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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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WoollyRedHat

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

Is there any conclusive data on the 12 week gap with Pfizer that the UK are doing?

I think it's still too early to say.

WoollyRedHat

Pfizer looking at a oral antiviral drug for Covid , which has gone into early stage clinical trial testing in the US.
Drug uses protease inhibitors which works by inhibiting an enzyme that the virus needs to replicate in human cells. Preclinical results show positive results.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/23/covid-pfizer-begins-early-stage-clinical-trial-testing-oral-antiviral-drug.html

They will provide more details on the drug at the Spring American Chemical Society meeting on April 6.

Tippbhoy1

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Denmark apparently has a really good digital healthcare system which is helping with their rollout as was as spacing Pfizer shots 6-weeks apart, similar to U.K.

Is there any conclusive data on the 12 week gap with Pfizer that the UK are doing?

WoollyRedHat

Denmark apparently has a really good digital healthcare system which is helping with their rollout as was as spacing Pfizer shots 6-weeks apart, similar to U.K.

ETA: still only half the duration of UK in terms of spacing out first and second doses mind

Ha Long Bay

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

You forgot the one where Ireland has the biggest pharma capacity in Europe (not actually true) and our (useless?) government should be doing something there to get us out of this mess of not being the number 1 vaccinated country in the world. I’m not sure what, but we need to be seen to do <insert barstool type idea here>.

I’d go with offering the treaty ports to Russia for a vial of Sputnik because every little helps.

Would be helpful if Russia used their limited vaccine supply to protect their own citizens instead of a propaganda tool which some people seem to be lapping up. Don't see that happening anytime soon though.

Tippbhoy1

astrofool wrote: »

We can buy outside the program, and buy Sputnik (might be a bit of symbolic supply) or Sinovac/Pharm.

Or we could try and do what the UK is doing, and secretly or overtly hijack supply that was meant to supply other countries, while also ensure that no vaccines get exported.

Or we could have signed up with Pfizer as an experiment and share all our data.

Or go back in time and setup large MNC pharmaceutical companies like the US has done, and prohibit exports.

You forgot the one where Ireland has the biggest pharma capacity in Europe (not actually true) and our (useless?) government should be doing something there to get us out of this mess of not being the number 1 vaccinated country in the world. I’m not sure what, but we need to be seen to do <insert barstool type idea here>.

I’d go with offering the treaty ports to Russia for a vial of Sputnik because every little helps.

astrofool

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

No, buying outside the program is not vaccine nationalism.

We can buy outside the program, and buy Sputnik (might be a bit of symbolic supply) or Sinovac/Pharm.

Or we could try and do what the UK is doing, and secretly or overtly hijack supply that was meant to supply other countries, while also ensure that no vaccines get exported.

Or we could have signed up with Pfizer as an experiment and share all our data.

Or go back in time and setup large MNC pharmaceutical companies like the US has done, and prohibit exports.

Tippbhoy1

Deleted User wrote: »

By tying ourselves exclusively to the EU we've basically guaranteed we can't be more than marginally better or worse than ~80% of the developed countries in the world.

Then the argument becomes circular.
So the EU is holding us back?
No, we can buy outside the programme.
Cool, will we buy outside the programme?
No, that's vaccine nationalism!

No, buying outside the program is not vaccine nationalism.

Red Silurian

Danzy wrote: »

Focus and effort, all 3 have very strong belief in vaccine science and the need to rollout vaccines.

All 3 put people who knew what they were doing in charge of all stages.

They took it serious. Their numbers reflect that.

So... It's not just a supply issue then?

JacksonHeightsOwn

VonLuck wrote: »

Sometimes I think people want us to fail with the vaccine with the constant comparisons to the UK and Israel. There might be 10 countries in the entire world that have higher vaccination figures and that's somehow just not good enough? What makes Ireland so special that they should be ahead of every other country in the world?

I don't think anything could be further from the truth.

But when you hear of people your own age (40) getting vaccinated in the UK while your parents, in their late 60's over here are still at least 10 weeks away from getting one, you can't help but feel aggrieved.

[Deleted User]

VonLuck wrote: »

Sometimes I think people want us to fail with the vaccine with the constant comparisons to the UK and Israel. There might be 10 countries in the entire world that have higher vaccination figures and that's somehow just not good enough? What makes Ireland so special that they should be ahead of every other country in the world?

By tying ourselves exclusively to the EU we've basically guaranteed we can't be more than marginally better or worse than ~80% of the developed countries in the world.

Then the argument becomes circular.
So the EU is holding us back?
No, we can buy outside the programme.
Cool, will we buy outside the programme?
No, that's vaccine nationalism!

astrofool

giveitholly wrote: »

Would this number of vaccines have been accounted for us hopefully getting 80% of adult population vaccinated(least one jab) or will they extra vaccines?

The AZ supply estimates have been vastly reduced, so if they do come through with even half of what they say, it will put us ahead of schedule (provided the other companies remain on track).

VonLuck

Sometimes I think people want us to fail with the vaccine with the constant comparisons to the UK and Israel. There might be 10 countries in the entire world that have higher vaccination figures and that's somehow just not good enough? What makes Ireland so special that they should be ahead of every other country in the world?

stephenjmcd

giveitholly wrote: »

Would this number of vaccines have been accounted for us hopefully getting 80% of adult population vaccinated(least one jab) or will they extra vaccines?

