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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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cameramonkey

charlie14 wrote: »

I do not get what relevance that 500,000 figure from Kingston Mills has .It`s based on three times more being immune than those confirmed as having been infected. It may possibly reduce the number of new cases overall, but it`s not much use to those that have been infected and not confirmed, unless they get an antibody test.
I may be missing something, but to me at least, to ensure herd immunity it would be a figure best ignored and just vaccinate everyone who hasn`t tested positive for the virus.

That is the relevance.

RavenBea17b

JDD wrote: »

Look, you're right. You can't blame the entire British public for the choices of their government, or how the vaccine roll out is being covered in the newspapers.

Lets put who said what and who agreed what in what contract aside for one minute (because I haven't read the contracts so I'm not sure who should get priority)...

If the EU are producing vaccines in their factories and exporting a portion of them to the UK and the US,

And the UK and US are far ahead of the EU in terms of supply they are receiving - from both domestic factories and imports,

And the UK and US are not exporting any of their domestically made vaccines to the EU,

then that's kind of c**tish behaviour.

You can say "well that's how the world works sonny - make sure you get better lawyers next time", or "well you should have individually negotiated for your own vaccines at a higher price like the UK did, then AZ would have prioritised you like they have with the UK" and fair enough if that's your position. I just don't find it very ethical or moral, especially in circumstances where 40 year olds are being vaccinated in the UK and US, whereas medically vulnerable people are still waiting for theirs in the EU.

You can see why the EU will, ultimately, block exports.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Pfizer storage changed:
In addition to the new manufacturing facility for this vaccine, the CHMP has also given a positive opinion to allow transportation and storage of vials of this vaccine at temperatures between -25 to -15˚C (i.e. the temperature of standard pharmaceutical freezers) for a one-off period of two weeks. This is an alternative to the long-term storage of the vials at a temperature between -90 to -60˚C in special freezers. It is expected to facilitate the rapid roll-out and distribution of the vaccine in the EU by reducing the need for ultra-low temperature cold storage conditions throughout the supply chain.

Wonder why the approval for usual pharma freezers took quite so long, sure I read something back weeks ago, that it was proven to be ok.... I may be mistaken.

Good news Friday Hooray.

lbj666

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Pfizer storage changed:
In addition to the new manufacturing facility for this vaccine, the CHMP has also given a positive opinion to allow transportation and storage of vials of this vaccine at temperatures between -25 to -15˚C (i.e. the temperature of standard pharmaceutical freezers) for a one-off period of two weeks. This is an alternative to the long-term storage of the vials at a temperature between -90 to -60˚C in special freezers. It is expected to facilitate the rapid roll-out and distribution of the vaccine in the EU by reducing the need for ultra-low temperature cold storage conditions throughout the supply chain.

Any talk on Pfizer broadening the doses interval based on what's been found in the UK. Might not be considered for at risk groups but it would certainly help things on after that.

charlie14

crossman47 wrote: »

And to that we can add those who got the virus as also being immune - possibly up to 500,000 per Kingston Mills

I do not get what relevance that 500,000 figure from Kingston Mills has .It`s based on three times more being immune than those confirmed as having been infected. It may possibly reduce the number of new cases overall, but it`s not much use to those that have been infected and not confirmed, unless they get an antibody test.
I may be missing something, but to me at least, to ensure herd immunity it would be a figure best ignored and just vaccinate everyone who hasn`t tested positive for the virus.

ACitizenErased

Pfizer storage changed:
In addition to the new manufacturing facility for this vaccine, the CHMP has also given a positive opinion to allow transportation and storage of vials of this vaccine at temperatures between -25 to -15˚C (i.e. the temperature of standard pharmaceutical freezers) for a one-off period of two weeks. This is an alternative to the long-term storage of the vials at a temperature between -90 to -60˚C in special freezers. It is expected to facilitate the rapid roll-out and distribution of the vaccine in the EU by reducing the need for ultra-low temperature cold storage conditions throughout the supply chain.

Micky 32

Russman wrote: »

Excellent to hear good news stories about people we actually know rather than just a "number" vaccinated. Somehow makes it more real.

My own father's jab was cancelled yesterday, GP didn't get enough doses delivered, and said it could be another two weeks. He's philosophical enough about it, but still, tinged with disappointment at the same time.

Ah sorry to hear that. I think we had the same issue here a couple weeks back. People were turned away and told approx another 2 weeks.

Also my partners mother got her second jab today. My 90 year old uncle got his second jab last Wednesday.

Russman

Micky 32 wrote: »

My parents still on schedule to getting their jabs today. Also their next door neighbours ( same age bracket) got theirs yesterday. A few people i know parents are also getting theirs today. No shortage of jabs around my area anyway.

Excellent to hear good news stories about people we actually know rather than just a "number" vaccinated. Somehow makes it more real.

My own father's jab was cancelled yesterday, GP didn't get enough doses delivered, and said it could be another two weeks. He's philosophical enough about it, but still, tinged with disappointment at the same time.

Paul Tergat

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Pfizer's Marburg factory approved too and a Moderna production line

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/increase-vaccine-manufacturing-capacity-supply-covid-19-vaccines-astrazeneca-biontechpfizer-moderna

Assume any EU capacity increase here is already factored into planned delivery numbers?

