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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Pete_Cavan

namloc1980 wrote: »

Mid-May before the over 70s will be finished.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0323/1205563-vaccinations-ireland/

Are we still to believe that 80% of all adults will have a jab by the end of June?

Mid May to give all over 70s their second dose, obviously second dose happens several weeks after the first. First doses will still be happening throughout April, May and June. If supplies are good and using MVCs, 80% of all adults to have first jab by the end of June doesn't sound that unrealistic.

lawrencesummers

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Russia can barely vaccinate themselves yet they're going around to multiple countries offering out a vaccine which isn't in any sort of large scale production at the moment for export nor has a stockpile held somewhere.

The whole thing stinks of Russia saying oh we offered them our vaccine but they don't want it because it's Russia , even though they're in no position to supply in quantity any time soon

If its safe and effective then great but they're in no position to supply

So we are saying no to Russia supplying us with vaccines because we don’t think they can supply us with them?

Why don’t we actually say Yes, and then take what we get????? One is better than none.

irishgeo

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So we are saying no to Russia supplying us with vaccines because we don’t think they can supply us with them?

Why don’t we actually say Yes, and then take what we get????? One is better than none.

because by the time we get them we won't need them.

ek motor

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It’s called being realistic

Do you believe 80% of adults will have at least one shot by end of June ?

lawrencesummers

irishgeo wrote: »

because by the time we get them we won't need them.

According to what?

timsey tiger

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So we are saying no to Russia supplying us with vaccines because we don’t think they can supply us with them?

Why don’t we actually say Yes, and then take what we get????? One is better than none.

No it isn't if it leads to more vaccine hesitancy.

cameramonkey

timsey tiger wrote: »

No it isn't if it leads to more vaccine hesitancy.

Why would it lead to vaccine hesitancy? Sputnik is very good unless you are prone to being influenced by propaganda.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0202/1194591-coronavirus-sputnik-vaccine/

ek motor

cameramonkey wrote: »

We would it lead to vaccine hesitancy? Sputnik is very good unless you are prone to being influenced by propaganda.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0202/1194591-coronavirus-sputnik-vaccine/

When people are exposed to RTE/BBC/American news media rubbish 24/7 they will be influenced by it unfortunately.

lawrencesummers

timsey tiger wrote: »

No it isn't if it leads to more vaccine hesitancy.

Let you hesitate and let someone else have it.

It’s gas how people are so anti Russian with absolutely no justification or reasoning for it.

ek motor

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Let you hesitate and let someone else have it.

It’s gas how people are so anti Russian with absolutely no justification or reasoning for it.

Watch any western news source - 'Russia bad'

cameramonkey

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0323/1205630-coronavirus-vaccine-europe/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYf8ZVM3RFA

Tippbhoy1

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So we are saying no to Russia supplying us with vaccines because we don’t think they can supply us with them?

Why don’t we actually say Yes, and then take what we get????? One is better than none.

Russia is not a friend of the EU are their motivations for sharing are disingenuous. They are attempting to create disunity and unfortunately some people are falling for it.

They have barely rolled out any themselves. What happens if we need boosters down the line? Why take that risk to shave a week off the rollout, if even that? If we got one, will Ursula help us if there are problems later? What good is one 1, we need 2. How much will we have to pay for this in political capital? The world has to go on once the vaccinations are complete but most people can’t see past their nose unfortunately.

ek motor

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

Russia is not a friend of the EU are their motivations for sharing are disingenuous. They are attempting to create disunity and unfortunately some people are falling for it.

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How do you know all this ?

cameramonkey

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

Russia is not a friend of the EU are their motivations for sharing are disingenuous. They are attempting to create disunity and unfortunately some people are falling for it.

They have barely rolled out any themselves. What happens if we need boosters down the line? Why take that risk to shave a week off the rollout, if even that? If we got one, will Ursula help us if there are problems later? What good is one 1, we need 2. How much will we have to pay for this in political capital? The world has to go on once the vaccinations are complete but most people can’t see past their nose unfortunately.

You need to look at the vaccine and see if it woks. The Lancet say it does and has a high efficacy. The EMA will also make up their mind soon. This is the important aspect of the vaccines but unfortunately people get caught up in propaganda and cannot as you say see past their own nose.

Tippbhoy1

ek motor wrote: »

How do you know all this ?

I share a vodka with Vlad and the lads every Tuesday morning and he told me so.
I was really disappointed to hear it because I had hoped he had turned a corner from undermining democracy for the last 20 years, invading Ukraine, and poisoning pro EU dissidents. I recorded the chat but I’ve mislaid the tape.

Some of the above is a lie, and some of the above is a fact. Let me know if you need the tape before you can say with any confidence.

ek motor

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

I share a vodka with Vlad and the lads every Tuesday morning and he told me so.
I was really disappointed to hear it because I had hoped he had turned a corner from undermining democracy for the last 20 years, invading Ukraine, and poisoning pro EU dissidents. I recorded the chat but I’ve mislaid the tape.

Some of the above is a lie, and some of the above is a fact. Let me know if you need the tape before you can say with any confidence.

