COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

rovers_runner wrote: »

Phone calls from Monday, jabs Thursday.
It's the HSE way....

When you don't know how many jabs you'll have on a Monday it's the only way to do it.

ACitizenErased

NIAC is recommending AstraZeneca vaccine return to use in Ireland, with recipients to be explicitly advised of the blood clots observed in a very small number of cases worldwide. Putting the latter in black and white will take a few days so no overnight return

- via Gavan Reilly

ACitizenErased wrote: »

NIAC is recommending AstraZeneca vaccine return to use in Ireland, with recipients to be explicitly advised of the blood clots observed in a very small number of cases worldwide. Putting the latter in black and white will take a few days so no overnight return

- via Gavan Reilly

Christ it'll be another week won't it.

political analyst

Those doctors who raised the idea that the AZ vaccine could cause cerebral blood-clots need to take a look in the mirror. Are they proud of themselves for needlessly causing anxiety? If they want vaccination to be successful, then they should say nothing.

People either want restrictions to end or they don't.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

NIAC is recommending AstraZeneca vaccine return to use in Ireland, with recipients to be explicitly advised of the blood clots observed in a very small number of cases worldwide. Putting the latter in black and white will take a few days so no overnight return

- via Gavan Reilly

The HSE have been saying a couple of days to get back up anyway. Not sure why people thought it would happen instantly.

Monster249

is_that_so wrote: »

The HSE have been saying a couple of days to get back up anyway. Not sure why people thought it would happen instantly.

Because it happened instantly in other countries, we have zero excuses.

Amirani

Monster249 wrote: »

Because it happened instantly in other countries, we have zero excuses.

Which ones?

Monster249 wrote: »

Because it happened instantly in other countries, we have zero excuses.

Spain will be next Wednesday. If you mean Germany they have fridges of the stuff unused. We don't because we stick it into people's arms.

Monster249 wrote: »

Because it happened instantly in other countries, we have zero excuses.

Not so instant everywhere.

Add in Finland suspended its use today.

The paitent information booklets given after vaccination here need to be now updated to include this new possible side effect

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1372919036087050240?s=19

is_that_so wrote: »

The HSE have been saying a couple of days to get back up anyway. Not sure why people thought it would happen instantly.

It's just intransigence and inertia. They knew on Tuesday after the EMA initial review what way this was going. A competent organisation would have been ready to rock and roll. Instead they've left it to Friday evening and will drag the arse out of it until next week as well. No excuses.

Full NIAC recommendations

https://twitter.com/RCPI_news/status/1372962033239482373?s=19

timsey tiger

political analyst wrote: »

Those doctors who raised the idea that the AZ vaccine could cause cerebral blood-clots need to take a look in the mirror. Are they proud of themselves for needlessly causing anxiety? If they want vaccination to be successful, then they should say nothing.

People either want restrictions to end or they don't.

In a world where the anti vaxers are the rational ones.

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's just intransigence and inertia. They knew on Tuesday after the EMA initial review what way this was going. A competent organisation would have been ready to rock and roll. Instead they've left it to Friday evening and will drag the arse out of it until next week as well. No excuses.

You can't rock and roll when your supplier is AZ and they can't tell you which Tuesday they'll be delivering!

is_that_so wrote: »

Spain will be next Wednesday. If you mean Germany they have fridges of the stuff unused. We don't because we stick it into people's arms.

We have 30,000 doses in fridges ffs that were due this week. https://www.thejournal.ie/astrazeneca-vaccine-suspended-ireland-5381664-Mar2021/

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's just intransigence and inertia. They knew on Tuesday after the EMA initial review what way this was going. A competent organisation would have been ready to rock and roll. Instead they've left it to Friday evening and will drag the arse out of it until next week as well. No excuses.

They didn't know what the EMA recommendation would actually say, they had to wait until yesterday evening for that to come in, in written format and then go from there. Would there be caveats in it, would they say certain cohorts shouldn't get it etc.

Now they know and as a result the information that goes alongside AZ vacination now needs updating to include the EMA recommendations from yesterday.

It's fairly self explanatory and there's alot of countries further behind us in resuming

is_that_so wrote: »

You can't rock and roll when your supplier is AZ and they can't tell you which Tuesday they'll be delivering!

We have 30,000 in fridges that were due to be administered this week. What's your excuse for that? You really do try to excuse everything.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They didn't know what the EMA recommendation would actually say. Would there be caveats in it etc.

Now they know and as a result the information that goes alongside AZ vacination now needs updating to include the EMA recommendations from yesterday.