IRISHSPORTSGUY

ACitizenErased wrote: »

AstraZeneca's Halix plant has been approved by the EMA

Pfizer's Marburg factory approved too and a Moderna production line

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/increase-vaccine-manufacturing-capacity-supply-covid-19-vaccines-astrazeneca-biontechpfizer-moderna

PhoenixParker

ACitizenErased wrote: »

AstraZeneca's Halix plant has been approved by the EMA

Best news I've heard in weeks.

L1011

Vicxas wrote: »

Wonder how quick the factory will be brought online or is it ready now and just waited for approval

Ready and possibly ~30m doses already made in a warehouse in Italy.

Vicxas

Wonder how quick the factory will be brought online or is it ready now and just waited for approval

Wolf359f

ACitizenErased wrote: »

AstraZeneca's Halix plant has been approved by the EMA

That was quick. With the news also that no AZ will leave the EU until AZ catch up, I wonder will we see a substantial increase in AZ deliveries over the next few weeks? Something more than 9k would be nice lol

Micky 32

My parents still on schedule to getting their jabs today. Also their next door neighbours ( same age bracket) got theirs yesterday. A few people i know parents are also getting theirs today. No shortage of jabs around my area anyway.

ACitizenErased

AstraZeneca's Halix plant has been approved by the EMA

cameramonkey

crossman47 wrote: »

And to that we can add those who got the virus as also being immune - possibly up to 500,000 per Kingston Mills

A seroprevalence study carried out last year showed rates in the community 3 times higher those that detected through the surveillance of notified cases. That was in the age group 12 to 69. Up to yesterday, there have been 232,758 notified cases here so if we multiply by 3 we get just short of 700000 people who could have had covid. So we may have 700000 with some sort of immunity from vaccinations and another 700000 from already being exposed means we are getting close to 1.4 million. Of course, some who have had covid have also been vaccinated.

Turtwig

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Bowers had been the best. I’d say he’s among the worst at the moment. Constantly stirring controversy.

His blogs were reasonable in tone that's about it. Not that hard to do. He's made some truly awful gaffes since this whole thing began. Some can be excused but what I find more concerning is that he doesn't seem to retract anything. It's someone else's fault when he relays incorrect information.

I'm kind of stunned no major media outlet didn't try to get science journalists with backgrounds in a scientific discipline and media. The current crop are so far out of their depth at times it's a little depressing.

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Skyfloater wrote: »

What's the story with J&J? Has it been given the ok either in the EU or the USA?
Thanks.

Both

Skyfloater

What's the story with J&J? Has it been given the ok either in the EU or the USA?
Thanks.

funnydoggy

Once COVID is over in Ireland, people won't be tuning into RTÉ nearly as much. They're riding the gravy train for as long as possible, desperately trying to stay relevant.

is_that_so

namloc1980 wrote: »

We had 500k first shots up to Tuesday. You think we'll get another 500k done in the next week?

I said in the next week or so as we don't know when they will arrive. I'm using the total 700K, which I should have stated more correctly, but yes I expect an overall 1m total to be reached quickly if those supplies arrive.

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crossman47 wrote: »

And to that we can add those who got the virus as also being immune - possibly up to 500,000 per Kingston Mills

Definitely not that simple, many who would have also gotten the virus have been vaccinated too, so that would be double counting.

odyssey06

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Bowers had been the best. I’d say he’s among the worst at the moment. Constantly stirring controversy.

He was very good, I wonder if he got exasperated at asking HSE for reliable vaccination figures or something and was told check the dashboard. And so he did to be stubborn about it.

ACitizenErased

dominatinMC wrote: »

To be fair, you could insert any journalists name in there for Bowers, and the statement would still be valid. If nothing else, this pandemic has been an eye opener on journalistic standards in the country.

Bowers had been the best. I’d say he’s among the worst at the moment. Constantly stirring controversy.

dominatinMC

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

I've lost an awful lot of respect for the journalistic ability of Bowers in recent months. Seems to tweet a lot of clearly inaccurate information as fact and clearly without any sense checking.

To be fair, you could insert any journalists name in there for Bowers, and the statement would still be valid. If nothing else, this pandemic has been an eye opener on journalistic standards in the country.

namloc1980

is_that_so wrote: »

If the promised AZ stock of 160K arrive we should break the 1m barrier in first shots in the next week or so.

We had 500k first shots up to Tuesday. You think we'll get another 500k done in the next week?

crossman47

is_that_so wrote: »

If the promised AZ stock of 160K arrive we should break the 1m barrier in first shots in the next week or so.

And to that we can add those who got the virus as also being immune - possibly up to 500,000 per Kingston Mills

is_that_so

Apogee wrote: »

Tue 23rd - 18751 administered. Just gone over 700,000 total doses administered.

If the promised AZ stock of 160K arrive we should break the 1m barrier in first shots in the next week or so.

funnydoggy

washman3 wrote: »

Are you annoyed that he's telling the truth or what.?
Ireland administered a grand total of 6, yes 6, second doses last Sunday.
Meanwhile the UK are administering an average of 27 per second...!!!
And the USA administered 4.5 MILLION last Friday.
Just saying.....;)

This aged well.

Bubbaclaus

Amirani wrote: »

Fergal Bowers doesn't work for the Department of Health or the HSE, so him saying something doesn't make it the official figure.

The HSE have already said that the number on the dashboard is not accurate. You should stop treating Fergal Bowers as an official source of health data.

I've lost an awful lot of respect for the journalistic ability of Bowers in recent months. Seems to tweet a lot of clearly inaccurate information as fact and clearly without any sense checking.