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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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Galwayguy35

86% done by June?

Anyone who belives that is living in dreamland.

eoinbn

ShineOn7 wrote: »

It's all clearly laid out. There's proper, credible sources linked to. And there's a TLDR at the start for those who haven't time to read it all

I've bolded some highlights for those who need to speed read

It's all worth your time though

Can you make out how they get 5.25m doses of AZ+Pfizer+Moderna? I can't. Using the same sources it comes to 4,448,000 in my calculations. Add in J&J and that is enough for 2,824,000 fully vaccinated. Of course, that can't happen as 90% of the people getting AZ will not in Q2 will not get their second until July or later.

Micky 32

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

86% done by June?

Anyone who belives that is living in dreamland.

Do you know something we don’t? Did you get some inside info? If so please share

ACitizenErased

Spain has re-authorised AZ for under 65s only.
Meanwhile in France it's for over 55s only.
And the EMA say all over 18s

VG31

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

86% done by June?

Anyone who belives that is living in dreamland.

Whether or not it's possible, I would be shocked if we had 86% take-up. All these calculations make the assumption that 100% of people will take the vaccine which obviously isn't realistic. 75-80% would be very good going. Maybe when people discover they can't go to Lanzarote the numbers will increase somewhat.

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ACitizenErased wrote: »

Spain has re-authorised AZ for under 65s only.
Meanwhile in France it's for over 55s only.
And the EMA say all over 18s

Makes even less sense now the US trial results have confirmed efficacy across all ages.

eagle eye

VG31 wrote:

Whether or not it's possible, I would be shocked if we had 86% take-up. All these calculations make the assumption that 100% of people will take the vaccine which obviously isn't realistic. 75-80% would be very good going. Maybe when people discover they can't go to Lanzarote the numbers will increase somewhat.

If somebody doesn't want it then next up gets offered it.

funnydoggy

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

86% done by June?

Anyone who belives that is living in dreamland.

Go on, explain why

VG31

eagle eye wrote: »

If somebody doesn't want it then next up gets offered it.

Yes so in theory it should be possible to move even faster considering that.

charlie14

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Spain has re-authorised AZ for under 65s only.
Meanwhile in France it's for over 55s only.
And the EMA say all over 18s

Spain and France could perhaps just be playing cautious as the those few that developed blood clots were in younger age groups ?

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ACitizenErased wrote: »

Spain has re-authorised AZ for under 65s only.
Meanwhile in France it's for over 55s only.
And the EMA say all over 18s

It's science and if you question it in any way you're a right-wing nutjob.

ixoy

I'd be curious to see how well acceptance rates in Ireland will pan out relative to other countries, especially as times moves on. There's one site here:
https://ccp.jhu.edu/kap-covid/vaccine-acceptance/
that suggests the UK as having the highest, although Ireland doesn't feature. I've seen wildly different reports from high (80s) to this one suggesting as low as 52% (although that's will "definitely get it" and not that 48% won't get it). I'd really like to think the issues over AZ won't stop people getting the vaccine and that the numbers who "definitely won't" are quite small ultimately.

odyssey06

charlie14 wrote: »

Spain and France could perhaps just be playing cautious as the those few that developed blood clots were in younger age groups ?

Look at the ages again though.
In Spain it is for under 65s.

irishlad.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=1219026690

Another good day of vaccinations for cohort 3.

Should begin to see AstraZeneca recommencement tomorrow in the numbers, although we won't see full recommencement till the 24th when we see today's vaccine numbers.

charlie14

odyssey06 wrote: »

Look at the ages again though.
In Spain it is for under 65s.

Cheers. I totally misread it. No ryhme or reason to the French decision so. Other tha vive la difference perhaps.

ddarcy

irishlad. wrote: »

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=1219026690

Another good day of vaccinations for cohort 3.

Should begin to see AstraZeneca recommencement tomorrow in the numbers, although we won't see full recommencement till the 24th when we see today's vaccine numbers.

It’ll be interesting to see the variance in first and second dosage going forward. I got the AZ one today, but won’t get the second one until June. So there will become a divergence there. The doctor administering it today mentioned that this will mean more people will get the first dose earlier going forward and it looks like AZ has high efficacy with the first dose (but better with the second ).

Stark

ddarcy wrote: »

It’ll be interesting to see the variance in first and second dosage going forward. I got the AZ one today, but won’t get the second one until June. So there will become a divergence there. The doctor administering it today mentioned that this will mean more people will get the first dose earlier going forward and it looks like AZ has high efficacy with the first dose (but better with the second ).

It's 76% efficacy after 1 dose, 80% efficacy after 2 doses. Also delaying the second dose from 4 to 12 weeks doubles the neutralising antibody levels apparently. So win-win all round.

Danzy

German Health Minister said they are talking to Russia about sourcing Sputnik V, regardless of EMA approval.

Understandable, Germany may well have a rough few weeks ahead.

They need results now.

