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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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stephenjmcd

At last

https://twitter.com/fraguarascio/status/1374808675861327877?s=19

Wolf359f

stephenjmcd wrote: »

At last

https://twitter.com/fraguarascio/status/1374808675861327877?s=19

Would that be submitted today? The same day they hit the headlines for all the wrong reasons. The same day the UK and EU issue a joint statement about sorting out the vaccine issue? Timing seems really suspect for sure!

giveitholly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

At last

https://twitter.com/fraguarascio/status/1374808675861327877?s=19

How long will it take the EMA to approve this factory?

[Deleted User]

11521323 wrote: »

Can someone explain to me exactly how some nations in the EU are way ahead of us currently and in their timelines when we should all be getting the same supply per capita?

Malta appear to have done side deals, Denmark purchased vaccines other EU countries turned down, Hungary are using Sputnik and Sinopharm.

11521323

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Malta appear to have done side deals, Denmark purchased vaccines other EU countries turned down, Hungary are using Sputnik and Sinopharm.

Okay so when people support the Government by parroting the narrative that there's nothing more they could do, it's completely false.

Ireland are the middle of the road in the EU for the rollout despite us being one of the most wealthy, I cannot understand it and nobody has been able to adequately explain it to me.

Micky 32

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1374447882892288002?s=21

IRISHSPORTSGUY

https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1374751646627037184

User142

11521323 wrote: »

Okay so when people support the Government by parroting the narrative that there's nothing more they could do, it's completely false.

Ireland are the middle of the road in the EU for the rollout despite us being one of the most wealthy, I cannot understand it and nobody has been able to adequately explain it to me.

The Irish gov assumed that the EU rollout would be the best in the world and at a minimum as good as the US and UK rollouts so no need for additional supplies. They never saw us being so slow compared to either.

[Deleted User]

11521323 wrote: »

Okay so when people support the Government by parroting the narrative that there's nothing more they could do, it's completely false.

Ireland are the middle of the road in the EU for the rollout despite us being one of the most wealthy, I cannot understand it and nobody has been able to adequately explain it to me.

Our biggest hope of getting ahead of the pack is ironically the UK getting close to the finishing line, once they're close we will be first on the list for a bilateral deal. I think that's been reflected in recent comments by the Taoiseach.

[Deleted User]

User142 wrote: »

The Irish gov assumed that the EU rollout would be the best in the world and at a minimum as good as the US and UK rollouts so no need for additional supplies. They never saw us being so slow compared to either.

I think we sometimes assume the EU is something of a juggernaut, but realistically it has struggled to show much collective strength when faced with a crisis. No surprise really when the institutions are packed with politicians that have either failed in domestic elections or have been shuffled to Europe following a scandal or incompetence.

Tippbhoy1

11521323 wrote: »

Okay so when people support the Government by parroting the narrative that there's nothing more they could do, it's completely false.

Ireland are the middle of the road in the EU for the rollout despite us being one of the most wealthy, I cannot understand it and nobody has been able to adequately explain it to me.

There are about a couple of days worth of shots between almost all the EU countries. Ireland are right up there consistently since the start. I would say we should have bought the extra allocation of Moderna that was available but that’s about it (this is where false promises by other suppliers can influence decision making). Ireland won’t be going with non EMA approved vaccines. In the main I would say the narrative is more true than “completely false”

[Deleted User]

User142 wrote: »

The Irish gov assumed that the EU rollout would be the best in the world and at a minimum as good as the US and UK rollouts so no need for additional supplies. They never saw us being so slow compared to either.

For the eu to have had a rollout like the uk would have required more than 50% of doses produced worldwide so far to have ended up in the eu. Realistic? The eu have in fact already administered more than double their fair share and will accelerate next month. We only look bad in comparison to the very top. By July there will be f all between eu, uk and us, with the subtle difference that eu plants have been suppling some other countries equally in need rather than engaging in rampant me feinism.

11521323

User142 wrote: »

The Irish gov assumed that the EU rollout would be the best in the world and at a minimum as good as the US and UK rollouts so no need for additional supplies. They never saw us being so slow compared to either.

So the panel of highly paid individuals that they put together solely for this purpose didn't have the foresight to predict this early on but a bunch of people on Boards.ie did? I feel like we're living in a simulation.

Wolf359f

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For the eu to have had a rollout like the uk would have required more than 50% of doses produced worldwide so far to have ended up in the eu. Realistic? The eu have in fact already administered more than double their fair share and will accelerate next month. We only look bad in comparison to the very top. By July there will be f all between eu, uk and us, with the subtle difference that eu plants have been suppling some other countries equally in need rather than engaging in rampant me feinism.

Well it appears the only places exporting vaccines now are the EU, Switzerland, Russia and China. That speaks volumes in itself. The EU will likely overtake India in the next few weeks as the world's biggest exporter.

