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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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namloc1980

Turtwig wrote: »

No.
Any real time reporting dashboards and interfaces needs to be used and interpreted appropriately.

There are ways of ensuring data integrity and accuracy even on dashboards believe it or not.

[Deleted User]

Turtwig wrote: »

Are they parrots or journalists?

If the figure was 6,600,000 for Sunday should they check it or take the data at face value? I expect journalists to be responsible. Ask hard but fair and accurate questions. Be investigative.
The current crop do sweet fvk all in this regard.

Real Time reporting of any data set is always going to have caveats. Interpretation of data is more than just reading a number.

That kind of highlights that 6 was not an unbelievable figure...

Wolf359f

namloc1980 wrote: »

Grand so we can't believe the vaccinations data being provided and it needs to be checked and verified by people outside the HSE. Fantastic.

Swab dashboard the other day had all zeros, if they reported we have zero positive tests and all tests thus far appear to have been false positives, in your book that's ok, because they are reporting the data.
Journalists used to investigate, now they just copy and paste and parrot stuff.

When they see something like 6 second doses on Sunday (and the same report warns of delays to reporting) they publish, ONLY 6 doses. They could have said at LEAST 6 doses and we've contacted the HSE for confirmation etc...

Fergal made the same mistake about 100k AZ doses sitting idle weeks ago, turns out he was going off incorrect delivery schedule and after he contacted the relevant department he was told what was delivered was used up and there was no further AZ deliveries etc...

Turtwig

namloc1980 wrote: »

Grand so we can't believe the vaccinations data being provided and it needs to be checked and verified by people outside the HSE. Fantastic.

No.
Any real time reporting dashboards and interfaces needs to be used and interpreted appropriately.

namloc1980

Amirani wrote: »

It obviously would've been QA'd in UAT before going to Production.

These dashboards get direct data feeds from vaccination system, so they're entirely dependent on the data that gets loaded into that. If a weekend vaccination centre batch-uploaded data into the Salesforce system on a Monday, then there's not much that can be done to prevent against that at dashboard level, regardless of how much QA has been done.

There is. I work on dashboards and there are plenty of mechanisms to ensure data integrity and not just throwing your hands up and saying "shur what can you do". Just endless excuses with the HSE.

Amirani

namloc1980 wrote: »

Well then they need to review the data quality and QA it in that case. Honestly, this stuff wouldn't be tolerated in most organisations.

It obviously would've been QA'd in UAT before going to Production.

These dashboards get direct data feeds from vaccination system, so they're entirely dependent on the data that gets loaded into that. If a weekend vaccination centre batch-uploaded data into the Salesforce system on a Monday, then there's not much that can be done to prevent against that at dashboard level, regardless of how much QA has been done.

namloc1980

Turtwig wrote: »

Are they parrots or journalists?

If the figure was 6,600,000 for Sunday should they check it or take the data at face value? I expect journalists to be responsible. Ask hard but fair and accurate questions. Be investigative.
The current crop do sweet fvk all in this regard.

Real Time reporting of any data set is always going to have caveats. Interpretation of data is more than just reading a number.

Grand so we can't believe the vaccinations data being provided and it needs to be checked and verified by people outside the HSE. Fantastic.

Turtwig

namloc1980 wrote: »

why should journalists or the public have to double check if the published data is correct or not?

Are they parrots or journalists?

If the figure was 6,600,000 for Sunday should they check it or take the data at face value? I expect journalists to be responsible. Ask hard but fair and accurate questions. Be investigative.
The current crop do sweet fvk all in this regard.

Real Time reporting of any data set is always going to have caveats. Interpretation of data is more than just reading a number.

namloc1980

Amirani wrote: »

It's automatic, it doesn't get published. That's how live dashboards work.

Well then they need to review the data quality and QA it in that case. Honestly, this stuff wouldn't be tolerated in most organisations.

Amirani

namloc1980 wrote: »

Publishing nonsense data is even more concerning ffs.

It's automatic, it doesn't get published. That's how live dashboards work.

Amirani

statesaver wrote: »

We cannot do anything right, can we ?

What a complete failure of a State.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1375054138740989956

After 3 months of a roleout.

Paul Reid confirmed today that the figure on the dashboard is wrong.

Likely the weekend testing centres uploaded their batches on Monday, so they were timestamped then. Calm down.

namloc1980

hmmm wrote: »

The HSE shouldn't publish incorrect data as it brings the program into disrepute.

Similarly journalists shouldn't be posting data which looks incorrect unless they have confirmed it.

My tuppence.