Neamhshuntasach

With the age groups that the cases are primarily occurring in lately being under 45. And with evidence showing that the vaccines are very efficient at stopping transmission. Is there much of an argument for also vaccinating from 18 upwards in parallel to the other cohorts at some sort of a ratio? Like for every x number of older or vulnerable people vacinated, y number of younger people are vaccinated. It's going after the groups that are transmitting the most. I think it would have a quicker impact in reducing case numbers, which we know have historically been an indicator towards hospital admissions.

Danzy

German Health Minister said they are talking to Russia about sourcing Sputnik V, regardless of EMA approval.

Understandable, Germany may well have a rough few weeks ahead.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/03/19/979146521/not-enough-vaccine-doses-in-europe-to-stop-a-3rd-wave-german-health-minister-say

They need results now.

JacksonHeightsOwn

Danzy wrote: »

German Health Minister said they are talking to Russia about sourcing Sputnik V, regardless of EMA approval.

Understandable, Germany may well have a rough few weeks ahead.

They need results now.

Don't we all

MM the silly fool should have been onto Moscow weeks ago

Goldengirl

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

With the age groups that the cases are primarily occurring in lately being under 45. And with evidence showing that the vaccines are very efficient at stopping transmission. Is there much of an argument for also vaccinating from 18 upwards in parallel to the other cohorts at some sort of a ratio? Like for every x number of older or vulnerable people vacinated, y number of younger people are vaccinated. It's going after the groups that are transmitting the most. I think it would have a quicker impact in reducing case numbers, which we know have historically been an indicator towards hospital admissions.

If we had enough vaccines to be doing that and not slowing down vaccinating all those at high risk of severe illness also , yes .
Otherwise it's those vulnerable that need it most .
These are the people who are going to end up in hospital .
The strategy for vaccination is basically the same all over, ( unless you live in a country with either none of the above groups or have so many vaccines it doesn't matter ) ....old and vulnerable , health care workers , those at highrisk , essential workers and so on .
Mass public vaccination is the ultimate aim but not before these groups at higher risk are protected .

Red Silurian

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Don't we all

MM the silly fool should have been onto Moscow weeks ago

Looks like the Russians are ready to talk

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2021/0322/1205403-sputnik-v-vaccine/

Looks very promising and then at the bottom of the article

Dr Glynn said Ireland would never go outside the EMA process

We're gonna be locked down for a while to come it seems

lbj666

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

With the age groups that the cases are primarily occurring in lately being under 45. And with evidence showing that the vaccines are very efficient at stopping transmission. Is there much of an argument for also vaccinating from 18 upwards in parallel to the other cohorts at some sort of a ratio? Like for every x number of older or vulnerable people vacinated, y number of younger people are vaccinated. It's going after the groups that are transmitting the most. I think it would have a quicker impact in reducing case numbers, which we know have historically been an indicator towards hospital admissions.

Vacine to prevent transmission would take multiples of vacines to prevent 1 death. One course of vacine eliminates(almost) risk of death in an at risk person. Priority is preventing death and severe illness.

Its too early to even consider the transmission side of things. By the time we get to the under 55s maybe. But i reckon when hospitals see a drop off in over 65 or over 55s, the older end of remaining adults will make up the majority in hospital in which case i think the prioritising younger adults idea will be parked.

charlie14

If Russia has these large stocks of their Sputnik vaccine for export, why are they so slow vaccinating their own population ?
According to Statista by Mid March just 5.37% had recieved their first shot, and 3.5% their second.

Azatadine

AZ really are making a hames of it again.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1374218211424604161?s=09

GazzaL

Red Silurian wrote: »

Looks like the Russians are ready to talk

https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2021/0322/1205403-sputnik-v-vaccine/

Looks very promising and then at the bottom of the article

We're gonna be locked down for a while to come it seems

Gross incompetence from NPHET, lagging behind the rest of the world yet again. There's no downside risk for NPHET because no matter what happens and no matter how long it takes, they'll still take home their six figure salaries while the rest of the country suffers.

Anyone know if you can buy a batch of Sputnik privately?

JacksonHeightsOwn

GazzaL wrote: »

Gross incompetence from NPHET, lagging behind the rest of the world yet again. There's no downside risk for NPHET because no matter what happens and no matter how long it takes, they'll still take home their six figure salaries while the rest of the country suffers.

Anyone know if you can buy a batch of Sputnik privately?

I do know they're giving it out free at home games for zenit St petersburg.

It's supposed to be a lovely city as well, but all accounts. Anyone up for a football game???

Danzy

GazzaL wrote: »

, lagging behind the rest of the world yet again.

That's is just pure, woe is me, poor us nonsense.

GazzaL

GazzaL wrote: »

Gross incompetence from NPHET, lagging behind the rest of the world yet again. There's no downside risk for NPHET because no matter what happens and no matter how long it takes, they'll still take home their six figure salaries while the rest of the country suffers.

Anyone know if you can buy a batch of Sputnik privately?

To partially answer my own question, privately imported shipments of Sputnik have landed in Pakistan where it is now available for sale. Hopefully we'll get some in Ireland.

chrisbonnie wrote: »

I do know they're giving it out free at home games for zenit St petersburg.

It's supposed to be a lovely city as well, but all accounts. Anyone up for a football game???

I'd love to go to St Petersburg. It would be counted as essential travel too. Definitely worth looking into.