[Deleted User]

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1374751646627037184

It's literally next week. It's also literally 13 weeks from now.

Godot.

Big day tomorrow because of Biden's meeting with the EU. Vaccines are said to be a hot topic. Will he do anything to help speed things up?

New Home

Hi,

I've to travel via Amsterdam on Friday morning.

The Dutch website says:

"Option 1 You have to show 1 test result:a negative COVID-19 NAAT (PCR) test result that was taken within 24 hours before boarding your flight to the Netherlands.

Option 2 You have to show 2 test results:a negative COVID-19 NAAT (PCR) test result that was taken within 72 hours before your arrival in the Netherlands.a negative COVID-19 rapid test result that was taken within 24 hours before boarding your flight to the Netherlands. If you have a transfer in Amsterdam, you only need 1 NAAT (PCR) test result that's issued within 72 hours before arrival in Amsterdam."

Randox are providing a so-called RT-PCR test, aka an express PCR rest. Is that the same as a NAAT PCR test? I can't find a definite answer on the web.

Also, the PCR test is a molecular test, isn't it? Or is it an antigen one (I don't think so, but I thought I'd better double-check)?

Thanks.

Dressoutlet

Does anyone have info on walk in test centres?

hynesie08

Dressoutlet wrote: »

Does anyone have info on walk in test centres?

If you live within 5km you walk in and get tested....

vladmydad

Godot. wrote: »

Big day tomorrow because of Biden's meeting with the EU. Vaccines are said to be a hot topic. Will he do anything to help speed things up?

He threatened Brazil not to import the Russian vaccine and is now threatening Germany/EU not to take natural gas from Russia through an already completed pipeline, vital for EU emissions targets. But he’s not Trump so he’ll get a pass from the media.

yankinlk

I don't know anyone in the US that hasn't had at least one shot. In Ireland I only know 1 person at 83 that has had one shot.

What is going on why are we so slow to roll out?

[Deleted User]

yankinlk wrote: »

I don't know anyone in the US that hasn't had at least one shot. In Ireland I only know 1 person at 83 that has had one shot.

What is going on why are we so slow to roll out?

The US blocked all exports of vaccines from plants in the us until the past week when they sent a few that they weren’t using anyway to Canada and Mexico. The EU have allowed exports to 33 countries of 40million doses from plants within the EU. If the eu had banned exports they would have administered nearly as many as the US overall and more than the uk per capita as they have been the biggest importer from the eu. Its a bit c*ntish to vaccinate young people in your own country while hcw or the very old can’t get it in countries with continuing large outbreaks. Due to the uproar the eu is now considering going down the c*ntish route, but looks like maybe only towards those countries that have already vaccinated the vulnerable, until the eu get their own vulnerable vaccinated.

Danzy

Deleted User wrote: »

The US blocked all exports of vaccines from plants in the us until the past week when they sent a few that they weren’t using anyway to Canada and Mexico. The EU have allowed exports to 33 countries of 40million doses from plants within the EU. If the eu had banned exports they would have administered nearly as many as the US overall and more than the uk per capita as they have been the biggest importer from the eu. Its a bit c*ntish to vaccinate young people in your own country while hcw or the very old can’t get it in countries with continuing large outbreaks. Due to the uproar the eu is now considering going down the c*ntish route, but looks like maybe only towards those countries that have already vaccinated the vulnerable, until the eu get their own vulnerable vaccinated.

Other countries took the creation of vaccines very seriously. The Brits and yanks in the western world threw a wall of money and State support and pressure to create them.

The Russians and China did likewise. Even Cuba developed it's own vaccine.

The EU took a relaxed approach to it, talked about solidarity a lot and did sweet f all in relation to the gravity of the crisis.

The attitude to Covid is often relaxed in much of Europe, the belief in vaccines not universal by any means.

That is the real reason that a economic block with a 17 trillion Euro economy and about half the top 20 pharmaceutical companies in the world headquartered in it, can't vaccinate itself or others and is reduced to going on ad nauseam about Astra Zeneca.

If the EU had made a serious effort it could have developed several other vaccines.

Regarding the AZ vaccines that go now to the EU. They should only go to countries that will give them out or have bothered to put capacity to roll out volume. A big reduction in recipients from that.

Danzy

yankinlk wrote: »

I don't know anyone in the US that hasn't had at least one shot. In Ireland I only know 1 person at 83 that has had one shot.

What is going on why are we so slow to roll out?

Meetings on procurement and rollout are still happening at an EU level.

Others started that last May, and were mostly finished last year.

It's not that urgent it seems, not to them anyway.

[Deleted User]

Danzy wrote: »

Other countries took the creation of vaccines very seriously. The Brits and yanks in the western world threw a wall of money and State support and pressure to create them.

