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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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ShyMets

RavenBea17b wrote: »

Evidence of AZ 11 million please. Come on, evidence. Or perhaps you are just making it up!

Going on previous posts he's asking 'for a friend'

CruelSummer

bennyineire wrote: »

I assume by that logic you wouldn't be comfortable with long haul flights so as they have much higher (proven) odds for blood clots https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1989755/

Long haul flight blood clots are not what is occurring with Astrazeneca vaccine. It is a blood platelet issue, an antibody response to the vaccine causing a clot on the brain. This is not the same and should not be equated as such. We all want the vaccination campaign to be a success. I'm not comfortable with 31 cases from Germany, Canada suspending it also for this age-group.

CruelSummer

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1376920934448300039?s=20

But is it fair to say Wales used this vaccine mostly on people over 65 to date?

RavenBea17b

eagle eye wrote: »

How many people have taken AZ, how many blood clots, is it over 11 million with blood clots?
At this stage I think I'll avoid AZ. I'm sure I can manage to be unable to make it until it's some other vaccine they are offering.
There's just too much of this stuff going on.

Evidence of AZ 11 million please. Come on, evidence. Or perhaps you are just making it up!

bennyineire

CruelSummer wrote: »

To be honest, I'm pro vaccine but I do not feel comfortable taking the Astra Zeneca vaccine at the moment. There was an article in The Guardian stating the incidence of these clotting events and may be more like 1 per 100,000 or even less in the relevant age groups for the reaction.
Would it make any sense to stop giving it to women under 55, and continue giving it men in this age bracket. Plus the over 65's also.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/mar/30/coronavirus-live-news-who-to-present-china-mission-findings-canada-pauses-astrazeneca-vaccine-for-under-55s

I assume by that logic you wouldn't be comfortable with long haul flights so as they have much higher (proven) odds for blood clots https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1989755/

bennyineire

PhilOssophy wrote: »

The risk of blood clots are probably equivalent to a long-haul flight. I wonder how many people have ever not taken a long-haul flight because of the risk of a blood clot?

Actually far less so, the odds on an ultra long haul flight are around 10,000/1

Wolf359f

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Benefit far outweighs the risks so as someone in their 20s I'd have no issue taking AZ.

No I don't think it's rollout should change. Its used in massive numbers in the UK, if there was something that constituted a widescale risk it should have been picked up by now.

The number of clot incidents are relative to the numbers vaccinated, very low and are also seen in other vaccines.

You've more of a chance of clotting from getting covid

It's not a clotting issue, it's more akin to a blood disorder that seems to be brought on by antibody that gets created in the body. I haven't heard of any reports of that in any other vaccine.
Comparing it to a regular blood clot is not accurate.

It should be done on a risk based analysis.
Hard to convince a young healthy person to take AZ in the likes of NZ if they stand a higher chance of death from the vaccine compared the the risk of Covid, due to them being zero covid (and I know NZ are using Pfizer only, it's just an example of risk)

dominatinMC

Probes wrote: »

What is there to elaborate on, what they said makes perfect sense!

Okay then. Why, in your opinion, does it make perfect sense?

PhilOssophy

The risk of blood clots are probably equivalent to a long-haul flight. I wonder how many people have ever not taken a long-haul flight because of the risk of a blood clot?

GLaDOS

Given the age range of women predominantly affected, I wonder could it be a reaction with the contraceptive pill? Maybe there's a type not used particularly in the UK that is in Germany?

stephenjmcd

CruelSummer wrote: »

To be honest, I'm pro vaccine but I do not feel comfortable taking the Astra Zeneca vaccine at the moment. There was an article in The Guardian stating the incidence of these clotting events and may be more like 1 per 100,000 or even less in the relevant age groups for the reaction.
Would it make any sense to stop giving it to women under 55, and continue giving it men in this age bracket. Plus the over 65's also.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/mar/30/coronavirus-live-news-who-to-present-china-mission-findings-canada-pauses-astrazeneca-vaccine-for-under-55s

Benefit far outweighs the risks so as someone in their 20s I'd have no issue taking AZ in the morning.

No I don't think it's rollout should change. Its used in massive numbers in the UK, if there was something that constituted a widescale risk it should have been picked up by now.

The number of clot incidents are relative to the numbers vaccinated, very low and are also seen in other vaccines.

You've more of a chance of clotting from getting covid

Probes

dominatinMC wrote: »

Care to elaboarate?

What is there to elaborate on, what they said makes perfect sense!

