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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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Wolf359f

irishlad. wrote: »

Numbers changed around in a few cohorts

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=1219026690

It's gotta be a mess, could have a HCW with underlying conditions working in a nursing home. That 1 person belongs to cohort, 1,2 & 4.
Lots of overlapping for sure.

astrofool

namloc1980 wrote: »

Except they aren't providing live data. The dashboard itself is 2-3 days behind (currently showing Monday) so the excuses for it still not being accurate after that time are nonsense. Pure drivel.

These 2 things can be true:
The data when uploaded and first made available isn't fully verified (2-3 days after the day)
The fully verified data will only be available a few more days after that

It is known the dashboard has raw unverified data on it, thus any conclusions made from it immediately may not be accurate.

To fix it would mean the HSE hiring or redistributing people to make the data collection process more seamless and verified.

Ultimately the data doesn't need to be accurate until 7 days later (and still some GP's may not have made submissions by then) as they do the planning on deliveries on a weekly basis.

Either way getting angry at data that we know will change is not productive, you can get angry at the speed of collecting the data to your hearts content.

marno21

https://twitter.com/naomiohreally/status/1375105543493275653?s=21

Enough to FULLY vaccinate 78% of Irish adults by end Q2. This is also assuming AstraZeneca continue to remind people of the words pissup and brewery.

Israel have 54% done, open now with a month (caveat: vaccine passports) and R is now down to 0.55

We will be in parallel universe territory come June.

namloc1980

Tone deaf from Ursula essentially boasting about how much vaccine has been sent out of the EU over the last 3 months, 77m doses, while the situation in the EU is a farce.

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namloc1980 wrote: »

Tone deaf from Ursula essentially boasting about how much vaccine has been sent out of the EU over the last 3 months, 77m doses, while the situation in the EU is a farce.

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Can't believe vaccines went to China of all places.

PCeeeee

namloc1980 wrote: »

Tone deaf from Ursula essentially boasting about how much vaccine has been sent out of the EU over the last 3 months, 77m doses, while the situation in the EU is a farce.

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While I'm not much of an UVDL fan I'm not sure about tone deaf. I think that is aimed squarely those not sharing this far.

CIARAN_BOYLE

namloc1980 wrote: »

Tone deaf from Ursula essentially boasting about how much vaccine has been sent out of the EU over the last 3 months, 77m doses, while the situation in the EU is a farce.

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Its also providing justification for any restrictions.

Hey look we aren't the bad guys. Your just taking the piss.

Gile_na_gile

I guess that infographic shows everything that is worst and best about the European Commission at the same time. A French official termed us (the EU) a "useful idiot" in the vaccine race. I linked to that 100m dose order from PR China a while back. I think the present export control moves are about the best compromise. There is still the matter of pressuring J&J to advance their orders instead of sending them only at the absolute end of Q2.

We can see societal consensus on social distancing measures is now breaking down somewhat (I know, I know - a minority) and cases are going up around Europe, so there will be plenty more vaccine politics as cases rise in many countries and pressure piles on pressure. Only a minority of people take an active interest in threads like this.

astrofool

Realistically we're looking to be a few weeks behind the UK and US (mostly done by summer), while also getting the world started on vaccinations and getting the most vulnerable vaccinated. Everybody on the planet will need access to vaccines, and the EU is doing the right thing by sharing them as broadly as they have. Yes, it's frustrating that it isn't going faster, and there will be a lot of selfish individuals who value themselves above others in other countries, but the world is lucky that the EU has such an approach.

From the virus perspective, it also starts reducing the risk of other strains getting out of control and putting us back to square one (I think this is quite unlikely due to the spike protein, but if we let the virus spread rampantly, unlikely becomes likely).

JTMan

eoinbn wrote: »

Novavax will be delivering in April/May. Curevac are Q3.

When you say April/May for Novavax ... I guess you are talking about non-EU deliveries?

