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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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bennyineire

PhilOssophy wrote: »

The risk of blood clots are probably equivalent to a long-haul flight. I wonder how many people have ever not taken a long-haul flight because of the risk of a blood clot?

Actually far less so, the odds on an ultra long haul flight are around 10,000/1

bennyineire

CruelSummer wrote: »

To be honest, I'm pro vaccine but I do not feel comfortable taking the Astra Zeneca vaccine at the moment. There was an article in The Guardian stating the incidence of these clotting events and may be more like 1 per 100,000 or even less in the relevant age groups for the reaction.
Would it make any sense to stop giving it to women under 55, and continue giving it men in this age bracket. Plus the over 65's also.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/mar/30/coronavirus-live-news-who-to-present-china-mission-findings-canada-pauses-astrazeneca-vaccine-for-under-55s

I assume by that logic you wouldn't be comfortable with long haul flights so as they have much higher (proven) odds for blood clots https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1989755/

RavenBea17b

eagle eye wrote: »

How many people have taken AZ, how many blood clots, is it over 11 million with blood clots?
At this stage I think I'll avoid AZ. I'm sure I can manage to be unable to make it until it's some other vaccine they are offering.
There's just too much of this stuff going on.

Evidence of AZ 11 million please. Come on, evidence. Or perhaps you are just making it up!

CruelSummer

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1376920934448300039?s=20

But is it fair to say Wales used this vaccine mostly on people over 65 to date?

CruelSummer

bennyineire wrote: »

I assume by that logic you wouldn't be comfortable with long haul flights so as they have much higher (proven) odds for blood clots https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1989755/

Long haul flight blood clots are not what is occurring with Astrazeneca vaccine. It is a blood platelet issue, an antibody response to the vaccine causing a clot on the brain. This is not the same and should not be equated as such. We all want the vaccination campaign to be a success. I'm not comfortable with 31 cases from Germany, Canada suspending it also for this age-group.

ShyMets

RavenBea17b wrote: »

Evidence of AZ 11 million please. Come on, evidence. Or perhaps you are just making it up!

Going on previous posts he's asking 'for a friend'

Hmmzis

PhilOssophy wrote: »

The risk of blood clots are probably equivalent to a long-haul flight. I wonder how many people have ever not taken a long-haul flight because of the risk of a blood clot?

Would have to be much less to pass phase 3 trials. Long haul flight related blood clots are quite common (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1906644/). In the latest trial in the US they looked specifically at clotting events and found nothing in a little over 40k injections (20k+ participants x 2 doses). Blood clots in general are common and some medications can increase this risk further (heparin, contraceptive pills, etc.). Disentangling all that to find out if there is an increased risk from vaccination or a particular vaccine specifically is actually rather difficult. It's prudent to do keep an eye on the numbers and ask to be on the lookout though.

Frank Bullitt

namloc1980 wrote: »

People are perfectly entitled to make their own choices on the vaccine. Not your place to judge.

I'm not judging, just pointing out the privilege on show here by refusing a vaccine. Having the choice to even do that when some have no clue when they might even get it, or those would have lost family and would have loved for them to get a vaccine.

It's a spit in the face to many.

eagle eye

Frank Bullitt wrote:

I am of the mind that anyone who refuses a vaccine should be put to the back of the line.

You are entitled to your opinion just as I'm entitled to mine.
I'm high risk and an essential worker so I'll have two ways of getting it very soon.
I don't mind paying for it privately either.
And I'm willing to wait until I get what I want. I rarely drink, I don't often spend time in crowded areas either. It's not like it's going to change much for me other be than that I'll be highly unlikely to contract it but it's no it's not that hard to avoid it anyways.

astrofool

eagle eye wrote: »

You are entitled to your opinion just as I'm entitled to mine.
I'm high risk and an essential worker so I'll have two ways of getting it very soon.
I don't mind paying for it privately either.
And I'm willing to wait until I get what I want. I rarely drink, I don't often spend time in crowded areas either. It's not like it's going to change much for me other be than that I'll be highly unlikely to contract it but it's no it's not that hard to avoid it anyways.

This conversation got weird, so I went back and got your original post, which was worded in quite an inflammatory way of asking a question and then basing a negative answer on the question, which I'm sure you know better than:

eagle eye wrote: »

How many people have taken AZ, how many blood clots, is it over 11 million with blood clots?
At this stage I think I'll avoid AZ. I'm sure I can manage to be unable to make it until it's some other vaccine they are offering.
There's just too much of this stuff going on.

There's probably about 60M people who've taken AZ (probably more). The number of blood clot issues has so far been no higher than the number of blood clot issues in people who didn't take the vaccine in the same timeframe (i.e. over the next 7 day period).

The number of people effected has been very very very low, I wouldn't have any hesitation myself taking the vaccine as a healthy person not on the at risk lists.

We could break the post down line by line, but it's probably not worth it.

Necro

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Can we move on from the AZ and blood clots discussion, there's a thread here where you can discuss the issue. Cheers

eagle eye

astrofool wrote:

There's probably about 60M people who've taken AZ (probably more). The number of blood clot issues has so far been no higher than the number of blood clot issues in people who didn't take the vaccine in the same timeframe (i.e. over the next 7 day period).