ACitizenErased

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1376920934448300039?s=20

CruelSummer

To be honest, I'm pro vaccine but I do not feel comfortable taking the Astra Zeneca vaccine at the moment. There was an article in The Guardian stating the incidence of these clotting events and may be more like 1 per 100,000 or even less in the relevant age groups for the reaction.
Would it make any sense to stop giving it to women under 55, and continue giving it men in this age bracket. Plus the over 65's also.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/mar/30/coronavirus-live-news-who-to-present-china-mission-findings-canada-pauses-astrazeneca-vaccine-for-under-55s

Stark

I think by the time we have cohorts 1-4 + under 65s in long term residential care done anyway, then vaccine supplies should be at the level where it's only a few weeks in the difference for people.

Corholio

The vaccine changes seem good. On paper it should free up a lot of the administration side and allow things to be done quicker. They still need to sort out the gaps in the GP's that should already have vaccinations that don't though, too many stories of that still around.

namloc1980

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

I am of the mind that anyone who refuses a vaccine should be put to the back of the line.

Refusing a vaccine that some would give kidney for, maybe go check that privilege there mate.

People are perfectly entitled to make their own choices on the vaccine. Not your place to judge.

PhilOssophy

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

I am of the mind that anyone who refuses a vaccine should be put to the back of the line.

Refusing a vaccine that some would give kidney for, maybe go check that privilege there mate.

By the sounds of things, that is exactly what will happen. And rightly so.

Frank Bullitt

eagle eye wrote: »

How many people have taken AZ, how many blood clots, is it over 11 million with blood clots?
At this stage I think I'll avoid AZ. I'm sure I can manage to be unable to make it until it's some other vaccine they are offering.
There's just too much of this stuff going on.

I am of the mind that anyone who refuses a vaccine should be put to the back of the line.

Refusing a vaccine that some would give kidney for, maybe go check that privilege there mate.

stephenjmcd

More on the updated rollout

https://twitter.com/JackHoJo/status/1376916275033735168?s=19

dominatinMC

Turtwig wrote: »

What are they saying here that is incorrect? Vaccinations will reduce hospitalisations. The lowest risks groups are the largest population pools. You have to keep some level of restrictions in tact until they are vaccinated. This group can still flood the hospitals.

Pretty much everyone will require another vaccine in the winter and this will likely cover the current variants of concern. We should have plans in place to prevent other variants from taking hold here.

Will they?? Is there evidence that immunity lasts less than 12 months?

As for "variants of concern", did you see the latest study from Israel which found no discernible evidence of immune escape in their vaccination programme despite many variants (primarily the B117) in the country.

ShyMets

eagle eye wrote: »

How on earth do you make that out? I know the person and how they act. You don't.
Cop on.

Please see my full quote below

That response makes no sense.

You came on here asking if AZ vaccine caused 11 million blood clots. That is a ridiculous question to ask.

It wouldn't have got near approval stage if that was the case

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I'm in Group 4 - confirmed by my GP yesterday but they say they've still been given no instructions on vaccinating group 4, only over 70s.

Whatsmore, they seemed surprised to find out that I was told by the hospital that my diabetes care was being transferred to them (2+ years ago) - they did not know what diabetes medication I was on, (despite prescribing it) or how to adjust it.

Great.

dominatinMC

Probes wrote: »

What they are saying makes perfect sense to me.

Care to elaboarate?

eagle eye

ShyMets wrote:

That response makes no sense

How on earth do you make that out? I know the person and how they act. You don't.
Cop on.

ShyMets

eagle eye wrote: »

No, because they would just ignore it.

That response makes no sense.

You came on here asking if AZ vaccine caused 11 million blood clots. That is a ridiculous question to ask.

It wouldn't have got near approval stage if that was the case

eagle eye

charlie14 wrote:

Did you ask whoever gave you that 11 million figure for blood clots what their source was for that figure ?

No, because they would just ignore it.

stephenjmcd

eagle eye wrote: »

How many people have taken AZ, how many blood clots, is it over 11 million with blood clots?
At this stage I think I'll avoid AZ. I'm sure I can manage to be unable to make it until it's some other vaccine they are offering.
There's just too much of this stuff going on.

Over 11 million with blood clots ?? You know well it's nowhere near it. If it were 11 million it wouldn't be given any sort of approval but sure you know that

Skygord

Any word whether the big delivery from AstraZeneca "in the final days of March" has arrived?

Micky 32

Cork2021 wrote: »

I really really can’t stand these ****èrs!!!

https://twitter.com/isagcovid19/status/1376660674210844675?s=21

And then their leader Killeen

https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1376819550696710144?s=21

It looks like despite the USA excellent roll out of the vaccine the government are considering putting the USA on the quarantine list.