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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Wolf359f

NH2013 wrote: »

Amazing news if true, though of course it is all dependent on when they can be delivered.

If they're going to wait until they've vaccinated their own people first then it's little use to us, as we'll likely also have a surplus of vaccines by then.

However, if they're prepared to give them to us within the next 4-6 weeks that would be a major shot in the arm to our vaccine program, if you'll pardon the pun. :D

Maybe uncle Joe sees that and tries to compete! haha

NeuralNetwork

Do they actually have this volume of vaccines or will it be a case or a theoretical export for PR reasons, that will arrive long after we have no issue with supply ?

Danzy

ACitizenErased wrote: »

FWIW I don’t think we will accept them if it is true

Probably won't accept them the politics and need to go along will override ending the pandemic but that's a serious mistake.

SSeanSS

According to that article “Easter will be when we might be able to start offering vaccines to Ireland”. Would be hard to imagine that they export any vaccines to us before they fully vaccinate their own.

Pablo Escobar

It's bullsh1t like everything else that comes out of there. It's likely they'll now be fumbling for supply as they try to do 2nd doses just as vaccine nationalism takes hold in their #1 supplier, the EU. They don't have them to give away.

Have we not learned anything over the past few years from Westminster?

And I'm being unfair to label the EU's intended actions as nationalism as they there does seem to be a large degree of fairness to it.

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NeuralNetwork wrote: »

Do they actually have this volume of vaccines or will it be a case or a theoretical export for PR reasons, that will arrive long after we have no issue with supply ?

If they have enough Novovax ready anytime soon, that's when they might have spare capacity.

hynesie08

I just can't see this being a straight up genuine offer, I imagine there'll be caveats and * to beat the band, or the first available vaccines will be July.

If it's a legit x vaccines over y dates offer though....... Snap their ****ing hand off.

JPup

I’d be surprised if there’s any truth in it. The EU and India are going to be massively reducing vaccine exports from now on and that is where the large bulk of UK doses have come from this far. They’ll be doing well to have two shots in every adults arm before us as things stand, let alone have spares to give out.

User142

ACitizenErased wrote: »

FWIW I don’t think we will accept them if it is true

The only mention of FF in 10 years time will be in history books if we don't get anything and there is even a rumour that they rejected these through backchannels with the UK government

landofthetree

Wolf359f wrote: »

Maybe uncle Joe sees that and tries to compete! haha

He will give any spare vaccines to Canada,Mexico etc.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56451810

It just makes sense to give any spares to your nearest neighbour. Ireland wouldn't even be considered.

NeuralNetwork

It’s also not “giving” rather it will be they’ll be offered to purchase.

The cost really is the EU’s dignity, if they are indeed available ahead of EU supply, but it’s potentially quite a serious indictment of the EU programme, assuming it’s not just Boris blowing smoke.

Is crazy when when you think about it though. There’s so much genuine and highly justifiable scepticism about this U.K. government that even it is a genuine offer, hardly anyone will believe them.

Nqp15hhu

I just hope this isn’t at an expense of NI vaccines.

landofthetree

matrim wrote: »

I assume we will get them after the NHS get their 300M and they build the bridge between NI and Scotland.

The NHS has got more than 300m per week since 2016.

charlie14

Vital Transformation wrote: »

Could well be true. A Tory MP mentioned it on Claire Byrne's show recently, said Ireland would be first to be offered spare vaccines.

Spare vaccines would suggest after they have vacinated all their own population, by which stage we probably will have enough coming through anyway.

If it is before that, then assuming they are more than highly likely the AZ vaccine, then it would make we wonder what Britain and AZ have been up too when AZ have only been supplying 25% of the vaccine to the EU they were supposed too due to supposedly production problems while Britain has close to 4 million they do not need.

PTH2009

Surely the plebs here will accept the offer and take the vaccines ?

NeuralNetwork

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

I just hope this isn’t at an expense of NI vaccines.

What exactly would make you jump to that conclusion?!

If, and it’s a big if given what we know of the supply chain, this is a genuine offer to sell vaccines, it’s highly unlikely it’s going to negatively impact Northern Ireland. It would actually be of benefit to NI if the supplies are speeded up in the Republic.

My sense is this is just Johnson making some grand gesture that will be a theoretical offer that will deliver long after May or something by which time the EU supply chains will be very much in full swing anyway.

Can we not be nice to each other on this island and these islands for once?

Everything is not a some plot against NI.

landofthetree

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

What exactly would make you jump to that conclusion?!

