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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Seymour20 wrote: »

Astra Zeneca suspended for under 55s in Canada
https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1376586966154809344?s=21

They're even behind us so looks like more creating issues to use as an excuse.

Scuid Mhór

Seymour20 wrote: »

Astra Zeneca suspended for under 55s in Canada
https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1376586966154809344?s=21

This makes no sense.

Strazdas

Carefree88 wrote: »

Sorry if this is posted already but is it true they are going to stop testing staff and residents in nursing homes that have had the full doses of vaccine?

Why?

Had a distraught young girl ring my wife saying she has to fill out a risk assessment form daily at work and temperature check every 2hrs because she declined the vaccine as wants to try for a baby soon and feels very pressured to take it now to avoid that stuff.Others have all taken it and others have good excuses like pregnancy

This girl is 24, tall, slim, very healthy, feels terrible been forced to take it, she's been tested every 2 weeks and has no problem taking a trst every day if needs be

Sorry if this a wrong thread for this subject, didnt see another vaccine thread, please move if wrong topic

Nobody should feel pressurised into taking a vaccine, but I suppose it's a bit of an awkward situation if she's working in a healthcare setting and has residents to tend to - not quite the same as if she was working in an office or store (i.e. much higher health standards and procedures demanded of the staff).

funnydoggy

Feeling so bloody positive about the vaccines. COVID won't be eradicated, but it will be a background illness that may pop up in the winter, hugely abated by vaccines and treatments.

It's nearly over folks

Chris_5339762

They should, just for an experiment, put one of those pop-up clinics in Cork or Kerry - the counties with the lowest incidence and encourage loads of people to go, just to see what % positivity they get.

Economics101

Some negative stuff re pharmacists in relation to my earlier post referencing RTE (https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0329/1206811-pharmacists-vaccine/)
The pharmacists' main complaint was being left in the dark about their future role in vaccination. I know that at present the main constraint is vaccine supply, but soon the constraint will be vaccinators. Being kept in the dark by the HSE in inexcusable. Of course the pharmacists may be complaining a bit too much, but the HSE has form when it comes to poor information.

astrofool

ceegee wrote: »

The version in the Indo seems quite different

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/social-media-hoax-results-inpharmacy-staff-arrivingat-vaccine-centre-for-jabs-40244446.html

Obviously people should have left once told they weren't going to receive a vaccine but seems from that article that they turned up in good faith. (Also seems to have been pharmacy staff rather than pharmacists, most of whom have received the first vaccine)

I would be very wary about Cork pharmacies if they were duped by this :pac:

A number of people, who believed the social media information to be correct, briefly refused to leave the Páirc Uí Chaoimh complex in Cork until they had received the vaccines

astrofool

Economics101 wrote: »

Some negative stuff re pharmacists in relation to my earlier post referencing RTE (https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0329/1206811-pharmacists-vaccine/)
The pharmacists' main complaint was being left in the dark about their future role in vaccination. I know that at present the main constraint is vaccine supply, but soon the constraint will be vaccinators. Being kept in the dark by the HSE in inexcusable. Of course the pharmacists may be complaining a bit too much, but the HSE has form when it comes to poor information.

Until there is confirmed supply, everybody is in the dark as to when pharmacists will be needed, it's really as simple as that.

It sounds like you want the HSE to employ some kind of "Everything's OK" alarm in the mean time.

Charles Babbage

astrofool wrote: »

Until there is confirmed supply, everybody is in the dark as to when pharmacists will be needed, it's really as simple as that.

It sounds like you want the HSE to employ some kind of "Everything's OK" alarm in the mean time.

No, but you could have some formula like "when we receive more than x per month, then we'll use the pharmacies".

Carefree88 wrote: »

It is an awkward situation alright, similar to the student nurses that wont get a placement without the vaccine, they are basically forced as well, can understand it but dont understand not testing people that have got the vaccine in the nursing homes.

You can't choose to work in healthcare and then refuse to take measures for the protection of people.

Dressoutlet

Carefree88 wrote: »

It is an awkward situation alright, similar to the student nurses that wont get a placement without the vaccine, they are basically forced as well, can understand it but dont understand not testing people that have got the vaccine in the nursing homes.

Why would they continue to test them? The advice from the CDC is people who are fully vaccinated do not need to be tested/are not classed as close contacts / can carry on their life as normal so long as they have no symptoms.
There's no point testing fully vaxxed non symptomatic people. Literally as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.

Dickie10

funnydoggy wrote: »

Feeling so bloody positive about the vaccines. COVID won't be eradicated, but it will be a background illness that may pop up in the winter, hugely abated by vaccines and treatments.

It's nearly over folks

i havent been lurking here for a few days , whats happened? pray tell last i heard it was doom and gloom as usual!

hynesie08

Dickie10 wrote: »

i havent been lurking here for a few days , whats happened? pray tell last i heard it was doom and gloom as usual!

J&J gave a first delivery date

Pfizer reduces transmission risk by 90% after second dose.

Ireland pissed through 100k vaccines in five days.

Nothing game changing but all good.

funnydoggy

Dickie10 wrote: »

i havent been lurking here for a few days , whats happened? pray tell last i heard it was doom and gloom as usual!

Hynesie08 said some of the major ones above. I'm just optimistic in general. We're flying.

PhoenixParker

hynesie08 wrote: »

J&J gave a first delivery date

Pfizer reduces transmission risk by 90% after second dose.

Ireland pissed through 100k vaccines in five days.