CureVac said yesterday that they expect EMA approval by June. A lot later than was originally envisaged, some of the delays included their CEO getting a massive stroke and ending up in a coma. Also, CureVac say that the natural mRNA that they use is more complex to manufacture than the artificial component in the Moderna and BioNTech mRNA formula.

Water John

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Boris should have kept his gob closed

The Brexiteers will ride any horse, even if it isn't in the race.

Micky 32

A positive qoute from Dr Glynn this evening:

“” The vaccination programme will 'bring us back to a level of normality that we haven't experienced since 2019,' Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn has said,””

JacksonHeightsOwn

Micky 32 wrote: »

A positive qoute from Dr Glynn this evening:

“” The vaccination programme will 'bring us back to a level of normality that we haven't experienced since 2019,' Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn has said,””

No timeline I presume?

Melanchthon

JTMan wrote: »

When you say April/May for Novavax ... I guess you are talking about non-EU deliveries?

Confirmation that Novavax deal not agreed, article a short time ago.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-novavax-exclusi-idUSKBN2BH2GY

Issues with production but this is interesting highlight and what something raised in this thread before.

The EU official, who asked not to named as the talks are confidential, said the company had postponed signing a deal for weeks, citing legal issues in meetings with the bloc’s vaccine negotiators.

“They are slowing down the process of finishing the contract,” the official, who attended the meetings, told Reuters.

So when I went through Novavax press releases a week or two ago it was 110 million doses already ordered to places without production at the minute, the legal issues are possibly to do with the fact a EU contract may end up jeopardizing those early orders.

Edit: in general though this seems to be bad news for everyone outside the USA

Godot.

Novavax are irrelevant tbh. They don't start delivering until the 2nd half of the year by which time Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson will be running at full scale and CureVac will also be delivering. That doesn't get reported by the gutter media because it gives them another excuse to have a pop at Europe.

JTMan

Melanchthon wrote: »

Confirmation that Novavax deal not agreed, article a short time ago.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-novavax-exclusi-idUSKBN2BH2GY

The article says that the EU are now aiming for June to sign a deal with Novavax

ACitizenErased

JTMan wrote: »

The article says that the EU are now aiming for June to sign a deal with Novavax :(

Novavax is sorta irrelevant now tbh

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Godot. wrote: »

Novavax are irrelevant tbh. They don't start delivering until the 2nd half of the year by which time Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson will be running at full scale and CureVac will also be delivering. That doesn't get reported by the gutter media because it gives them another excuse to have a pop at Europe.

Also, Biden will probably be lifting the export ban at some point in Q2 which will be another big boost, especially for Moderna supplies which relatively few countries in the world have ordered due to expense.

funnydoggy

Fergal Bowers is annoying me lol

eoinbn

marno21 wrote: »

Enough to FULLY vaccinate 78% of Irish adults by end Q2. This is also assuming AstraZeneca continue to remind people of the words pissup and brewery.

Israel have 54% done, open now with a month (caveat: vaccine passports) and R is now down to 0.55

We will be in parallel universe territory come June.

That is misleading due to the gaps between dosages and that fact that it will be backload. Very few people that get AZ in Q2 will be fully vaccinated by the end of Q2. That alone reduces the number to ~70%. There will also be hundreds of thousands of people that get first doses in June that won't receive a second dose until July. Still even if we just get in the ballpark of the expected shipments we will be in a good place.

JTMan wrote: »

When you say April/May for Novavax ... I guess you are talking about non-EU deliveries?

CureVac said yesterday that they expect EMA approval by June. A lot later than was originally envisaged, some of the delays included their CEO getting a massive stroke and ending up in a coma. Also, CureVac say that the natural mRNA that they use is more complex to manufacture than the artificial component in the Moderna and BioNTech mRNA formula.

Yes, the UK are hopeful of getting some by May. Novavax want to deliver 100m to the US in June/July. However the US might not need it by then.

Hopefully Curevac won't be that important in Ireland as most/all adults will have had 1 shot by the time it is here. However on the continent it will likely play an important role in vaccinating some of the vaccine hesitant folks that refuse to take AZ. I am sure a German vaccine produced in Germany will be more palatable to Germans and even to the French and Italians.

