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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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IRISHSPORTSGUY

Gael23 wrote: »

Once it’s approved by the Ema I’m happy to take it.

On AZ, there appears to be a link between HRT and the blood clots, I know this is a risk because my mum takes it and has been told to stop prior to any surgical procedure

Could buy them now and keep them in storage until the EMA approve?

JTMan

The US have millions of additional doses which they can release in weeks. Hopefully the EU are engaged with the US actively on this ...

https://twitter.com/noahweiland/status/1372643037403357194

is_that_so

JTMan wrote: »

The US have millions of additional doses which they can release in weeks. Hopefully the EU are engaged with the US actively on this ...

https://twitter.com/noahweiland/status/1372643037403357194

4m are going to their two neighbours, on loan. EU vaccine needs are a bit too large for the US to send large batches our way just yet. Once they get to their targets we may not need them even if they are available.

ek motor

Biden might release a few to Ireland.

Nqp15hhu

JTMan wrote: »

The US have millions of additional doses which they can release in weeks. Hopefully the EU are engaged with the US actively on this ...

https://twitter.com/noahweiland/status/1372643037403357194

Why do they have so many more doses?

is_that_so

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

Why do they have so many more doses?

AZ are producing there but they still haven't applied for approval. There's also a US vaccine export ban in place.

ixoy

ek motor wrote: »

Biden might release a few to Ireland.

I doubt it. He's already stated a lot will go to his neighbours, which makes an awful lot of sense for him. He'd probably also deal with any excess batches at an EU level rather than Ireland.
We'd pin more hope on the UK giving us some as we're their neighbours and they don't give a fiddlers about EU diplomacy but, by the time they're in such a position, we might not hopefully need them.

Sky King

ixoy wrote: »

I doubt it. He's already stated a lot will go to his neighbours, which makes an awful lot of sense for him. .

Perhaps the Brits will hook us up then!? Although I wouldn't hold my breath. It makes sense to give vaccines to your neighbours, which is why the Brits will probably give them to Australia and NZ. :rolleyes:

Having said that, they did vaccinate Spanish who were crossing into Gibraltar so perhaps there will be an opportunity for those working in NI...

josip

ixoy wrote: »

I doubt it. He's already stated a lot will go to his neighbours, which makes an awful lot of sense for him. He'd probably also deal with any excess batches at an EU level rather than Ireland.
We'd pin more hope on the UK giving us some as we're their neighbours and they don't give a fiddlers about EU diplomacy but, by the time they're in such a position, we might not hopefully need them.

Sky King wrote: »

Perhaps the Brits will hook us up then!? Although I wouldn't hold my breath. It makes sense to give vaccines to your neighbours, which is why the Brits will probably give them to Australia and NZ. :rolleyes:

Having said that, they did vaccinate Spanish who were crossing into Gibraltar so perhaps there will be an opportunity for those working in NI...

The UK don't expect to have any spare vaccines until the end of July by which stage we won't need them.

is_that_so

josip wrote: »

The UK don't expect to have any spare vaccines until the end of July by which stage we won't need them.

And they will be more keen on the PR of saving the world with the British vaccine!

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ek motor wrote: »

Biden might release a few to Ireland.

just Mayo, possibly Louth also

https://www.irishpost.com/news/joe-biden-gives-shout-out-to-two-irish-counties-in-latest-speech-201150

“For Secretary of Labor, I nominated a good friend and a stand-up guy Marty Walsh of Boston," Biden said.

“The son of Irish immigrants — the only downside is he’s not from Mayo, he’s from Galway.”

hmmm

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Hopefully we get wall to wall news coverage on this to pressurise the government to go for it. Perfectly good vaccine with a high efficiency rate. This could all be over a month sooner. It cost cillions for each week in lockdown vs a couple of hundred million for Sputnik?

I fully expect us to be good little Europeans and turn it down.

We already have four vaccines. There are another two likely before mid-year. We have bought 16 million doses of vaccines for this year - we don't need to be buying Sputnik on top of those 16 million and getting it delivered towards the end of the year (at best) when we won't need it.

Elessar

If the EU go ahead with the vaccine export restrictions, will that mean more Pfizer etc. for us?

is_that_so

Elessar wrote: »

If the EU go ahead with the vaccine export restrictions, will that mean more Pfizer etc. for us?

Doubtful as Pfizer have been the good guys and really stepped up. The new plant should be good enough for us. It's predominantly AZ in the crosshairs, maybe J&J if things go pear shaped there.

Elessar

is_that_so wrote: »

Doubtful as Pfizer have been the good guys and really stepped up. The new plant should be good enough for us. It's predominantly AZ in the crosshairs, maybe J&J if things go pear shaped there.