Well thanks for that reply.

noplacehere

I got my text!!! Vaccine April 1st. I actually bawled crying with relief. I’m very high risk. Surprisingly i was identified through Blanchardstown where I’ve was discharged in the asthma clinic several years ago (moved hospital) and not my current consultant. However I have gone through A and E for asthma there a number of times. It’s AstraZeneca but so long as it’s not saline I could not care less

Jane1012

noplacehere wrote: »

I got my text!!! Vaccine April 1st. I actually bawled crying with relief. I’m very high risk. Surprisingly i was identified through Blanchardstown where I’ve was discharged in the asthma clinic several years ago (moved hospital) and not my current consultant. However I have gone through A and E for asthma there a number of times. It’s AstraZeneca but so long as it’s not saline I could not care less

Great news!

irishlad.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1376946565668073474

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irishlad. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1376946565668073474

Yeah, right.

Strazdas

irishlad. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1376946565668073474

That's actually well ahead of recent forecasts - they were talking about only 3m doses or so by the end of June only a month or two ago.

is_that_so

Strazdas wrote: »

That's actually well ahead of recent forecasts - they were talking about only 3m doses or so by the end of June only a month or two ago.

All of these projections need a stern health warning with them. I'd trust Pfizer, hope that J&J don't run into production issues, accept that Moderna is Q3 and wonder what kind of an order AZ will deliver. Just 28% of total so far this quarter. We won't hit these targets with that.

Cork2021

Carefree88 wrote: »

Not impressive in my opinion

Its still only 60% vaccinated end of July

UK almost at that now, as are Chile, USA too, Israel way past it

4 months for us to do it, poor supply still

60% fully vaccinated?
Uk nowhere near 60% fully vaccinated

Apogee

Carefree88 wrote: »

Not impressive in my opinion

Its still only 60% vaccinated end of July

UK almost at that now, as are Chile, USA too, Israel way past it

4 months for us to do it, poor supply still

It's ~55% fully vaccinated by end of June.

GazzaL

Carefree88 wrote: »

Not impressive in my opinion

Its still only 60% vaccinated end of July

UK almost at that now, as are Chile, USA too, Israel way past it

4 months for us to do it, poor supply still

What's the rush? NPHET, the HSE, and the politicians will all get paid in full regardless of how long it takes. There is no rush whatsoever. Social and economic consequences are of no concern.

[Deleted User]

Carefree88 wrote: »

Good spot

Even more reasons not to trust it

Why would supply go down from June - July?

May - June, 2 miilion doses, June-July 1 million doses

It'll start getting harder to identify who's next and things will start to taper down.

landofthetree

Carefree88 wrote: »

Not impressive in my opinion

Its still only 60% vaccinated end of July

UK almost at that now, as are Chile, USA too, Israel way past it

4 months for us to do it, poor supply still

Have you factored in the J and J is only 1 dose?

Wolf359f

Cork2021 wrote: »

60% fully vaccinated?
Uk nowhere near 60% fully vaccinated

Worth nothing there's a difference obviously between given a dose and fully vaccinated and another being comparing % of the population given a jab with % of adults given a jab.

eoinbn

Carefree88 wrote: »

Good spot

Even more reasons not to trust it

Why would supply go down from June - July?

May - June, 2 miilion doses, June-July 1 million doses

Lack of people to vaccinate. Anyone that gets AZ in May/June will need to wait until August/September for the second dose. If AZ deliver that will be hundreds of thousands of people. Couple that with 1m people getting J&J in Q2 + July and you run out of adults. It is likely we will be vaccinating teenagers at that stage but that isn't official.

JTMan

Austria in talks to buy a million doses of Russia's Sputnik V vaccine according to this Reuters report.

Hungary (deployed), Slovakia and Italian region of Campania (will deploy after EMA approval) have also purchased. Czech Republic in talks too.

Meanwhile, Russia has only inoculated a tiny potion of their population and is reliant on imports to meet domestic supply but yet wants to supply the EU.

CrabRevolution

It's good news that they're moving to a solely age based system. It would have been an absolute disaster to prioritise and administer cohorts using the previously suggested categories.

Categories like working or living in crowded accommodation, services vital to society etc. would have been an utter nightmare to populate.

I'd say the newspapers and liveline producers are sickened though. It was shaping up to be a goldmine of "My neighbour got a vaccine but since I have an extension on my house I didn't get one", or "I bravely face a 99.9% chance of death every day going in to work but have no vaccine".

GazzaL

NPHET/HSE have missed almost every single target for testing, contact tracing, and vaccinations since this whole thing began.

They set these conservative targets themselves and still failed to hit them.

The most incompetent organisation in Ireland is de facto running the country, and level 5 lockdown is the only tool they want to use to tackle the problem because it means they don't have to get anything right and they'll stay on the gravy train.

crossman47

GazzaL wrote: »

NPHET/HSE have missed almost every single target for testing, contact tracing, and vaccinations since this whole thing began.

They set these conservative targets themselves and still failed to hit them.

The most incompetent organisation in Ireland is de facto running the country, and level 5 lockdown is the only tool they want to use to tackle the problem because it means they don't have to get anything right and they'll stay on the gravy train.

After a year you still don't understand that NPHET is not responsible for running testing or tracing or vaccinations.

GazzaL

crossman47 wrote: »

After a year you still don't understand that NPHET is not responsible for running testing or tracing or vaccinations.

Have another read of my post again before you start posting nonsense.