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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Tippbhoy1

astrofool wrote: »

We can buy outside the program, and buy Sputnik (might be a bit of symbolic supply) or Sinovac/Pharm.

Or we could try and do what the UK is doing, and secretly or overtly hijack supply that was meant to supply other countries, while also ensure that no vaccines get exported.

Or we could have signed up with Pfizer as an experiment and share all our data.

Or go back in time and setup large MNC pharmaceutical companies like the US has done, and prohibit exports.

You forgot the one where Ireland has the biggest pharma capacity in Europe (not actually true) and our (useless?) government should be doing something there to get us out of this mess of not being the number 1 vaccinated country in the world. I’m not sure what, but we need to be seen to do <insert barstool type idea here>.

I’d go with offering the treaty ports to Russia for a vial of Sputnik because every little helps.

Ha Long Bay

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

You forgot the one where Ireland has the biggest pharma capacity in Europe (not actually true) and our (useless?) government should be doing something there to get us out of this mess of not being the number 1 vaccinated country in the world. I’m not sure what, but we need to be seen to do <insert barstool type idea here>.

I’d go with offering the treaty ports to Russia for a vial of Sputnik because every little helps.

Would be helpful if Russia used their limited vaccine supply to protect their own citizens instead of a propaganda tool which some people seem to be lapping up. Don't see that happening anytime soon though.

WoollyRedHat

Denmark apparently has a really good digital healthcare system which is helping with their rollout as was as spacing Pfizer shots 6-weeks apart, similar to U.K.

ETA: still only half the duration of UK in terms of spacing out first and second doses mind

Tippbhoy1

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Denmark apparently has a really good digital healthcare system which is helping with their rollout as was as spacing Pfizer shots 6-weeks apart, similar to U.K.

Is there any conclusive data on the 12 week gap with Pfizer that the UK are doing?

WoollyRedHat

Pfizer looking at a oral antiviral drug for Covid , which has gone into early stage clinical trial testing in the US.
Drug uses protease inhibitors which works by inhibiting an enzyme that the virus needs to replicate in human cells. Preclinical results show positive results.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/23/covid-pfizer-begins-early-stage-clinical-trial-testing-oral-antiviral-drug.html

They will provide more details on the drug at the Spring American Chemical Society meeting on April 6.

WoollyRedHat

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

Is there any conclusive data on the 12 week gap with Pfizer that the UK are doing?

I think it's still too early to say.

Fitz*

This just looks like 10am the morning after a rural 21st birthday party.

https://twitter.com/LeeConroyy/status/1374295575273820160?s=19

JTMan

The UK, who were one step ahead with vaccinations, are now actively planning the vaccination of children. The Telegraph has an exclusive on the UK children vaccination programme here.

- Vaccinations of children to occur in August.
- Vaccinations will be the Oxford/AZ jab.
- Ministers will make final decisions in June or July when Oxford release safety data.
- UK target is 11 million school-age children could be vaccinated before the autumn term.
- Oxford trial is on those aged six to 17. (Other vaccines are already authorised for 16 and 17 year olds).

Key difference to the US is the US are planning to vaccinate those aged 12-15 in August according to Fauchi while the UK are planning to vaccinate 6+.

Is Ireland planning children vaccinations in August before schools reopen?

Sweet.Science

JTMan wrote: »

The UK, who were one step ahead with vaccinations, are now actively planning the vaccination of children. The Telegraph has an exclusive on the UK children vaccination programme here.

- Vaccinations of children to occur in August.
- Vaccinations will be the Oxford/AZ jab.
- Ministers will make final decisions in June or July when Oxford release safety data.
- UK target is 11 million school-age children could be vaccinated before the autumn term.
- Oxford trial is on those aged six to 17. (Other vaccines are already authorised for 16 and 17 year olds).

Key difference to the US is the US are planning to vaccinate those aged 12-15 in August according to Fauchi while the UK are planning to vaccinate 6+.

Is Ireland planning children vaccinations in August before schools reopen?

This is going to be interesting . No way will my child be taking one anyway

beggars_bush

JTMan wrote: »

The UK, who were one step ahead with vaccinations, are now actively planning the vaccination of children. The Telegraph has an exclusive on the UK children vaccination programme here.

