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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Tenzor07

john4321 wrote: »

All reports I have read here of people being vaccinated have been positive.

Yeap, I'm sure the fortunate few are delighted they're vaccinated while everyone else isn't, that's a good feeling for them i'm sure to feel safe... Meanwhile 1000's of over 70's and 80's sit around waiting for that call from their Doctor which seems a very long time coming...maybe next month...Maybe..

daydorunrun

namloc1980 wrote: »

Zero chances of that.

Two weeks in Cancun- flight to Florida and off to Walgreens with ya!

Ha Long Bay

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Lack of supply is shambolic.

Lack of supply = lack of supply. How do you equate that to a shambolic rollout?

We are distributing the supply we receive in an effective manor so far and hope it continues.

Ha Long Bay

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Yeap, I'm sure the fortunate few are delighted they're vaccinated while everyone else isn't, that's a good feeling for them i'm sure to feel safe... Meanwhile 1000's of over 70's and 80's sit around waiting for that call from their Doctor which seems a very long time coming...maybe next month...Maybe..

Again what's shambolic (chaotic, disorganized, or mismanaged) about the rollout apart from lack of supply? You cant distribute something you dont have.

stephenjmcd

votecounts wrote: »

https://twitter.com/thejournal_ie/status/1374464917550469123
thought this would have been an issue earlier

Not many people even tried it. Then the examiner ran a story based on this
https://twitter.com/patphelan/status/1373335430729506816?s=19

However multiple people have replied saying its not possible and I know someone who tried it and it isn't. They're saying now you need to be registered with a GP in NI & have a NI health number. It's being throughly clamped down on.

You might be able to book it but you won't get a vaccine, you'll either be refused or contacted in advance and they'll figure it out then and cancel the appointment

This is what happens when a newspaper runs a poorly researched piece based on a tweet

Tenzor07

john4321 wrote: »

Again what's shambolic (chaotic, disorganized, or mismanaged) about the rollout apart from lack of supply? You cant distribute something you dont have.

Speed, Supply, distribution, lack of I.T system...
Purchase outside EU agreements possible but not done.

Listen you know all this, and i'm not going to sit here all night typing out the same thing all night so the above stands.

Red Silurian

john4321 wrote: »

Again what's shambolic (chaotic, disorganized, or mismanaged) about the rollout apart from lack of supply? You cant distribute something you dont have.

They say lack of supply yet Israel, UK and USA ahead of vaccination schedule, how is that?

Gael23

How long will a decision on Sputnik take

Professor Moriarty

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Speed, Supply, distribution, lack of I.T system...
Purchase outside EU agreements possible but not done.

Listen you know all this, and i'm not going to sit here all night typing out the same thing all night so the above stands.

Where was this possible for Ireland? How many vaccines? Under what approval?

Tenzor07

Red Silurian wrote: »

They say lack of supply yet Israel, UK and USA ahead of vaccination schedule, how is that?

I'm just watching Prime Time now, over in Tel Aviv they have Pop-up vaccine tents outside pubs where you can get a shot of Vodka for a shot of the vaccine... a different world....

Sweet.Science

Haven't been keeping on top of the vaccine stories lately . When can we expect the plant in the Nederlands to be approved ?

And will that result in more vaccines straight away ?

Atlantic Dawn

Gael23 wrote: »

How long will a decision on Sputnik take

I'd say weeks rather than months, they are doing manufacturing site inspections next.

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

How long will a decision on Sputnik take

There's no timeline & even if there was the supply chain isn't there to supply in any decent quantities (already discussed why so I'm not going to repeat)

Ha Long Bay

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Speed, Supply, distribution, lack of I.T system...
Purchase outside EU agreements possible but not done.

Listen you know all this, and i'm not going to sit here all night typing out the same thing all night so the above stands.

The only issue so far is the one highlighted "supply"

Your original attempt to pull at the heartstrings using hyperbole is fairly obvious.

"A Very sad day when you see people who've completely lost faith in this Government and the shambolic vaccine rollout that they're so desperate to get the Vaccine they travel up North knowing the chances of getting the jab are little or none...."

Enjoy your night.

stephenjmcd

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Haven't been keeping on top of the vaccine stories lately . When can we expect the plant in the Nederlands to be approved ?

And will that result in more vaccines straight away ?

An AstraZeneca document according to Reuters says March 25th, so this Thursday but there's nothing confirmed. Number of vaccines already produced on site also isn't confirmed but yeah whatever is there should see a decent delivery from once there's actually a decent amount ready to go

CIARAN_BOYLE

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Haven't been keeping on top of the vaccine stories lately . When can we expect the plant in the Nederlands to be approved ?

And will that result in more vaccines straight away ?

Earlier in the month Astra Zenaca was saying tomorrow. Now Astra Zenaca executives are saying early April.

Borris has been ringing EU leaders and telling them that the UK owns the doses in the Dutch plant and the EU has to ship it to them or else so God only knows if Astra Zenaca will go along with Borris or if the EU will have to use export controls to keep those doses.

There's supposedly an amount in storage in Halix awaiting approval but I don't know how much the amount is. The doses in storage should be available quickly. I can't find a reliable source with an amount but speculation has said 10 million.

