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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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Wolf359f

Melanchthon wrote: »

I don't get why people are so sure we won't have supply issues going forwards. 2 out of 3 producers in EU/UK so far have had issues right?.

More like 1/4 (4 approved)
But I'd guess J&J will have issues, so 2/4 will have supply issues.
Moderna was never going to be a big player early on and Pfizer have ramped up well beyond their plans.

marco_polo

Don't buy this for one second. Has Boris not just sent an envoy in the last week to India to beg for the 5m vaccines that the Indian Government refused export for. And yet will somehow pull 3.7m doses out of his arse pocket for us in the next few weeks?

charlie14

Briatain has vaccinated first dose around 29 million. Second dose around 3 million.That means in the next 12 weeks they need 26 million doses to complete second doses alone. There are also around 24 million people who have not received a first dose yet.
Difficult to see them sending us 3.7 million vaccines anytime soon.

Melanchthon

I don't get why people are so sure we won't have supply issues going forwards. 2 out of 3 producers in EU/UK so far have had issues right? We have Curevac and J&J coming.

That said unless Novavax are really hitting the ground running or the UK Astra Plants sort their problems I don't see Borris having 4 million doses to give away soon.
I think the smarter and actually more beneficial l thing for the UK to do would be too restrict it to the Border counties, could do it with via direct contact with GP's.

-They solve a significant part of the problem,
-Its good PR
-Its something if FF/FG turn it down they can just run mass vacination centers for people with proof of address that they are in the border counties or via the GP's completely directly.

- Finally and this is the important part, they might actually be able to do this at before Ireland/EU is awash with supplies. They aren't going to have 4 million doses free in the next two months. They might well though have say 200k they could spare next month and then a month or two after that another 200k for the second doses.

Fitz*

Wolf359f wrote: »

It would actually also be the first time the Tory's gave a crap about NI anyone outside the the south of England!
That in itself is telling.

FYP

Charles Babbage

Vital Transformation wrote: »

Could well be true. A Tory MP mentioned it on Claire Byrne's show recently, said Ireland would be first to be offered spare vaccines.

The UK does not have any spare vaccines, especially if they stop importing from EU plants that are not fulfilling their own contracts.

Wolf359f

astrofool wrote: »

Unless they are offering stock of vaccines from the sole UK manufacturing site that's up and running (or maybe Novavax in July), then the vaccines would be already part of the EU stock, and we'll get the 1.1% of them.

If the UK ends up with "spare" vaccines from any of it's EU plants, then the suppliers will be breaking their contracts with the EU.

This is calculated to create headlines and sow discontent, Boris is the biggest bluffer around.

But look at people lapping it up all the same.

It would actually also be the first time the Tory's gave a crap about NI!
That in itself is telling.

Fitz*

The big questions here for me are dates and caveats. Dates is the big one.

Would they arrive in April, May, June or when?

Strazdas

astrofool wrote: »

Unless they are offering stock of vaccines from the sole UK manufacturing site that's up and running (or maybe Novavax in July), then the vaccines would be already part of the EU stock, and we'll get the 1.1% of them.

If the UK ends up with "spare" vaccines from any of it's EU plants, then the suppliers will be breaking their contracts with the EU.

This is calculated to create headlines and sow discontent, Boris is the biggest bluffer around.

But look at people lapping it up all the same.

Yep, it looks suspiciously like a non story. The UK couldn't possibly have 3.7m surplus vaccines at the moment or any time this side of June / July.

astrofool

Unless they are offering stock of vaccines from the sole UK manufacturing site that's up and running (or maybe Novavax in July), then the vaccines would be already part of the EU stock, and we'll get the 1.1% of them.

If the UK ends up with "spare" vaccines from any of it's EU plants, then the suppliers will be breaking their contracts with the EU.

This is calculated to create headlines and sow discontent, Boris is the biggest bluffer around.

But look at people lapping it up all the same.

noplacehere

If this is actually due to start arriving around Easter I.e. in two weeks time then it would be political suicide for the government not to take them. The country would collectively lose their ****

Edit: as an aside wouldn’t it be hilarious if we turned them down and then Boris was pissed so just told the north they have permission to vaccinate anyone with an Irish passport lol

Strazdas

I'd be sceptical of the Sunday Times story. Are they planning on offering us 3.7m doses in July or August or even later? They wouldn't be much use to us that late and we probably wouldn't even take up their offer.

Ha Long Bay

PTH2009 wrote: »

Surely the plebs here will accept the offer and take the vaccines ?

Would you not take one yourself?

NeuralNetwork

It’s mad though. If *any* previous British PM made an offer like this you could trust it was genuine. With the current one you just can’t be sure what he & his government are up to. Up is down. Yellow is Purple. Politics is pure spin.

You’re immediately looking for ulterior motives and PR manoeuvres with this lot.