They're just posting the data that is published on the HSE dashboard. You would expect the data to be correct so why should journalists or the public have to double check if the published data is correct or not? The published data is either correct or it's not.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

landofthetree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1375114125630705674

Organise. Piss-up. Brewery.

By the time that's up and running we'll be getting Johnson & Johnson and maybe CureVac though.

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/health/coronavirus/when-will-novavax-be-approved-in-the-uk-date-covid-vaccine-could-get-approval-and-how-it-compares-to-astrazeneca-3173945

"If approved, the Novavax vaccine is expected to be available among the second wave of jabs to provide a “significant boost” to the rollout in the second half of 2021."

Yeah, no big deal tbh.

Turtwig

How many times has Fergal Bowers done that now?

Van.Bosch

odyssey06 wrote: »

Sometimes the more you understand the more obvious the mistakes are.
Don't show a date and figures if it's not valid. If it takes 24 hours for the data to come in, release the data then.

In this case the data is a few days lagged but still not accurate. Really with a two day lag it should be pretty close.

Saying that once the vaccines are being administered is the important thing.

hmmm

The HSE shouldn't publish incorrect data as it brings the program into disrepute.

Similarly journalists shouldn't be posting data which looks incorrect unless they have confirmed it.

My tuppence.

odyssey06

Sanjuro wrote: »

Data constantly gets updated. How have you not learned that for... well... your life?

Sometimes the more you understand the more obvious the mistakes are.
Don't show a date and figures if it's not valid. If it takes 24 hours for the data to come in, release the data then.

namloc1980

Sanjuro wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1375114649658609674?s=20

But let's all just jump to outrage at a clearly ludicrously low and incorrect number, shall we?

Publishing nonsense data is even more concerning ffs.

BigMo1

Sanjuro wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1375114649658609674?s=20

But let's all just jump to outrage at a clearly ludicrously low and incorrect number, shall we?

If the data is wrong, it shouldn't be made public before being verified.

Sanjuro

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's a HSE dashboard. IF it's garbage data take it down.

Data constantly gets updated. How have you not learned that for... well... your life?

odyssey06

Sanjuro wrote: »

But let's all just jump to outrage at a clearly ludicrously low and incorrect number, shall we?

It's a HSE dashboard. IF it's garbage data take it down or only apply the updates periodically and a updated timestamp.

JMR46

Apogee wrote: »

650 housebound now done (1,800 was previous estimated total).

Thanks for that update. I know a 96 year old housebound woman in the West of Ireland who hasn't been vaccinated yet so hopefully they will get to her soon.
Thankfully all bar 1 of her carers have been vaccinated

Sanjuro

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1375114649658609674?s=20

But let's all just jump to outrage at a clearly ludicrously low and incorrect number, shall we?

landofthetree

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1375114125630705674

Organise. Piss-up. Brewery.

statesaver

We cannot do anything right, can we ?

What a complete failure of a State.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1375054138740989956

After 3 months of a roleout.

Sofa King Great

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The HSE would not have the employment records of healthcare workers employed in the private sector

They wouldn't have the employment records but surely most are licensed or operate in some sort of regulated role? Also its not like they missed it by a few %.

They were off by 50k which equates to over 20%

Apogee

Apogee wrote: »

-Reid confirms 300 housebound now done.
-Started in East. Next starting in South and South East.

650 housebound now done (1,800 was previous estimated total).
10 ambulances in operation - each ambulance can dose 14 per day due to restrictions on vials (presumably mRNA storage requirements?).

[Deleted User]

crossman47 wrote: »

Of course CSO could provide a figure for the country but whats needed here is the number to be vaccinated in each place. The more I hear about it, the more I think GPs have not put the effort in. They must tell HSE how many patients they have, organise a timetable, etc. My own has been brilliant, everything operating like clockwork but I fear not all are like that.

I think too much has been asked of GPs, they are basically responsible for most of the rollout at the moment but also have to keep their practices running as normal. Clear reform needed to establish national databases. Sure the size of cohort 4 has basically doubled since they rejigged the priority groups.

leahyl

Is it unusual that my 76 year old father still hasn't been contacted by his GP regarding his vaccination? I've heard of many people in that age group getting their vaccine and one person who is just 70 and was given a date in mid-April for theirs. i just thought my dad would have heard by now at least as to when he's getting it. My mum is 74 and hasn't heard anything either.

[Deleted User]

eoinbn wrote: »

Seems like nonsense. Nobody was expecting J&J to deliver those numbers in April. It will be well into June before they deliver that amount to Denmark.

Q1 target is 55m for the entire bloc, with most scheduled for June so yeah looks like the article has got it confused. Think we're only due a small delivery in April, 35,000 or so.