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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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JTMan

Skygord wrote: »

Bet we never see any, until Q3 when we expect to have sufficient supplies anyway.

The reason given for this to start by Easter is the UK want to ensure Northern Ireland is able to open up on schedule. If that is the real reason then we should see supply, even if it's small initially, in the coming weeks.

Tippbhoy1

irishgeo wrote: »

Are these vaccines Boris stole from us anyway by refusing to the let AZ plants in the UK export to Europe.

.....that they MIGHT offer to Ireland IF they have a SURPLUS.

More lies, more politicising vaccines, more Irish people falling for it. It’s a age old tactic, control as many resources as you can then drip feed to your subjects. It was going ok for a bit when everyone thought the UK had control of world supply. Still manages to rope in a few people even now. And they’ll even thank Boris for it.

Morries Wigs

They wont accept them theyll tell boris send them to eu and well take out 1 per cent -eu lapdogs thats us

SJFly

Is this a way for the UK to give a nod towards "reciprocity and proportionality" in a way that benefits them (NI) and can be sold to the public. Could work out very well for us, even if it is all politics.

seamus

The UK don't have 3.7m spare doses to give, which made me suspicious. It won't be delivered at easter one way or another. A couple of thousands doses a week until the end of the year, at best.

But would they take doses out of the arms of the British public in order to score political points? Yes;

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1375940097707757576?s=19

They've already proven that their priorities when it comes to vaccines are politics first, public health second. They've vaccinated all.of Gibraltar. Why? Because Gibraltar voted almost completely against Brexit. So vaccinate everyone to curry favour for Britain.
Stretching out dosing timelines. Why? To make it appear like the UK is rocketing ahead of everyone else.

So I can absolutely see the UK sending doses that they badly need, to us, in order to try and score political points against the EU.

As said above, likely the hope is that people will see the planned ramp-up as being a consequence of UK help. They overestimate sentiment towards the Brits in Ireland though. At best people will be begrudgingly thankful. Most likely we'll consider it a scant compensation for Brexit and just take it and move on.

Gael23

It’s a political point scoring exercise by Boris. By the time this materialises won’t be such a nervous off

Tippbhoy1

Morries Wigs wrote: »

They wont accept them theyll tell boris send them to eu and well take out 1 per cent -eu lapdogs thats us

The irony of your post, Boris would throw you a scrap and you’d kiss his feet id say and thank him at the same time.

Danzy

seamus wrote: »

The UK don't have 3.7m spare doses to give, which made me suspicious. It won't be delivered at easter one way or another. A couple of thousands doses a week until the end of the year, at best.

But would they take doses out of the arms of the British public in order to score political points? Yes;

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1375940097707757576?s=19

They've already proven that their priorities when it comes to vaccines are politics first, public health second. They've vaccinated all.of Gibraltar. Why? Because Gibraltar voted almost completely against Brexit. So vaccinate everyone to curry favour for Britain.
Stretching out dosing timelines. Why? To make it appear like the UK is rocketing ahead of everyone else.

So I can absolutely see the UK sending doses that they badly need, to us, in order to try and score political points against the EU.

As said above, likely the hope is that people will see the planned ramp-up as being a consequence of UK help. They overestimate sentiment towards the Brits in Ireland though. At best people will be begrudgingly thankful. Most likely we'll consider it a scant compensation for Brexit and just take it and move on.

They can indulge such flights of fancy purely because they prioritized vaccination.

The EU could have equally offered to vaccinate all of Gibraltar or the 6 counties or all of Britain, at the same time as itself.

It can't because it skimped on funding and development, half ar5ed approach to procurement and isn't that pushed about rollout.

The EU wasted an opportunity here and the 3rd wave and possible 4th and a lockdown for the Summer for much of the continent are it's reward.

Britain looks at reasonable normality in June.

That's taking it serious.

Results matter.

mick087

Morries Wigs wrote: »

They wont accept them theyll tell boris send them to eu and well take out 1 per cent -eu lapdogs thats us

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

The irony of your post, Boris would throw you a scrap and you’d kiss his feet id say and thank him at the same time.

True what you say about Boris but true is that of what Morries Wigs states also.

Danzy

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

..... was going ok for a bit when everyone thought the UK had control of world supply. .

They never had control of world supply, all they had was Astra Zeneca, that's been given at cost to the Serum Institute of India, which is dosing 3 million poor a day.

They put money and effort in to development, the EU put poc money in, if there was a reasonable effort and spending the EU could have vaccinated itself and the world.

The Brits didn't do anything amazing with Astra Zeneca, just a bit of effort.

irishgeo

When will we know if we get the huge AZ delivery we promised this week. Tomorrow or next week?

Tippbhoy1

Danzy wrote: »

They never had control of world supply, all they had was Astra Zeneca, that's been given at cost to the Serum Institute of India, which is dosing 3 million poor a day.

They put money and effort in to development, the EU put poc money in, if there was a reasonable effort and spending the EU could have vaccinated itself and the world.

The Brits didn't do anything amazing with Astra Zeneca, just a bit of effort.

You can turn off the broken record there for yourself for a while, we get it.

CIARAN_BOYLE

JTMan wrote: »

Sunday Times report here (paywall) that Ireland turned down 875,000 Moderna doses for delivery in the second half of this year.

Hopefully these doses are not needed for children or boosters later in the year.

This was published before. Its not new news.