Danzy

Red Silurian wrote: »

They say lack of supply yet Israel, UK and USA ahead of vaccination schedule, how is that?

Focus and effort, all 3 have very strong belief in vaccine science and the need to rollout vaccines.

All 3 put people who knew what they were doing in charge of all stages.

They took it serious. Their numbers reflect that.

Ha Long Bay

Red Silurian wrote: »

They say lack of supply yet Israel, UK and USA ahead of vaccination schedule, how is that?

Because we are in the EU and are doing pretty well when you compare apples to apples.

giveitholly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

An AstraZeneca document according to Reuters says March 25th but there's nothing confirmed. Number of vaccines already produced on site also isn't confirmed but yeah whatever is there should see a decent delivery from once there's actually a decent amount ready to go

Would this number of vaccines have been accounted for us hopefully getting 80% of adult population vaccinated(least one jab) or will they extra vaccines?

CIARAN_BOYLE

giveitholly wrote: »

Would this number of vaccines have been accounted for us hopefully getting 80% of adult population vaccinated(least one jab) or will they extra vaccines?

Its hard to know what Astra Zenaca numbers are built into the modeling. They've promised and revised downwards so many times. I believe its vaccines they've promised to us already.

[Deleted User]

john4321 wrote: »

Because we are in the EU and are doing pretty well when you compare apples to apples.

Sure so long as we're all suffering together we could have nothing to envy.

stephenjmcd

stephenjmcd wrote: »

An AstraZeneca document according to Reuters says March 25th, so this Thursday but there's nothing confirmed. Number of vaccines already produced on site also isn't confirmed but yeah whatever is there should see a decent delivery from once there's actually a decent amount ready to go

Actually hadn't spotted this

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2BE1RY?__twitter_impression=true

"We are well on track in order to get the approval by EMA (European Medicines Agency) in the course of March, beginning of April, and this is exactly according to our plan," said Ruud Dobber, executive vice president of the BioPharmaceuticals business on a briefing"

One thing I'll say is nobody knows how many go from Halix to EU or Halix to UK. So it's a wait and see situation really based on approval.

stephenjmcd

giveitholly wrote: »

Would this number of vaccines have been accounted for us hopefully getting 80% of adult population vaccinated(least one jab) or will they extra vaccines?

Probably accounted for I'd say but honestly no idea.

Keep in mind though we've already factored in a 60% cut to whatever number AZ gave the government a few weeks ago. What they deliver remains to be seen

VonLuck

Sometimes I think people want us to fail with the vaccine with the constant comparisons to the UK and Israel. There might be 10 countries in the entire world that have higher vaccination figures and that's somehow just not good enough? What makes Ireland so special that they should be ahead of every other country in the world?

astrofool

giveitholly wrote: »

Would this number of vaccines have been accounted for us hopefully getting 80% of adult population vaccinated(least one jab) or will they extra vaccines?

The AZ supply estimates have been vastly reduced, so if they do come through with even half of what they say, it will put us ahead of schedule (provided the other companies remain on track).

[Deleted User]

VonLuck wrote: »

Sometimes I think people want us to fail with the vaccine with the constant comparisons to the UK and Israel. There might be 10 countries in the entire world that have higher vaccination figures and that's somehow just not good enough? What makes Ireland so special that they should be ahead of every other country in the world?

By tying ourselves exclusively to the EU we've basically guaranteed we can't be more than marginally better or worse than ~80% of the developed countries in the world.

Then the argument becomes circular.
So the EU is holding us back?
No, we can buy outside the programme.
Cool, will we buy outside the programme?
No, that's vaccine nationalism!

JacksonHeightsOwn

VonLuck wrote: »

Sometimes I think people want us to fail with the vaccine with the constant comparisons to the UK and Israel. There might be 10 countries in the entire world that have higher vaccination figures and that's somehow just not good enough? What makes Ireland so special that they should be ahead of every other country in the world?

I don't think anything could be further from the truth.

But when you hear of people your own age (40) getting vaccinated in the UK while your parents, in their late 60's over here are still at least 10 weeks away from getting one, you can't help but feel aggrieved.

Red Silurian

Danzy wrote: »

Focus and effort, all 3 have very strong belief in vaccine science and the need to rollout vaccines.

All 3 put people who knew what they were doing in charge of all stages.

They took it serious. Their numbers reflect that.

So... It's not just a supply issue then?

Tippbhoy1

Deleted User wrote: »

By tying ourselves exclusively to the EU we've basically guaranteed we can't be more than marginally better or worse than ~80% of the developed countries in the world.

Then the argument becomes circular.
So the EU is holding us back?
No, we can buy outside the programme.
Cool, will we buy outside the programme?
No, that's vaccine nationalism!

No, buying outside the program is not vaccine nationalism.

astrofool

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

No, buying outside the program is not vaccine nationalism.

We can buy outside the program, and buy Sputnik (might be a bit of symbolic supply) or Sinovac/Pharm.

Or we could try and do what the UK is doing, and secretly or overtly hijack supply that was meant to supply other countries, while also ensure that no vaccines get exported.

Or we could have signed up with Pfizer as an experiment and share all our data.

Or go back in time and setup large MNC pharmaceutical companies like the US has done, and prohibit exports.