Nothing game changing but all good.

3 new factories approved by EMA last week. One each of Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneca.

The AZ one has been working away and there's a stockpile to distribute in the next 2 or so weeks.

Economics101

Just saw this on RTE News website:

Latest Health Service Executive estimates put the number of people in Group 4 at 250,000, an increase on earlier estimates of around 150,000 people.

I would have thought that the HSE would have had a reasonably accurate of the numbers in Group 4. Going from 150,000 to 250,000 is a 67% increase. What's going on? I never had much confidence in the HSE's ability to collect process information. I still don't!

Dressoutlet

Carefree88 wrote: »

I'm talking about nursing homes, not general public.Of course we shouldnt test asymptomatic people in general public.

We are talking about 80 year olds here, alot of them sick and old, a sniffle for you could be death for them.Vaccines we know stop symptoms of Covid at 90%, not 100%, residents are still at risk of catching Covid and death.I don't agree with not testing in nursing homes, we made too many mistakes and with variants and weakened immuned systems we should continue testing them in my opinion.

Do you think vaccinated staff shouldn't wear masks in nursing homes either by the way?

No I think they shouldn't continue to wear masks. You said yourself any sniffle can be lethal and it's never been a requirement before. I 100% support mask use during the pandemic but when the vaccines are finished in nursing home residents and staff that work there then they should no longer be a requirement.
The same for testing. The flu (not comparing covid to the flu just using it as an example) kills elderly people every year and staff aren't routinely tested for flu/colds or any other viral illness. Covid will soon be just another viral infection.

astrofool

Economics101 wrote: »

Just saw this on RTE News website:

I would have thought that the HSE would have had a reasonably accurate of the numbers in Group 4. Going from 150,000 to 250,000 is a 67% increase. What's going on? I never had much confidence in the HSE's ability to collect process information. I still don't!

The criteria for who is in Cohort 4 is allowing more "at risk" people to be included increasing the numbers.

Stark

Economics101 wrote: »

Just saw this on RTE News website:

I would have thought that the HSE would have had a reasonably accurate of the numbers in Group 4. Going from 150,000 to 250,000 is a 67% increase. What's going on? I never had much confidence in the HSE's ability to collect process information. I still don't!

They also gave 500,000 as the revised estimate for number of high risk 65-69 year olds despite there only being 230k people in that age bracket in total in the country.

Klonker

stephenjmcd wrote: »

More good vaccine news

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1376551927291469827?s=19

Can we now ban people from saying that the vaccines don't stop infection/spread of the virus?

IRISHSPORTSGUY

https://twitter.com/aslavitt46/status/1376605304503275526

Could have been the EU if the bloc and its member states had got its strategy right. ALAS...

snotboogie

Unreal result, still only at 115 vaccines per 100 BTW

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1376651803912245254?s=19

irishlad.

snotboogie wrote: »

Unreal result, still only at 115 vaccines per 100 BTW

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1376651803912245254?s=19

Its great to know that the vaccines work and there are brighter days ahead. But it doesn't make it any easier waiting for them days to come!

Probes

snotboogie wrote: »

Unreal result, still only at 115 vaccines per 100 BTW

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1376651803912245254?s=19

I’m confused by those vaccination numbers, is it 56% of the population that have either 1 or 2 doses? I.e. 44% have nothing yet?

irishlad.

Probes wrote: »

I’m confused by those vaccination numbers, is it 56% of the population that have either 1 or 2 doses? I.e. 44% have nothing yet?

I would imagine 56% have got 1 dose and of those 56%, 50% (of population) have had their 2nd dose.

Example:

100 people
56 with 1st dose, 50 of these have also received 2nd dose.

Strazdas

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

https://twitter.com/aslavitt46/status/1376605304503275526

Could have been the EU if the bloc and its member states had got its strategy right. ALAS...

Can't agree with that : I don't know the exact numbers, but the US has a large number of pharma manufacturing plants and doesn't even need to import vaccines. The EU doesn't have that level of access to vaccines yet (and has a bigger population).

Stark

I wonder about the rapid move through the age groups. They don't seem to have that many people overall vaccinated yet. Wonder have they simply abandoned the priority lists due to poor uptake.

1huge1

Stark wrote: »

I wonder about the rapid move through the age groups. They don't seem to have that many people overall vaccinated yet. Wonder have they simply abandoned the priority lists due to poor uptake.

I really don't understand this post, what rapid movement through the age groups?
We are making our way through each of the cohorts, the last of Cohort 1 will be getting their 2nd dose over the next 2 weeks or so, we have already started giving 1st doses to people in the 4th cohort.

Maybe this will clear it up for you
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=1219026690

quokula

snotboogie wrote: »

Unreal result, still only at 115 vaccines per 100 BTW

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1376651803912245254?s=19

Am I reading this wrong, or are there numbers not really particularly better than Ireland's?

They've a population of 9 million, with twice as many in hospital and three times as many in ICU as us.

joseywhales

So I should be getting vaccinated soon(this month, both shots), I'm living in the us. Can I come home then or do I have to sit in a hotel for two weeks?

VG31

Klonker wrote: »

Can we now ban people from saying that the vaccines don't stop infection/spread of the virus?

I'm sick of hearing "but the vaccines don't prevent transmission" being repeated ad nauseam at any mention of vaccine passports, easing of restrictions for vaccinated people or similar. It was understandable when it was unknown or only just emerging but there's a been significant evidence for quite a while by now.