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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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celt262

GazzaL wrote: »

To partially answer my own question, privately imported shipments of Sputnik have landed in Pakistan where it is now available for sale. Hopefully we'll get some in Ireland.

I'd love to go to St Petersburg. It would be counted as essential travel too. Definitely worth looking into.

Is it a one or 2 shot Vaccine?

Godot.

Germany wants to buy Sputnik but it's been offered to us directly and we sit on our heels. Why can't we just buy it and stick it in the fridge until EMA approval at least?

[Deleted User]

Godot. wrote: »

Germany wants to buy Sputnik but it's been offered to us directly and we sit on our heels. Why can't we just buy it and stick it in the fridge until EMA approval at least?

Because there are not massive quantities of the vaccine sitting around to be purchased. Any deal with Sputnik will be 3 months before anything tangible comes of it. Do we somehow believe that Pfizer, J&J et al have capacity constraints in the short term, but somehow there are limitless Sputnik

odyssey06

Godot. wrote: »

Germany wants to buy Sputnik but it's been offered to us directly and we sit on our heels. Why can't we just buy it and stick it in the fridge until EMA approval at least?

The quantities Russia are offering now when we need vaccines the most are tiny. They are just being dangled for political purposes.
They don't have large stockpiles, they don't even have large numbers of their own population or client states vaccinated.

Pablo Escobar

Azatadine wrote: »

AZ really are making a hames of it again.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1374218211424604161?s=09

The official statement reads like they're suspected of manipulating the data.

titan18

Deleted User wrote: »

Because there are not massive quantities of the vaccine sitting around to be purchased. Any deal with Sputnik will be 3 months before anything tangible comes of it. Do we somehow believe that Pfizer, J&J et al have capacity constraints in the short term, but somehow there are limitless Sputnik

Surely, that means we should buy it now and wait til it's ready as EMA approval likely comes in that 3 months. Rather than wait for EMA approval and buy then and waiting again.

lawrencesummers

Deleted User wrote: »

Because there are not massive quantities of the vaccine sitting around to be purchased. Any deal with Sputnik will be 3 months before anything tangible comes of it. Do we somehow believe that Pfizer, J&J et al have capacity constraints in the short term, but somehow there are limitless Sputnik

I do.
Because the USA which is a massive market for vaccinations won’t take the Russian one, they will however put massive demand on the Others.

[Deleted User]

titan18 wrote: »

Surely, that means we should buy it now and wait til it's ready as EMA approval likely comes in that 3 months. Rather than wait for EMA approval and buy then and waiting again.

Vaccine supply won’t be an issue in 3 months with deals already made

ixoy

GazzaL wrote: »

Gross incompetence from NPHET, lagging behind the rest of the world yet again.

Wait, the whole world is it now? They all want these massive stockpiles of Sputnik that are ready to instantly ship?

[Deleted User]

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I do.
Because the USA which is a massive market for vaccinations won’t take the Russian one, they will however put massive demand on the Others.

The sites suppling Pfizer j&j et al to Europe are not the same ones supplying the us.

It has been indicated the may be 50million doses of Sputnik available to supply Europe starting in June. Look at the supplies already in the pipeline and you can see how that won’t make much of an impact. What the Russians are counting on is some eu countries already having placed order from that supply in advance, so come June, once again tension between countries in the eu increases due to inconsistent roll outs. At this stage any impact of the Sputnik supply won’t make any real practical difference, just a political one.

stephenjmcd

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I do.
Because the USA which is a massive market for vaccinations won’t take the Russian one, they will however put massive demand on the Others.

Russia can barely vaccinate themselves yet they're going around to multiple countries offering out a vaccine which isn't in any sort of large scale production at the moment for export nor has a stockpile held somewhere.

The whole thing stinks of Russia saying oh we offered them our vaccine but they don't want it because it's Russia , even though they're in no position to supply in quantity any time soon

If its safe and effective then great but they're in no position to supply

JPup

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

The official statement reads like they're suspected of manipulating the data.

Yes it does. Very unusual thing to see an official monitoring body make a public statement like that. Clearly AZ didn’t consult with them before publishing the results yesterday and it seems they feel that what was published is not entirely accurate. Hopefully more details come to light ASAP.

3mom4

Hi everyone,

Not really sure what to do, perhaps someone here can offer some advice? I am in cohort 4 but not tied in with a hospital. My GP says they have nothing to do with cohort 4 as they are only vaccinating over 70s until mid May.

Was such a let down this morning phoning them as I cannot contact anyone, just wait to be contacted when I am on no list

Any ideas?

Marhay70

Deleted User wrote: »

Because there are not massive quantities of the vaccine sitting around to be purchased. Any deal with Sputnik will be 3 months before anything tangible comes of it. Do we somehow believe that Pfizer, J&J et al have capacity constraints in the short term, but somehow there are limitless Sputnik

Really? Is this the same three months we were being told three months ago?

stephenjmcd

3mom4 wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Not really sure what to do, perhaps someone here can offer some advice? I am in cohort 4 but not tied in with a hospital. My GP says they have nothing to do with cohort 4 as they are only vaccinating over 70s until mid May.

Was such a let down this morning phoning them as I cannot contact anyone, just wait to be contacted when I am on no list

Any ideas?

I'm not sure what the official process is but I'd say best bet to start with might be a call to HSELive, they may or may not be able able point you in the right direction? 1850 24 1850 or 01 240 8787

titan18

Deleted User wrote: »

Vaccine supply won’t be an issue in 3 months with deals already made

I'd rather be safe than sorry. Be better to be here in 3 months time with too much vaccines than not enough cos we weren't proactive.

celt262

3mom4 wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Not really sure what to do, perhaps someone here can offer some advice? I am in cohort 4 but not tied in with a hospital. My GP says they have nothing to do with cohort 4 as they are only vaccinating over 70s until mid May.