I thought AZ were being restricted anyway?

is_that_so

Elessar wrote: »

I thought AZ were being restricted anyway?

It depends where it's going. UK is still OK for now but not a virtually COVID free country like Australia.

mandrake04

JTMan wrote: »

The US have millions of additional doses which they can release in weeks. Hopefully the EU are engaged with the US actively on this ...

https://twitter.com/noahweiland/status/1372643037403357194

US intend on supplying Pacific Islands to keep the Chinese influence out of its doorstep, they already supplied Marshall Islands, Palau and Micronesia last month. They are in a Quad alliance with India, Japan and Australia to supply a Billion vaccines to the region.

eoinbn

is_that_so wrote: »

It depends where it's going. UK is still OK for now but not a virtually COVID free country like Australia.

AZ haven't shipped from the EU to the UK since January. They know very well that request would be denied.

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JTMan wrote: »

The US have millions of additional doses which they can release in weeks. Hopefully the EU are engaged with the US actively on this ...

https://twitter.com/noahweiland/status/1372643037403357194

Why the EU, who with 5.5% of the global population have so far delivered 13% of Global vaccines, and have 100s of millions coming in the next few months, rather than Africa for example, with 13% of the worlds population, yet only 1.8% of vaccines

JTMan

mandrake04 wrote: »

US intend on supplying Pacific Islands to keep the Chinese influence out of its doorstep, they already supplied Marshall Islands, Palau and Micronesia last month. They are in a Quad alliance with India, Japan and Australia to supply a Billion vaccines to the region.

The US supports for Asia are mainly around production supports. The U.S., Japan and Australia have just pledged more than $200 million to help Indian companies expand their capacities faster and add one billion doses.

Biden has said that he will help all ally countries. He has now helped Canada and Mexico with supply and Asian countries with production. Hopefully helping the EU (perhaps by lifting export restrictions) will be next on the list.

JTMan

Wacker, who are producing ingredients for the CureVac vaccine, have said that they expect EMA approval in early May.

Seems like it will be late May when CureVac vaccines reach EU countries.

is_that_so

JTMan wrote: »

Wacker, who are producing ingredients for the CureVac vaccine, have said that they expect EMA approval in early May.

Seems like it will be late May when CureVac vaccines reach EU countries.

CureVac disagree, as it says in the article. They've always talked about June.

eoinbn

is_that_so wrote: »

CureVac disagree, as it says in the article. They've always talked about June.

Late June at that. They had said late May or early June but it seems the variants have produced more data that will need analysis. Disappointing.

Charles Babbage

eoinbn wrote: »

Late June at that. They had said late May or early June but it seems the variants have produced more data that will need analysis. Disappointing.

I think the problem is that they are trying to have enough people in their tests with a particular variant so that they can make some sort of confidence interval about that variant.

They have a rolling approval with the EMA, hopefully they can get enough data soon to show that it would be approved for the traditional variant at least and then start the production process so that when the final results came through they would quickly start deployment.

Call me Al

eoinbn wrote: »

AZ haven't shipped from the EU to the UK since January. They know very well that request would be denied.

10 million doses of AZ have been manufactured and exported to the UK from the EU in the past 6 weeks.
This going by a C4 news report earlier this week, and I've seen it a few times since.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-exported-more-than-8-million-vaccines-to-uk-in-february-1.4506764?mode=amp

So comparatively little AZ vaccine has been manufactured within the 2 UK factories for domestic consumption.

https://twitter.com/GermanAmbGhana/status/1372181986836615170?s=20

seamus

Seems overly optimistic to expect anything from the US in terms of vaccines. We're close to the top of the world rankings when it comes to number of doses received and administered.

There's far more political and social value for Biden in supplying their physical neighbours and supporting poor countries in the local region.

ACitizenErased

France is now recommending AstraZeneca jab for over-55s only.

WTF?

Charles Babbage

is_that_so wrote: »

Doubtful as Pfizer have been the good guys and really stepped up. The new plant should be good enough for us. It's predominantly AZ in the crosshairs, maybe J&J if things go pear shaped there.

As the US gets ahead of its programme they may allow the Pzizer plants in the US send product to Canada and Mexico, who are currently supplied from the EU. This could allow EU buy more of the European production.

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

France is now recommending AstraZeneca jab for over-55s only.

WTF?

Couldn't make it up

seamus

Ah, France.

I wonder are they using a "balance of good" thing. That is, the risk of blood clots -v- risk of Covid. For under-55s, Covid is less dangerous. For over-55s, Covid is more dangerous.