Scuid Mhór

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not sure how true this is

https://twitter.com/nextirishge/status/1375933038866137095?s=21

If it’s to ensure that NI’s reopening won’t be compromised, it probably doesn’t mean we will be waiting for the UK to inoculate all of its own population. It would be madness not to accept this.

Wolf359f

landofthetree wrote: »

He will give any spare vaccines to Canada,Mexico etc.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56451810

It just makes sense to give any spares to your nearest neighbour. Ireland wouldn't even be considered.

Politics is global. You can see the far reach Russia and China are getting with vaccines and they ain't only to their neighbors.

Cork2021

ACitizenErased wrote: »

FWIW I don’t think we will accept them if it is true

Didn’t MM mention that Boris was unable and I help a few weeks back but would help when surplus vaccines became available.
It would be political suicide if we said no them!!

NeuralNetwork

landofthetree wrote: »

They wont. More **** ups will happen.

I read anything from that government with extreme scepticism. It’s impossible to distinguish spin from reality with them, which is a sad state of affairs.

Danzy

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

It's bullsh1t like everything else that comes out of there. It's likely they'll now be fumbling for supply as they try to do 2nd doses just as vaccine nationalism takes hold in their #1 supplier, the EU. They don't have them to give away.

Have we not learned anything over the past few years from Westminster?

And I'm being unfair to label the EU's intended actions as nationalism as they there does seem to be a large degree of fairness to it.

Not bothering to vaccinate, messing up the supports and development because of stinginess is fairness.

While getting results is nationalism, got you now.

landofthetree

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

What exactly would make you jump to that conclusion?!

If, and it’s a big if given what we know or the supply chain, this is a genuine offer to sell vaccines, it’s highly unlikely it’s going to negatively impact Northern Ireland. It would actually be of benefit to NI if the supplies are speeded up in the Republic.

My sense is this is just Johnson making some grand gesture that will be a theoretical offer that will deliver in May or something by which time the EU supply chains will be very much in full swing anyway.

They wont. More **** ups will happen.

NeuralNetwork

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

I just hope this isn’t at an expense of NI vaccines.

What exactly would make you jump to that conclusion?!

If, and it’s a big if given what we know of the supply chain, this is a genuine offer to sell vaccines, it’s highly unlikely it’s going to negatively impact Northern Ireland. It would actually be of benefit to NI if the supplies are speeded up in the Republic.

My sense is this is just Johnson making some grand gesture that will be a theoretical offer that will deliver long after May or something by which time the EU supply chains will be very much in full swing anyway.

Can we not be nice to each other on this island and these islands for once?

Everything is not a some plot against NI.

PTH2009

Surely the plebs here will accept the offer and take the vaccines ?

charlie14

Vital Transformation wrote: »

Could well be true. A Tory MP mentioned it on Claire Byrne's show recently, said Ireland would be first to be offered spare vaccines.

Spare vaccines would suggest after they have vacinated all their own population, by which stage we probably will have enough coming through anyway.

If it is before that, then assuming they are more than highly likely the AZ vaccine, then it would make we wonder what Britain and AZ have been up too when AZ have only been supplying 25% of the vaccine to the EU they were supposed too due to supposedly production problems while Britain has close to 4 million they do not need.

landofthetree

matrim wrote: »

I assume we will get them after the NHS get their 300M and they build the bridge between NI and Scotland.

The NHS has got more than 300m per week since 2016.

Nqp15hhu

I just hope this isn’t at an expense of NI vaccines.

NeuralNetwork

It’s also not “giving” rather it will be they’ll be offered to purchase.

The cost really is the EU’s dignity, if they are indeed available ahead of EU supply, but it’s potentially quite a serious indictment of the EU programme, assuming it’s not just Boris blowing smoke.

Is crazy when when you think about it though. There’s so much genuine and highly justifiable scepticism about this U.K. government that even it is a genuine offer, hardly anyone will believe them.

landofthetree

Wolf359f wrote: »

Maybe uncle Joe sees that and tries to compete! haha

He will give any spare vaccines to Canada,Mexico etc.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56451810

It just makes sense to give any spares to your nearest neighbour. Ireland wouldn't even be considered.

User142

ACitizenErased wrote: »

FWIW I don’t think we will accept them if it is true

The only mention of FF in 10 years time will be in history books if we don't get anything and there is even a rumour that they rejected these through backchannels with the UK government

JPup

I’d be surprised if there’s any truth in it. The EU and India are going to be massively reducing vaccine exports from now on and that is where the large bulk of UK doses have come from this far. They’ll be doing well to have two shots in every adults arm before us as things stand, let alone have spares to give out.

hynesie08

I just can't see this being a straight up genuine offer, I imagine there'll be caveats and * to beat the band, or the first available vaccines will be July.

If it's a legit x vaccines over y dates offer though....... Snap their ****ing hand off.