We decided not to take up option doses for the delivery of moderna under the first EU contract. We did take part in the second EU contract with Moderna for an additional 4.5 million doses (for us). Half in Q3 and Q4 2021 and half in 2022.

The reason for not taking up our option doses under the first contract but accepting the second contract was that the doses in the second contract is convertible. If there is a variant targeting vaccine we get that instead.

We will have plenty of doses in Q3 and Q4. Especially since the 875k we turned down are not only Q3 and Q4 but after our existing order which we still haven't received a lot of.

Apogee

Thur - 27,427 (highest to date). Over 760,000 total doses.

is_that_so

irishgeo wrote: »

When will we know if we get the huge AZ delivery we promised this week. Tomorrow or next week?

When we see it and when the HSE announce that it has arrived.

Manach

Apogee wrote: »

Thur - 27,427 (highest to date). Over 760,000 total doses.

Unfortunately the dashboard is not showing the number of housebound that have/have not been vaccinated as well. Which is unsurprising given the lack of communications from any of the institutional stakeholders to the over 85yr and their families.

MerlinSouthDub

Apogee wrote: »

Thur - 27,427 (highest to date). Over 760,000 total doses.

Great numbers. And people still doubt we can do 1 million doses in a month. That's 33,000 doses in a day. It's not just achieveable, it's going to be easy peasy

is_that_so

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Great numbers. And people still doubt we can do 1 million doses in a month. That's 33,000 doses in a day. It's not just achieveable, it's going to be easy peasy

IF ...

Apogee

Manach wrote: »

Unfortunately the dashboard is not showing the number of housebound that have/have not been vaccinated as well. Which is unsurprising given the lack of communications from any of the institutional stakeholders to the over 85yr and their families.

Housebound over 70s would be Cohort 3. 650/1800 completed per Thursday's HSE briefing.

Godot.

seamus wrote: »

The UK don't have 3.7m spare doses to give, which made me suspicious. It won't be delivered at easter one way or another. A couple of thousands doses a week until the end of the year, at best.

But would they take doses out of the arms of the British public in order to score political points? Yes;

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1375940097707757576?s=19

They've already proven that their priorities when it comes to vaccines are politics first, public health second. They've vaccinated all.of Gibraltar. Why? Because Gibraltar voted almost completely against Brexit. So vaccinate everyone to curry favour for Britain.
Stretching out dosing timelines. Why? To make it appear like the UK is rocketing ahead of everyone else.

So I can absolutely see the UK sending doses that they badly need, to us, in order to try and score political points against the EU.

As said above, likely the hope is that people will see the planned ramp-up as being a consequence of UK help. They overestimate sentiment towards the Brits in Ireland though. At best people will be begrudgingly thankful. Most likely we'll consider it a scant compensation for Brexit and just take it and move on.

Jaysus, a lot of bitterness in this post. Who cares what their game is, really? The sooner we have our civil liberties back the better.

It won't make us any less pro-EU or make us yearn to join the Empire lol. Thank a neighbour for their genorosity and hopefully it'll lead to better relations with the British government long term.

seamus

There are 1,500 housebound individuals in the state. There's no reason to have them separately on the dashboard. They'll be done by mid-May.

Danzy

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

You can turn off the broken record there for yourself for a while, we get it.

People are obsessed with Astra Zeneca though.

It shouldn't matter.

Broken record maybe but people are reducing this to a Brexit redux.

The EU didn't plan or fund this in a serious way.

That's the heart of it.

is_that_so

Godot. wrote: »

Jaysus, a lot of bitterness in this post. Who cares what their game is, really?

It won't make us any less pro-EU or make us yearn to join the Empire lol. Thank a neighbour for their genorosity and move on.

It's this so-called future generosity that's at issue and it's about as credible as me reporting I've just seen 1m AZ doses arriving at a warehouse in Dublin!

Nqp15hhu

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Great numbers. And people still doubt we can do 1 million doses in a month. That's 33,000 doses in a day. It's not just achieveable, it's going to be easy peasy

If the vaccines are there and if people take it.

stephenjmcd

Godot. wrote: »

Jaysus, a lot of bitterness in this post. Who cares what their game is, really? The sooner we have our civil liberties back the better.

It won't make us any less pro-EU or make us yearn to join the Empire lol. Thank a neighbour for their genorosity and hopefully it'll lead to better relations with the British government long term.

Bitter?

Let's be realistic, the UK haven't got 3 million spare doses. They're going to struggle to meet 2nd dose demands as it is.

It's purely political point scoring. People shouldn't get their hopes up of the UK sending us anything any time soon

MerlinSouthDub

is_that_so wrote: »

IF ...

We can only control what we can control. We can't control supplies and no point worrying or stressing about things we can't control.

is_that_so

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

We can only control what we can control. We can't control supplies and no point worrying or stressing about things we can't control.

True but 1m a month doesn't happen without supplies, no matter how easily we can do it. Find data on actual vaccines administered more interesting than the hoped for targets in Q2. I blame AZ for that!

funnydoggy

We're really starting to ramp up. You love to see it!

Sanjuro

Apogee wrote: »

Thur - 27,427 (highest to date). Over 760,000 total doses.

You love to see it, folks.

Probes

Would be a very tough decision to make, I think Ireland might turn down UK vaccines at this point but I'm not sure. If Ireland accepts them then essentially we are taking the vaccine that left the eu and went to the uk and then we aren't sharing that between all eu members.