - July?

May - June, 2 miilion doses, June-July 1 million doses

Lack of people to vaccinate. Anyone that gets AZ in May/June will need to wait until August/September for the second dose. If AZ deliver that will be hundreds of thousands of people. Couple that with 1m people getting J&J in Q2 + July and you run out of adults. It is likely we will be vaccinating teenagers at that stage but that isn't official.

Wolf359f

Cork2021 wrote: »

60% fully vaccinated?
Uk nowhere near 60% fully vaccinated

Worth nothing there's a difference obviously between given a dose and fully vaccinated and another being comparing % of the population given a jab with % of adults given a jab.

landofthetree

Carefree88 wrote: »

Not impressive in my opinion

Its still only 60% vaccinated end of July

UK almost at that now, as are Chile, USA too, Israel way past it

4 months for us to do it, poor supply still

Have you factored in the J and J is only 1 dose?

[Deleted User]

Carefree88 wrote: »

Good spot

Even more reasons not to trust it

Why would supply go down from June - July?

May - June, 2 miilion doses, June-July 1 million doses

It'll start getting harder to identify who's next and things will start to taper down.

GazzaL

Carefree88 wrote: »

Not impressive in my opinion

Its still only 60% vaccinated end of July

UK almost at that now, as are Chile, USA too, Israel way past it

4 months for us to do it, poor supply still

What's the rush? NPHET, the HSE, and the politicians will all get paid in full regardless of how long it takes. There is no rush whatsoever. Social and economic consequences are of no concern.

Apogee

Carefree88 wrote: »

Not impressive in my opinion

Its still only 60% vaccinated end of July

UK almost at that now, as are Chile, USA too, Israel way past it

4 months for us to do it, poor supply still

It's ~55% fully vaccinated by end of June.

Cork2021

Carefree88 wrote: »

Not impressive in my opinion

Its still only 60% vaccinated end of July

UK almost at that now, as are Chile, USA too, Israel way past it

4 months for us to do it, poor supply still

60% fully vaccinated?
Uk nowhere near 60% fully vaccinated

is_that_so

Strazdas wrote: »

That's actually well ahead of recent forecasts - they were talking about only 3m doses or so by the end of June only a month or two ago.

All of these projections need a stern health warning with them. I'd trust Pfizer, hope that J&J don't run into production issues, accept that Moderna is Q3 and wonder what kind of an order AZ will deliver. Just 28% of total so far this quarter. We won't hit these targets with that.

Strazdas

irishlad. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1376946565668073474

That's actually well ahead of recent forecasts - they were talking about only 3m doses or so by the end of June only a month or two ago.

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irishlad. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1376946565668073474

Yeah, right.

irishlad.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1376946565668073474

Jane1012

noplacehere wrote: »

I got my text!!! Vaccine April 1st. I actually bawled crying with relief. I’m very high risk. Surprisingly i was identified through Blanchardstown where I’ve was discharged in the asthma clinic several years ago (moved hospital) and not my current consultant. However I have gone through A and E for asthma there a number of times. It’s AstraZeneca but so long as it’s not saline I could not care less

Great news!

noplacehere

I got my text!!! Vaccine April 1st. I actually bawled crying with relief. I’m very high risk. Surprisingly i was identified through Blanchardstown where I’ve was discharged in the asthma clinic several years ago (moved hospital) and not my current consultant. However I have gone through A and E for asthma there a number of times. It’s AstraZeneca but so long as it’s not saline I could not care less

eagle eye

astrofool wrote:

There's probably about 60M people who've taken AZ (probably more). The number of blood clot issues has so far been no higher than the number of blood clot issues in people who didn't take the vaccine in the same timeframe (i.e. over the next 7 day period).

Well thanks for that reply.

Necro

Mod:

Can we move on from the AZ and blood clots discussion, there's a thread here where you can discuss the issue. Cheers

astrofool

eagle eye wrote: »

You are entitled to your opinion just as I'm entitled to mine.
I'm high risk and an essential worker so I'll have two ways of getting it very soon.
I don't mind paying for it privately either.
And I'm willing to wait until I get what I want. I rarely drink, I don't often spend time in crowded areas either. It's not like it's going to change much for me other be than that I'll be highly unlikely to contract it but it's no it's not that hard to avoid it anyways.

This conversation got weird, so I went back and got your original post, which was worded in quite an inflammatory way of asking a question and then basing a negative answer on the question, which I'm sure you know better than:

eagle eye wrote: »

How many people have taken AZ, how many blood clots, is it over 11 million with blood clots?
At this stage I think I'll avoid AZ. I'm sure I can manage to be unable to make it until it's some other vaccine they are offering.
There's just too much of this stuff going on.

There's probably about 60M people who've taken AZ (probably more). The number of blood clot issues has so far been no higher than the number of blood clot issues in people who didn't take the vaccine in the same timeframe (i.e. over the next 7 day period).

The number of people effected has been very very very low, I wouldn't have any hesitation myself taking the vaccine as a healthy person not on the at risk lists.

We could break the post down line by line, but it's probably not worth it.

eagle eye

Frank Bullitt wrote:

I am of the mind that anyone who refuses a vaccine should be put to the back of the line.

You are entitled to your opinion just as I'm entitled to mine.
I'm high risk and an essential worker so I'll have two ways of getting it very soon.
I don't mind paying for it privately either.
And I'm willing to wait until I get what I want. I rarely drink, I don't often spend time in crowded areas either. It's not like it's going to change much for me other be than that I'll be highly unlikely to contract it but it's no it's not that hard to avoid it anyways.

Frank Bullitt

namloc1980 wrote: »

People are perfectly entitled to make their own choices on the vaccine. Not your place to judge.

I'm not judging, just pointing out the privilege on show here by refusing a vaccine. Having the choice to even do that when some have no clue when they might even get it, or those would have lost family and would have loved for them to get a vaccine.

It's a spit in the face to many.

Hmmzis

PhilOssophy wrote: »

The risk of blood clots are probably equivalent to a long-haul flight. I wonder how many people have ever not taken a long-haul flight because of the risk of a blood clot?

Would have to be much less to pass phase 3 trials. Long haul flight related blood clots are quite common (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1906644/). In the latest trial in the US they looked specifically at clotting events and found nothing in a little over 40k injections (20k+ participants x 2 doses). Blood clots in general are common and some medications can increase this risk further (heparin, contraceptive pills, etc.). Disentangling all that to find out if there is an increased risk from vaccination or a particular vaccine specifically is actually rather difficult. It's prudent to do keep an eye on the numbers and ask to be on the lookout though.