- Vaccinations of children to occur in August.
- Vaccinations will be the Oxford/AZ jab.
- Ministers will make final decisions in June or July when Oxford release safety data.
- UK target is 11 million school-age children could be vaccinated before the autumn term.
- Oxford trial is on those aged six to 17. (Other vaccines are already authorised for 16 and 17 year olds).

Key difference to the US is the US are planning to vaccinate those aged 12-15 in August according to Fauchi while the UK are planning to vaccinate 6+.

Is Ireland planning children vaccinations in August before schools reopen?

AZ is not licenced for U18s here

IRISHSPORTSGUY

https://twitter.com/MatinaStevis/status/1374531658343415810

If that export ban includes Pfizer, Ursula von der Leyen would want to be sure that lipids can be sourced from elsewhere. Assuming there's a British retaliation and they stop sending the ingredients she's toast if production grinds to a halt.

Sweet.Science

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MatinaStevis/status/1374531658343415810

If that export ban includes Pfizer, Ursula von der Leyen would want to be sure that lipids can be sourced from elsewhere. Assuming there's a British retaliation and they stop sending the ingredients she's toast if production grinds to a halt.

You would have to hope this was all looked into first . I'm sure it was

is_that_so

chrisbonnie wrote: »

I don't think anything could be further from the truth.

But when you hear of people your own age (40) getting vaccinated in the UK while your parents, in their late 60's over here are still at least 10 weeks away from getting one, you can't help but feel aggrieved.

Ignoring the right to be outraged usually works very well in this situation. The precautions won't change tomorrow even if they do get their shots, nor will they for quite some months to come.

Tippbhoy1

Sweet.Science wrote: »

You would have to hope this was all looked into first . I'm sure it was

The Uk isn’t the only source of lipids for European production.

is_that_so

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MatinaStevis/status/1374531658343415810

If that export ban includes Pfizer, Ursula von der Leyen would want to be sure that lipids can be sourced from elsewhere. Assuming there's a British retaliation and they stop sending the ingredients she's toast if production grinds to a halt.

That's a zero sum game and Boris just making noises, which is why he's got a eye on "sharing" the Dutch vaccines. It is disappointing how the delivery of such a very useful vaccine has been stymied by a company chancing their arm at vaccines. We might even blame Hancock for saying no to a deal with a proper vaccine company, Merck.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

The Uk isn’t the only source of lipids for European production.

Doesn't mean that other sources can take over the whole European order.

Anyway as long as Pfizer can meet our contract any export ban shouldn't include them.

stephenjmcd

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MatinaStevis/status/1374531658343415810

If that export ban includes Pfizer, Ursula von der Leyen would want to be sure that lipids can be sourced from elsewhere. Assuming there's a British retaliation and they stop sending the ingredients she's toast if production grinds to a halt.

Some important points in the below article as to actually putting in place an export ban.

https://www.politico.eu/article/commission-to-table-tougher-vaccine-export-rules/

Personally I doubt this will be used much if ever to be honest & it isn't a straight out ban on exports, it's still a discretionary measure. The EU has only blocked 1 export so far anyway.

Essentially this is the EU saying, well now we've included extra reasons as to why we can block an export but don't make us use them.

Tippbhoy1

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Doesn't mean that other sources can take over the whole European order.

Anyway as long as Pfizer can meet our contract any export ban shouldn't include them.

You would have to hope the numbers have been done, maybe it can, maybe it can’t. The new Biontech facility will have no Uk dependency as an example. If it’s a 6 week ban, it mightn’t be in any countries interest to stop sending raw materials if they have dependencies on output.

Why shouldn’t it include Pfizer? Lots of people on here complaining about how the European rollout is behind the uk and the US and they have export bans. You can’t have it both ways. In my view if you’re complaining about the rollout then you should support an export ban. You can’t pick and choose.