The Russians and China did likewise. Even Cuba developed it's own vaccine.

The EU took a relaxed approach to it, talked about solidarity a lot and did sweet f all in relation to the gravity of the crisis.

The attitude to Covid is often relaxed in much of Europe, the belief in vaccines not universal by any means.

That is the real reason that a economic block with a 17 trillion Euro economy and about half the top 20 pharmaceutical companies in the world headquartered in it, can't vaccinate itself or others and is reduced to going on ad nauseam about Astra Zeneca.

If the EU had made a serious effort it could have developed several other vaccines.

Regarding the AZ vaccines that go now to the EU. They should only go to countries that will give them out or have bothered to put capacity to roll out volume. A big reduction in recipients from that.

Who was the biggest funder of the Jenner institute that developed the AZ vaccine?
Who provided the largest amount of funding to BioNtech in developing what has been the most successful vaccine so far in partnership with Pfizer?
Vaccine manufacturing capacity in which countries are supplying the bulk of UK market?
The J&J vaccine of the OUS market will be produced where?
The Curecvac vaccine was developed where and will will be produced where?
The OUS supplies for Novovax will be manufactured where?
The EU have current deals in place for how many vaccines? Enough to dose their entire population how many times? Deals that included up front payments to assist in capacity
The EU have secured additional deals on top of initial deals for which vaccines?
Countries from which block are working with Gameleya to get more Sputnik manufacturing capacity?

When all is said and done it will be vaccines produced in EU countries and India that get the world vaccinated.

The failure of the Sanofi vacicne has probably been the biggest blow to the EU plans. If it had been AZ not Sanofi that failed, where would the UK be with their sweetheart Britain first deal? But Sanofi, along with Novartis and other European based pharma companies have stepped in to support ramping capacity of vaccines produced by competitors as they are best positioned to do so

Happydays2020

Godot. wrote: »

Big day tomorrow because of Biden's meeting with the EU. Vaccines are said to be a hot topic. Will he do anything to help speed things up?

It will not be a scene from Oliver Twist.

Wolf359f

Godot. wrote: »

Big day tomorrow because of Biden's meeting with the EU. Vaccines are said to be a hot topic. Will he do anything to help speed things up?

I doubt it. Once the US production overtakes their capacity to administer them, they could allow Pfizer/Moderna/AZ to use the excess to fulfill orders worldwide, thus relieving the pressure on the EU & Indian production.

But going by the AZ loans to Mexico & Canada, it appears it will be just used for politics. They are loans to Mexico & Canada, so you will have EU/Indian plants shipping to Mexico & Canada for them to replace the American stockpiles.
And because they would not have be produced in an FDA approved facility, they can't be used in the US, so it will be another round of loans to X Y Z.

NeuralNetwork

This is what’s worrying me about some of the continental rollouts - massive anti vax stuff may well result in it never reaching herd immunity. That level of scepticism is repeated in several countries.

https://twitter.com/siobhandowling/status/1374782316220911627?s=2

Ireland is in many ways very lucky not to be quite so far down that rabbit hole.

There’s a fair risk of this just rolling on and on and on...

[Deleted User]

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

This is what’s worrying me about some of the continental rollouts - massive anti vax stuff may well result in it never reaching herd immunity. That level of scepticism is repeated in several countries.

https://twitter.com/siobhandowling/status/1374782316220911627?s=2

Ireland is in many ways very lucky not to be quite so far down that rabbit hole.

There’s a fair risk of this just rolling on and on and on...

Something doesnt look right there.

1 million is almost 30% of the population of Berlin. 362,000 is 10%. We have given first jab to 10%. So it appears they are right in line with our rollout

GLaDOS

New Home wrote: »

Hi,

I've to travel via Amsterdam on Friday morning.

The Dutch website says:

"Option 1 You have to show 1 test result:a negative COVID-19 NAAT (PCR) test result that was taken within 24 hours before boarding your flight to the Netherlands.

Option 2 You have to show 2 test results:a negative COVID-19 NAAT (PCR) test result that was taken within 72 hours before your arrival in the Netherlands.a negative COVID-19 rapid test result that was taken within 24 hours before boarding your flight to the Netherlands. If you have a transfer in Amsterdam, you only need 1 NAAT (PCR) test result that's issued within 72 hours before arrival in Amsterdam."

Randox are providing a so-called RT-PCR test, aka an express PCR rest. Is that the same as a NAAT PCR test? I can't find a definite answer on the web.

Also, the PCR test is a molecular test, isn't it? Or is it an antigen one (I don't think so, but I thought I'd better double-check)?

Thanks.

NAAT seems to stand for Nucleic Acid Amplification Test. Which is just another way of saying PCR, as all PCR tests involve amplification of nucleic acid. So its just the standard PCR test, don't worry about the different names.

And yes, PCR is molecular, different from antigen detecting.