Probably accounted for I'd say but honestly no idea.

Keep in mind though we've already factored in a 60% cut to whatever number AZ gave the government a few weeks ago. What they deliver remains to be seen

stephenjmcd

stephenjmcd wrote: »

An AstraZeneca document according to Reuters says March 25th, so this Thursday but there's nothing confirmed. Number of vaccines already produced on site also isn't confirmed but yeah whatever is there should see a decent delivery from once there's actually a decent amount ready to go

Actually hadn't spotted this

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2BE1RY?__twitter_impression=true

"We are well on track in order to get the approval by EMA (European Medicines Agency) in the course of March, beginning of April, and this is exactly according to our plan," said Ruud Dobber, executive vice president of the BioPharmaceuticals business on a briefing"

One thing I'll say is nobody knows how many go from Halix to EU or Halix to UK. So it's a wait and see situation really based on approval.

[Deleted User]

john4321 wrote: »

Because we are in the EU and are doing pretty well when you compare apples to apples.

Sure so long as we're all suffering together we could have nothing to envy.

CIARAN_BOYLE

giveitholly wrote: »

Would this number of vaccines have been accounted for us hopefully getting 80% of adult population vaccinated(least one jab) or will they extra vaccines?

Its hard to know what Astra Zenaca numbers are built into the modeling. They've promised and revised downwards so many times. I believe its vaccines they've promised to us already.

giveitholly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

An AstraZeneca document according to Reuters says March 25th but there's nothing confirmed. Number of vaccines already produced on site also isn't confirmed but yeah whatever is there should see a decent delivery from once there's actually a decent amount ready to go

Would this number of vaccines have been accounted for us hopefully getting 80% of adult population vaccinated(least one jab) or will they extra vaccines?

Ha Long Bay

Red Silurian wrote: »

They say lack of supply yet Israel, UK and USA ahead of vaccination schedule, how is that?

Because we are in the EU and are doing pretty well when you compare apples to apples.

Danzy

Red Silurian wrote: »

They say lack of supply yet Israel, UK and USA ahead of vaccination schedule, how is that?

Focus and effort, all 3 have very strong belief in vaccine science and the need to rollout vaccines.

All 3 put people who knew what they were doing in charge of all stages.

They took it serious. Their numbers reflect that.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Haven't been keeping on top of the vaccine stories lately . When can we expect the plant in the Nederlands to be approved ?

And will that result in more vaccines straight away ?

Earlier in the month Astra Zenaca was saying tomorrow. Now Astra Zenaca executives are saying early April.

Borris has been ringing EU leaders and telling them that the UK owns the doses in the Dutch plant and the EU has to ship it to them or else so God only knows if Astra Zenaca will go along with Borris or if the EU will have to use export controls to keep those doses.

There's supposedly an amount in storage in Halix awaiting approval but I don't know how much the amount is. The doses in storage should be available quickly. I can't find a reliable source with an amount but speculation has said 10 million.

stephenjmcd

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Haven't been keeping on top of the vaccine stories lately . When can we expect the plant in the Nederlands to be approved ?

And will that result in more vaccines straight away ?

An AstraZeneca document according to Reuters says March 25th, so this Thursday but there's nothing confirmed. Number of vaccines already produced on site also isn't confirmed but yeah whatever is there should see a decent delivery from once there's actually a decent amount ready to go

Ha Long Bay

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Speed, Supply, distribution, lack of I.T system...
Purchase outside EU agreements possible but not done.

Listen you know all this, and i'm not going to sit here all night typing out the same thing all night so the above stands.

The only issue so far is the one highlighted "supply"

Your original attempt to pull at the heartstrings using hyperbole is fairly obvious.

"A Very sad day when you see people who've completely lost faith in this Government and the shambolic vaccine rollout that they're so desperate to get the Vaccine they travel up North knowing the chances of getting the jab are little or none...."

Enjoy your night.

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

How long will a decision on Sputnik take

There's no timeline & even if there was the supply chain isn't there to supply in any decent quantities (already discussed why so I'm not going to repeat)

Atlantic Dawn

Gael23 wrote: »

How long will a decision on Sputnik take

I'd say weeks rather than months, they are doing manufacturing site inspections next.

Sweet.Science

Haven't been keeping on top of the vaccine stories lately . When can we expect the plant in the Nederlands to be approved ?

And will that result in more vaccines straight away ?

Tenzor07

Red Silurian wrote: »

They say lack of supply yet Israel, UK and USA ahead of vaccination schedule, how is that?

I'm just watching Prime Time now, over in Tel Aviv they have Pop-up vaccine tents outside pubs where you can get a shot of Vodka for a shot of the vaccine... a different world....

Professor Moriarty

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Speed, Supply, distribution, lack of I.T system...
Purchase outside EU agreements possible but not done.

Listen you know all this, and i'm not going to sit here all night typing out the same thing all night so the above stands.

Where was this possible for Ireland? How many vaccines? Under what approval?

Gael23

How long will a decision on Sputnik take

Red Silurian

john4321 wrote: »

Again what's shambolic (chaotic, disorganized, or mismanaged) about the rollout apart from lack of supply? You cant distribute something you dont have.

They say lack of supply yet Israel, UK and USA ahead of vaccination schedule, how is that?