Not saying you’re saying that by the way. For the record, I dont think we should stop Pfizer exports, but I also don’t think we should be comparing ourselves to other countries who are doing things differently and complaining about it.

stephenjmcd

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

You would have to hope the numbers have been done, maybe it can, maybe it can’t. The new Biontech facility will have no Uk dependency as an example. If it’s a 6 week ban, it mightn’t be in any countries interest to stop sending raw materials if they have dependencies on output.

Why shouldn’t it include Pfizer? Lots of people on here complaining about how the European rollout is behind the uk and the US and they have export bans. You can’t have it both ways. In my view if you’re complaining about the rollout then you should support an export ban. You can’t pick and choose.

Not saying you’re saying that by the way. For the record, I dont think we should stop Pfizer exports, but I also don’t think we should be comparing ourselves to other countries who are doing things differently and complaining about it.

On the bolded point, there is no outright ban on exports coming.

I think people are a little confused on this and as to what the EU commission is actually adding in here.

The export control mechanism would still be discretionary with EU countries required to approve or prohibit export authorization requests and to then inform the Commission, just as it is today. Difference being the scope to block an export will be wider

funnydoggy

Fitz* wrote: »

This just looks like 10am the morning after a rural 21st birthday party.

https://twitter.com/LeeConroyy/status/1374295575273820160?s=19

We are constrained by supply.

It's time Lee and other twitter folks to take a break from social media.

is_that_so

funnydoggy wrote: »

We are constrained by supply.

It's time Lee and other twitter folks to take a break from social media.

Not when the tweet is getting over 1K in likes for a photograph of a tent and a well-worn stream of exhausted clichés. Lee doesn't do inconvenient facts.

silverharp

whats Ireland up to that they arent on par with Denmark?

https://twitter.com/alankellylabour/status/1374390324257116165

Red Silurian

funnydoggy wrote: »

We are constrained by supply.

Plenty of supply in Israel, the UK and the USA

We're contained by useless Ursula

Tippbhoy1

Red Silurian wrote: »

Plenty of supply in Israel, the UK and the USA

We're contained by useless Ursula

Yep, three countries, must be at least half the world.
Do you support an export ban? I presume yes?

is_that_so

silverharp wrote: »

whats Ireland up to that they arent on par with Denmark?

https://twitter.com/alankellylabour/status/1374390324257116165

It's a prediction that is not set in stone. As usual Alan Kelly not informing himself at all.

From that article.

"This is however dependent on us being able to keep infections down and use vaccine passports,"

is_that_so

Red Silurian wrote: »

Plenty of supply in Israel, the UK and the USA

Pfizer data deal at twice the price, AZ contracts deal and Warp Speed contracts.

Tippbhoy1

silverharp wrote: »

whats Ireland up to that they arent on par with Denmark?

https://twitter.com/alankellylabour/status/1374390324257116165

Denmark are following a somewhat similar approach to the UK by focusing on first dose only, not holding back supplies, and stretching the dose window. They also bought more of the pricier vaccines when an option came up earlier that other nations declined, we didn’t (the one big mistake I would have a gripe with the government for, at the time Astra ****storm hadn’t hit)

stefanovich

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Israel signed up to be guinea pigs and are small population wise compared to Europe

Larger population than Ireland. Have land borders and higher population density too. And they did better than us because they acted independently and aggressively. Ireland are followers - waiting for others to act first - waiting for instruction from the EU. Terrified of being held accountable for anything.

Also:

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Israel signed up to be guinea pigs

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Uk got ahead by being reckless

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Please stop with simplistic slogans

dominatinMC

silverharp wrote: »

whats Ireland up to that they arent on par with Denmark?

https://twitter.com/alankellylabour/status/1374390324257116165

Regardless of the motivation behind the tweet, I have to say that I find it reassuring to see such articles becoming more frequent lately. UK plan to fully reopen, Denmark are fully-reopening, some states in the US are either (some would argue recklessly) fully-open already or plan to do so shortly, etc, etc. It just gives us hope that the end is in sight, despite the current paucity of vaccines currently in this country. But once the supply does increase, and if it does so in accordance with projections, I think we can be confident of fully-opening up (bar international travel) by year end.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

We are on course to finish sooner than a lot of EU countries. This craic lately of people picking out exceptionalist examples and using it as a stick to beat the government with is very odd. Thin gruel.