That's ok , I had a fair idea it was nonsense.

Tippbhoy1

cameramonkey wrote: »

You need to look at the vaccine and see if it woks. The Lancet say it does and has a high efficacy. The EMA will also make up their mind soon. This is the important aspect of the vaccines but unfortunately people get caught up in propaganda and cannot as you say see past their own nose.

At no point did I say it doesn’t work, in fact, I’d say it very likely does work and works well.

My point here is I don’t believe a small country should sell their souls to gain a few days. If ema approve it and secure a manageable supply, I’d have no issue taking it.

Red Silurian

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

Russia is not a friend of the EU are their motivations for sharing are disingenuous. They are attempting to create disunity and unfortunately some people are falling for it.

They have barely rolled out any themselves. What happens if we need boosters down the line? Why take that risk to shave a week off the rollout, if even that? If we got one, will Ursula help us if there are problems later? What good is one 1, we need 2. How much will we have to pay for this in political capital? The world has to go on once the vaccinations are complete but most people can’t see past their nose unfortunately.

Russia are trying to create one thing from this... Money - and a lot of it! The Russian economy has been completely battered in recent years and this is their opportunity to bring money in

As for the efficacy of the vaccine the Russian science is known to be very good... Let's not forget the Russians in June 1963 sent the worlds first woman into space meanwhile in Ireland we were sending women to mother and baby homes

And as for the creation of disunity the EC and the EMA are perfectly capable of doing that themselves

Tippbhoy1

ek motor wrote: »

That's ok , I had a fair idea it was nonsense.

Dude you can believe what you want if it suits your narrative, including ignoring decades of geopolitical activity that says otherwise. This is a discussion forum not a court of law.

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Red Silurian wrote: »

Russia are trying to create one thing from this... Money - and a lot of it! The Russian economy has been completely battered in recent years and this is their opportunity to bring money in

As for the efficacy of the vaccine the Russian science is known to be very good... Let's not forget the Russians in June 1963 sent the worlds first woman into space meanwhile in Ireland we were sending women to mother and baby homes

And as for the creation of disunity the EC and the EMA are perfectly capable of doing that themselves

The Russian vaccine is effective. They can’t even supply their own country however. Just 100k here and there to various countries when they believe it will sever their geopolitical interests. That people are swallowing this shows how well the misinformation campaign is working

JP Liz V1

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funnydoggy

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrPaulTheGP/status/1374130659984338944

I see the point he's trying to make, but in fairness it's a supply issue. Not much we can do.

namloc1980

funnydoggy wrote: »

I see the point he's trying to make, but in fairness it's a supply issue. Not much we can do.

Surely the HSE can give more than 1 days notice to GPs that they won't be delivering the promised vaccines? Are they that out of touch with their own logistics? Very unfair to leave it to the last minute for all concerned.

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Lads, if you want a thread on Russia; start a thread on Russia. Stick to vaccines in here please.

rameire

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrPaulTheGP/status/1374130659984338944

My Parents both got their vaccine today.
The GP had 300 people booked in to get the vaccine, but only got 275 doses.
91% of due amount received.

hmmm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Surely the HSE can give more than 1 days notice to GPs that they won't be delivering the promised vaccines? Are they that out of touch with their own logistics? Very unfair to leave it to the last minute for all concerned.

They seem to have a very quick turnaround on some of the deliveries.

While it's great that we are getting the vaccines out quickly, if supply issues outside the HSE's control is bringing the program into a bit of disrepute it might be worth delaying issuing the vaccines a bit - but then I suppose you'll have TDs whining about the HSE "sitting on" vaccines, so you can't win really.

irishlad.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=1219026690

Mostly cohort 3 again today.

Red Silurian

funnydoggy wrote: »

I see the point he's trying to make, but in fairness it's a supply issue. Not much we can do.

There's not much we can do as people but there's a lot our govt can do to help fix the supply issues.

They can make side deals to the EU deal as has been done in Malta and Germany, they can bypass the EMA like how the UK (twice in December) and Poland did and approve another Vaccine before the EMA do

But, no, they need to be seen as good Europeans who would rather lock up our own citizens

titan18

hmmm wrote: »

They seem to have a very quick turnaround on some of the deliveries.

While it's great that we are getting the vaccines out quickly, if supply issues outside the HSE's control is bringing the program into a bit of disrepute it might be worth delaying issuing the vaccines a bit - but then I suppose you'll have TDs whining about the HSE "sitting on" vaccines, so you can't win really.

When you hear of stories where some Gps got more than they booked in (like Sneem) and the others who got much less, I'd happen to think there's a mess up somewhere in the system.

Sconsey

namloc1980 wrote: »

Surely the HSE can give more than 1 days notice to GPs that they won't be delivering the promised vaccines? Are they that out of touch with their own logistics? Very unfair to leave it to the last minute for all concerned.

Que the 'why are they leaving them in fridges?' birgade. The HSE get beat up for not deploying them as soon as they arrive, or they get beat up for trying to deploy them as soon as they arrive because missing delievries cause problem.