namloc1980 wrote: » Well then they need to review the data quality and QA it in that case. Honestly, this stuff wouldn't be tolerated in most organisations.
Amirani wrote: » It obviously would've been QA'd in UAT before going to Production. These dashboards get direct data feeds from vaccination system, so they're entirely dependent on the data that gets loaded into that. If a weekend vaccination centre batch-uploaded data into the Salesforce system on a Monday, then there's not much that can be done to prevent against that at dashboard level, regardless of how much QA has been done.
namloc1980 wrote: » Grand so we can't believe the vaccinations data being provided and it needs to be checked and verified by people outside the HSE. Fantastic.
Turtwig wrote: » Are they parrots or journalists? If the figure was 6,600,000 for Sunday should they check it or take the data at face value? I expect journalists to be responsible. Ask hard but fair and accurate questions. Be investigative. The current crop do sweet fvk all in this regard. Real Time reporting of any data set is always going to have caveats. Interpretation of data is more than just reading a number.
Turtwig wrote: » No. Any real time reporting dashboards and interfaces needs to be used and interpreted appropriately.
landofthetree wrote: » https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1375114125630705674
namloc1980 wrote: » They're just posting the data that is published on the HSE dashboard. You would expect the data to be correct so why should journalists or the public have to double check if the published data is correct or not?
landofthetree wrote: » https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1375114125630705674 Organise. Piss-up. Brewery.
Apogee wrote: » HSE Briefing: -17,500 AZ administered since Sunday to Today -Estimate of 200-230k in Cohort 4 -Will take until end April/early May to do Cohort 4
titan18 wrote: » It's not real time. It's reporting pretty much 2 and a half days later. I work in a data/reporting role and create those reports and if I put out data that said we made 10 sales yesterday and we actually made it 1000 and that went to senior managers, I'd be fecked out of it.
eoinbn wrote: » I did think that might be part of the reason for the delay. The EU can't really complain about a vaccine that they havent ordered going from the EU to the UK, Canada, Australia US etc. They didn't back Novavax and instead threw billions at Curevac which has been a mistake. The people making these decisions need to be moved on. Nobody else made as many bad calls as the EU team.
RavenBea17b wrote: » You clearly have an issue with Brits - by calling Britain's behaviour and therefore defacto British people the C word - its a company!!! I do not agree with what AZUK are doing - but it's not a people - its a company. Why then didn't the EU contract stipulate differently? UK has, along with EU and others supplied materials, finances, people power to get a vaccine for COVAX as well as supply chain supplier. Why don't you start holding the Irish political parties accountable?? What was Ireland doing for vaccine procurement - before the EC took over. I have yet to read anything about that. Yes, AZUK plants should send some serum, but from what I have been reading UK was also down on what AZUK had promised before Christmas and continues to be. Why don't Ireland politician grow a pair and order direct?
Apogee wrote: » That estimate of 'very high risk' (which I'm interpreting as Cohort 4) has increased from 150,000 to 200-230k. 17 minutes in:https://bit.ly/3ffXAf4
namloc1980 wrote: » There are ways of ensuring data integrity and accuracy even on dashboards believe it or not.
IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: » But Novavax isn't delivering until the second half of the year. We will have CureVac by then.
eoinbn wrote: » Novavax will be delivering in April/May. Curevac are Q3.
Amirani wrote: » There's a difference between a live dashboard that takes a feed from a vaccination system, and as such is just a reflection of the input data to that system, and whatever reports it is you build manually. The HSE dashboard wouldn't have any human intervention after it goes through UAT and into production, so your analogy isn't appropriate.
JMR46 wrote: » Thanks for that update. I know a 96 year old housebound woman in the West of Ireland who hasn't been vaccinated yet so hopefully they will get to her soon. Thankfully all bar 1 of her carers have been vaccinated
Amirani wrote: » If your vaccination system (Salesforce) has 6 second doses loaded for Sunday, then you can put whatever data integrity and accuracy steps you want in at dashboard level, but your dashboard is still going to show 6 second doses.
JDD wrote: » Look, you're right. You can't blame the entire British public for the choices of their government, or how the vaccine roll out is being covered in the newspapers. Lets put who said what and who agreed what in what contract aside for one minute (because I haven't read the contracts so I'm not sure who should get priority)... If the EU are producing vaccines in their factories and exporting a portion of them to the UK and the US, And the UK and US are far ahead of the EU in terms of supply they are receiving - from both domestic factories and imports, And the UK and US are not exporting any of their domestically made vaccines to the EU, then that's kind of c**tish behaviour. You can say "well that's how the world works sonny - make sure you get better lawyers next time", or "well you should have individually negotiated for your own vaccines at a higher price like the UK did, then AZ would have prioritised you like they have with the UK" and fair enough if that's your position. I just don't find it very ethical or moral, especially in circumstances where 40 year olds are being vaccinated in the UK and US, whereas medically vulnerable people are still waiting for theirs in the EU. You can see why the EU will, ultimately, block exports.
astrofool wrote: » HSE isn't showing up to date data because it first has to validate the data People want the data faster to try and keep the rage away HSE makes dashboard available with live data with the caveat that each days data will take a few days to become accurate, and they make decisions only on the verified data, which will be published when verified People take a look at live dashboard data and see inaccurate data The rage starts again I mean, they were asked to provide the raw data, did so and put the caveats on the data in place, and people then complain that they provided the raw data as it comes in. People are the worst.
GT89 wrote: » Goalposts keep changing. First it was we must impose restrictions until we flatten the curve once the curve was flattened that became until there is a vaccine for covid, once the vaccine was approved that became until the vulnerable got the vaccine now most of the vulnerable have had their vaccine and the government are still not happy now that's become until everyone gets the vaccine. When everyone in Ireland/Europe gets the vaccine it will become until the world's entire population is vaccinated.
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