Was such a let down this morning phoning them as I cannot contact anyone, just wait to be contacted when I am on no list

Any ideas?

Ok that is a worrying statement, that cannot be right?

JPup

I think it means the GP has been told they are only dealing with over 70s for the next few weeks, but that doesn't mean other cohorts couldn't be vaccinated somewhere else.

Hmmzis

CureVac testing their vaccine against the SA (B.1.351) variant in mice:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.22.435960v1.full.pdf+html

TL;DR

1. It protected all mice, even though nAB titers against the SA variant were greatly reduced (10k to 500)
2. Even the formaline inactivated virus control vaccine showed protection against death (80% against SA, 70% against original)
3. Viral replication in the nose was present in the vaccine group but at minimal levels (6/10 animals in SA, 3/10 animals in ancestral)
4. At least in this mouse model the SA variant appears to be slightly less severe than the ancestral variant

[Deleted User]

We have the same re my father in Cohort 4. Hospital said it was Gp, Gp said it was the hospital that would do it. We just want him on a list. Because his diabetes is controlled he is not in cohort 4 for diabetes, but his bmi is over 40 so he should still be in it.

It is concerning that there is no official guidance on who, where or when. HSE live were useless.

Also I am not saying I want him done now or ahead of anyone else in cohort 4. I just want to know he is on someones list and wont be forgotten. I know high bmi is a touchy subject and people might not have as much sympathy for him as someone else in cohort 4 with another condition.

I also think the high bmi group will be less likely to speak up through embarrassment which is a shame.

3mom4

celt262 wrote: »

Ok that is a worrying statement, that cannot be right?

It's first and second doses for over 70s I think, basically they know nothing of cohort 4 at all and aren't dealing with them.

The lack of communication is insane

Thanks to the kind person who supplied HSE Live info! Will try that today.

[Deleted User]

3mom4 wrote: »

It's first and second doses for over 70s I think, basically they know nothing of cohort 4 at all and aren't dealing with them.

The lack of communication is insane

Thanks to the kind person who supplied HSE Live info! Will try that today.

If you get any joy from HSE Live will you please post here? I have been onto them twice and found them useless, but hopefully you have better luck. Thanks.

Pablo Escobar

celt262 wrote: »

Ok that is a worrying statement, that cannot be right?

It's not right as they've already done 5,000 Cohort 4. It seemed to stall with the AstraZeneca pause last week, so presumably they were using that.

Apogee

3mom4 wrote: »

It's first and second doses for over 70s I think, basically they know nothing of cohort 4 at all and aren't dealing with them.

The lack of communication is insane

Thanks to the kind person who supplied HSE Live info! Will try that today.

Cohort 4 are being done in parallel with other Cohorts. In general, Cohort 4 are supposedly being done in 2 phases according to HSE briefings.

Phase 1 - Hospitals are contacting patients on their books
Phase 2 - Remaining patients will be contacted via their GP

[Deleted User]

3mom4 wrote: »

It's first and second doses for over 70s I think, basically they know nothing of cohort 4 at all and aren't dealing with them.

The lack of communication is insane

Thanks to the kind person who supplied HSE Live info! Will try that today.

I am also in group 4, my GP told me the same thing - they've been given no information or instructions on vaccinating this group.

[Deleted User]

3mom4 wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Not really sure what to do, perhaps someone here can offer some advice? I am in cohort 4 but not tied in with a hospital. My GP says they have nothing to do with cohort 4 as they are only vaccinating over 70s until mid May.

Was such a let down this morning phoning them as I cannot contact anyone, just wait to be contacted when I am on no list

Any ideas?

Might be a convoluted way of doing it but can you ask your GP to refer you to a consultant for the relevant condition, they should be able to get you a telephone appointment relatively quick if you can pay privately and during that consult ask to be included in their cohort 4 list?

[Deleted User]

Apogee wrote: »

Cohort 4 are being done in parallel with other Cohorts. In general, Cohort 4 are supposedly being done in 2 phases according to HSE briefings.

Phase 1 - Hospitals are contacting patients on their books
Phase 2 - Remaining patients will be contacted via their GP

When is Phase 2 supposed to start do you know? They really should have clear information at this point. Surely the GPs should have been informed.

Apogee

Deleted User wrote: »

When is Phase 2 supposed to start do you know? They really should have clear information at this point. Surely the GPs should have been informed.

We don't know when Phase 2 will start. They have to identify and vaccinate everyone who qualifies for Cohort 4 in the hospitals first, and then move on to GPs. I'd imagine this whole process will take several weeks.

Apogee

Cohort 4 info:

TheJournal wrote:

Hospital groups have been asked to identify the relative populations based on definitions provided and they will then contact them. There will also be some input at a later stage from GPs, where patients are not in regular contact with a hospital, such as those with certain categories of diabetes.

https://www.thejournal.ie/reader-qa-3-5379665-Mar2021/

3mom4

Apogee wrote: »

Cohort 4 are being done in parallel with other Cohorts. In general, Cohort 4 are supposedly being done in 2 phases according to HSE briefings.

Phase 1 - Hospitals are contacting patients on their books
Phase 2 - Remaining patients will be contacted via their GP

Thanks for this! At least that's some sort of schedule

JohnnyOToole, have also been thinking similar as a work around!