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marno21 wrote: »

Enough to FULLY vaccinate 78% of Irish adults by end Q2. This is also assuming AstraZeneca continue to remind people of the words pissup and brewery.

Israel have 54% done, open now with a month (caveat: vaccine passports) and R is now down to 0.55

We will be in parallel universe territory come June.

Israel have mid 70% of their adult population fully vaccinated.

Melanchthon

Godot. wrote: »

Novavax are irrelevant tbh. They don't start delivering until the 2nd half of the year by which time Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson will be running at full scale and CureVac will also be delivering. .

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Also, Biden will probably be lifting the export ban at some point in Q2 which will be another big boost, especially for Moderna supplies which relatively few countries in the world have ordered due to expense.

That's true I just worry about the Johnson and Johnson supply as it's something that so much hope has been placed in particularly after the difficulties with Moderna and whatever the hell is actually happening with Astra Zeneca.

Ironically anyway this makes the lack of Novavax deal actually a bigger deal as

CEO Stanley Erck told Reuters on March 1 the company expected to have tens of millions of doses stockpiled and ready to ship in the United States when it receives regulatory approval there, possibly in May

That will presumably go to Oz, new Zealand, Canada etc if the USA isn't using it I am not saying UK because I don't know did they only buy doses produced in the UK plant or have they put an order with exclusivity on first 60 million but with ability to be fulfilled from elsewhere.

Danzy

JTMan wrote: »

The article says that the EU are now aiming for June to sign a deal with Novavax :(

Of which year?

embraer170

leahyl wrote: »

Is it unusual that my 76 year old father still hasn't been contacted by his GP regarding his vaccination? I've heard of many people in that age group getting their vaccine and one person who is just 70 and was given a date in mid-April for theirs. i just thought my dad would have heard by now at least as to when he's getting it. My mum is 74 and hasn't heard anything either.

My 75 year old mom was told end of April. My father (86) at the same GP already got his second dose. Very frustrating.

crossman47

embraer170 wrote: »

My 75 year old mom was told end of April. My father (86) at the same GP already got his second dose. Very frustrating.

You've provided the reason in your post. The 85 + group were done forst, then 80-84 and now moving to 70+

washman3

funnydoggy wrote: »

Fergal Bowers is annoying me lol

Are you annoyed that he's telling the truth or what.?
Ireland administered a grand total of 6, yes 6, second doses last Sunday.
Meanwhile the UK are administering an average of 27 per second...!!!
And the USA administered 4.5 MILLION last Friday.
Just saying.....;)

Sweet.Science

washman3 wrote: »

Are you annoyed that he's telling the truth or what.?
Ireland administered a grand total of 6, yes 6, second doses last Sunday.
Meanwhile the UK are administering an average of 27 per second...!!!
And the USA administered 4.5 MILLION last Friday.
Just saying.....;)

I went on more walks last Sunday than the number of vaccinations that took place in Ireland

thebaz

washman3 wrote: »

Are you annoyed that he's telling the truth or what.?
Ireland administered a grand total of 6, yes 6, second doses last Sunday.
Meanwhile the UK are administering an average of 27 per second...!!!
And the USA administered 4.5 MILLION last Friday.
Just saying.....;)

Sorry, is that a joke - we administered only 6 doses on Sunday ??

If not it's scandolous, given this is done by the unelected body controlling our lives , who have us in lockdown level 5 for nearly 12 months, and no real strategy to exit (except vaccinations).

hynesie08

thebaz wrote: »

Sorry, is that a joke - we administered only 6 doses on Sunday ??

If not it's scandolous, given this is done by the unelected body controlling our lives , who have us in lockdown level 5 for nearly 12 months, and no real strategy to exit (except vaccinations).

We didn't, it was more than 6.

thebaz

hynesie08 wrote: »

We didn't, it was more than 6.

I should hope it was way way more than 6