If, and it’s a big if given what we know or the supply chain, this is a genuine offer to sell vaccines, it’s highly unlikely it’s going to negatively impact Northern Ireland. It would actually be of benefit to NI if the supplies are speeded up in the Republic.

My sense is this is just Johnson making some grand gesture that will be a theoretical offer that will deliver in May or something by which time the EU supply chains will be very much in full swing anyway.

They wont. More **** ups will happen.

Danzy

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

It's bullsh1t like everything else that comes out of there. It's likely they'll now be fumbling for supply as they try to do 2nd doses just as vaccine nationalism takes hold in their #1 supplier, the EU. They don't have them to give away.

Have we not learned anything over the past few years from Westminster?

And I'm being unfair to label the EU's intended actions as nationalism as they there does seem to be a large degree of fairness to it.

Not bothering to vaccinate, messing up the supports and development because of stinginess is fairness.

While getting results is nationalism, got you now.

NeuralNetwork

landofthetree wrote: »

They wont. More **** ups will happen.

I read anything from that government with extreme scepticism. It’s impossible to distinguish spin from reality with them, which is a sad state of affairs.

Cork2021

ACitizenErased wrote: »

FWIW I don’t think we will accept them if it is true

Didn’t MM mention that Boris was unable and I help a few weeks back but would help when surplus vaccines became available.
It would be political suicide if we said no them!!

Wolf359f

landofthetree wrote: »

He will give any spare vaccines to Canada,Mexico etc.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56451810

It just makes sense to give any spares to your nearest neighbour. Ireland wouldn't even be considered.

Politics is global. You can see the far reach Russia and China are getting with vaccines and they ain't only to their neighbors.

Scuid Mhór

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not sure how true this is

https://twitter.com/nextirishge/status/1375933038866137095?s=21

If it’s to ensure that NI’s reopening won’t be compromised, it probably doesn’t mean we will be waiting for the UK to inoculate all of its own population. It would be madness not to accept this.

NeuralNetwork

It’s mad though. If *any* previous British PM made an offer like this you could trust it was genuine. With the current one you just can’t be sure what he & his government are up to. Up is down. Yellow is Purple. Politics is pure spin.

You’re immediately looking for ulterior motives and PR manoeuvres with this lot.

Ha Long Bay

PTH2009 wrote: »

Surely the plebs here will accept the offer and take the vaccines ?

Would you not take one yourself?

Strazdas

I'd be sceptical of the Sunday Times story. Are they planning on offering us 3.7m doses in July or August or even later? They wouldn't be much use to us that late and we probably wouldn't even take up their offer.

noplacehere

If this is actually due to start arriving around Easter I.e. in two weeks time then it would be political suicide for the government not to take them. The country would collectively lose their ****

Edit: as an aside wouldn’t it be hilarious if we turned them down and then Boris was pissed so just told the north they have permission to vaccinate anyone with an Irish passport lol

astrofool

Unless they are offering stock of vaccines from the sole UK manufacturing site that's up and running (or maybe Novavax in July), then the vaccines would be already part of the EU stock, and we'll get the 1.1% of them.

If the UK ends up with "spare" vaccines from any of it's EU plants, then the suppliers will be breaking their contracts with the EU.

This is calculated to create headlines and sow discontent, Boris is the biggest bluffer around.

But look at people lapping it up all the same.

Strazdas

astrofool wrote: »

Unless they are offering stock of vaccines from the sole UK manufacturing site that's up and running (or maybe Novavax in July), then the vaccines would be already part of the EU stock, and we'll get the 1.1% of them.

If the UK ends up with "spare" vaccines from any of it's EU plants, then the suppliers will be breaking their contracts with the EU.

This is calculated to create headlines and sow discontent, Boris is the biggest bluffer around.

But look at people lapping it up all the same.

Yep, it looks suspiciously like a non story. The UK couldn't possibly have 3.7m surplus vaccines at the moment or any time this side of June / July.

Fitz*

The big questions here for me are dates and caveats. Dates is the big one.

Would they arrive in April, May, June or when?

Wolf359f

astrofool wrote: »

Unless they are offering stock of vaccines from the sole UK manufacturing site that's up and running (or maybe Novavax in July), then the vaccines would be already part of the EU stock, and we'll get the 1.1% of them.

If the UK ends up with "spare" vaccines from any of it's EU plants, then the suppliers will be breaking their contracts with the EU.

This is calculated to create headlines and sow discontent, Boris is the biggest bluffer around.

But look at people lapping it up all the same.

It would actually also be the first time the Tory's gave a crap about NI!
That in itself is telling.