It's fairly self explanatory and there's alot of countries further behind us in resuming

You really are on message, fair play. They knew since 12 noon yesterday. Time is of the essence here ffs.

namloc1980 wrote: »

You really are on message, fair play. They knew since 12 noon yesterday. Time is of the essence here ffs.

On message??

As for timing it was 4pm when the EMA press conference was on

It's self explanatory, you just don't like the explanation. I can see why it would take longer to resume because of this.

When everyone gets a vaccine they get an information booklet. That booklet for AZ now needs to be updated in terms of potential side effects, can't give out a vaccine without it. Simple

is_that_so wrote: »

And they need to rebook people and get those supplies out. The AZ issue doesn't mean our programme stopped this week. 30K is about 3 days worth of shots.

Hang on, you said Germany were able to restart straight away because they had doses in fridges. But we also have doses in fridges but we can't? Makes sense.

namloc1980 wrote: »

We have 30,000 in fridges that were due to be administered this week. What's your excuse for that? You really do try to excuse everything.

Explaining is not excusing and you look like you're going to take issue with this regardless. They need to rebook people and get those supplies out. The AZ issue doesn't mean our programme stopped this week. 30K is about 3 days worth of shots.

namloc1980 wrote: »

Hang on, you said Germany were able to restart straight away because they had doses in fridges. But we also have doses in fridges but we can't? Makes sense.

Germany use MVCs only and stocks are available to them. Our approach is to go for high nineties in shots and to manage and release stock as required.

JP Liz V1

NIAC has recommended that Ireland resumes use of AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine

Glynns statement

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1372965252527165446?s=19

JTMan

Scientists Say They Found Cause of Rare Blood Clotting Linked to AstraZeneca Vaccine the WSJ reports here (paywall).

- Pål André Holme, a professor of hematology and chief physician of the Oslo University Hospital who headed an investigation into the Norwegian cases, said his team had identified an antibody created by the vaccine that was triggering the adverse reaction.
- German researchers around Andreas Greinacher, professor of transfusion medicine at the Greifswald University Clinic, said they had independently came to the same conclusion as Prof. Holme.
- Patients who show symptoms four days after vaccination, such as headaches, dizziness or impaired vision, could be quickly diagnosed with a blood test.
- Once diagnosed, the condition should be treated with blood thinning medication and immunoglobulin, which targets the antibody that causes the problem.
- Mainly effects those under 55.

So Norway and Germany have identified the antibody and the link between AZ and clots but it is very very rare and it is treatable if it is detected.

Sconsey

namloc1980 wrote: »

You really are on message, fair play. They knew since 12 noon yesterday. Time is of the essence here ffs.

Who are 'they'? you make it sound like one group are solely responsible for getting the AZ vaccines going again....there are three layers of beauracreacy that need to review and approve the decision :
-the first group is NEPHET I think (not sure if it is them)
- they then reccommend to the vaccine approval crowd
- they then review and reccommend to the health minister who then tells the HSE to get going again.

Then as others have pointed out new appointements have to be made, new guidance created, etc.

So while it is a fsked-up state of affairs there is a long list of people that have to hand-pass this around befer it can get going. Under normal circumstances this would take weeks not days.

We all knew at 4:00pm yesterday, you sound like you want to have a person blamed when it is the fault of the system and necessary logistics.

ACitizenErased

AZ to be administered from this weekend according to Donnelly
https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1372967941675888640?s=20

Turtwig

JTMan wrote: »

Scientists Say They Found Cause of Rare Blood Clotting Linked to AstraZeneca Vaccine the WSJ reports here (paywall).

- Pål André Holme, a professor of hematology and chief physician of the Oslo University Hospital who headed an investigation into the Norwegian cases, said his team had identified an antibody created by the vaccine that was triggering the adverse reaction.
- German researchers around Andreas Greinacher, professor of transfusion medicine at the Greifswald University Clinic, said they had independently came to the same conclusion as Prof. Holme.
- Patients who show symptoms four days after vaccination, such as headaches, dizziness or impaired vision, could be quickly diagnosed with a blood test.
- Once diagnosed, the condition should be treated with blood thinning medication and immunoglobulin, which targets the antibody that causes the problem.
- Mainly effects those under 55.

So Norway and Germany have identified the antibody and the link between AZ and clots but it is very very rare and it is treatable if it is detected.

That is excellent news if true. Wonder what the blood test is and what the turnaround time would be? Some Antibody tests in Ireland can take 6 weeks or longer before the patient gets their result.

I do wonder if the UK will start seeing more of the severe clotting events once they start vaccinating the younger populations?

funnydoggy

ACitizenErased wrote: »

AZ to be administered from this weekend according to Donnelly
https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1372967941675888640?s=20

The HSE still getting their colour scheme from Del Boy