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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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ujjjjjjjjj

11 million AZ doses in the UK and the MHRA has seen nothing of concern.

Jog on.

There will always be a tiny number of adverse events with any medicine.....

Hours of interviews and spin ahead now about how the ever tediously slow vaccine roleout is out of our hands........its not our fault......nothing we can do about it.....our hands are tied........and yet another rejigging of the vaccination plan......

And not one inch of newspaper criticism towards Saint Tony of Holohan who single handledly did a solo run on delaying the roleout of the AZ vaccine for the over 70's despite approval by The EMA, WHO, MHRA and NIAC.

is_that_so

dominatinMC wrote: »

Are you for real? Have you seen the evidence from BioNTech vaccine, and news reports from Israel?? Vaccines are very much the way out of this. Maybe our eggs are just in the wrong basket

Pfizer is about 60% of our plans, Moderna 10%, J&J 15% and AZ 21%. I can see EU countries moving towards Curevac and Novavax, if they are approved, instead of AZ. There will be no further AZ options exercised by the EU.

gifted

Wouldn't be surprised if Donnelly came out and said it's a good thing that we had a short fall of AZ vaccines...

Kermit.de.frog

My mind is turning to the UK now oddly enough since they having been doling out AZ jab like cocaine. Their plan to get one up on the continent may backfire yet. If the EMA decide to pull AZ, which is unlikely, then the public over there will be concerned.

irishgeo

Gael23 wrote: »

We need a strategy rethink mow as it’s becoming clearer vaccines are not the way out of this

Really? Honestly what's the way out of this or are you another one to spout ****e with no real plan.

Dressoutlet

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

My mind is turning to the UK now oddly enough since they having been doling out AZ jab like cocaine. Their plan to get one up on the continent may backfire yet.

Millions of doses and no adverse reactions. Unless they all start dropping dead then there is no backfire.

ujjjjjjjjj

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

My mind is turning to the UK now oddly enough since they having been doling out AZ jab like cocaine. Their plan to get one up on the continent may backfire yet.

They have doled out 11 million AZ doses and nothing of note from the MHRA re adverse reactions......

[Deleted User]

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

My mind is turning to the UK now oddly enough since they having been doling out AZ jab like cocaine. Their plan to get one up on the continent may backfire yet.

You see a rational person would look to the UK using millions of doses without issue as proof the vaccine is safe.

But you somehow have taken it this way..

Gael23

Dressoutlet wrote: »

Nobody is asking anyone to do this forever. Calm down.

This time last year they told us it was for 2 weeks. A year on we were told another 20 weeks ahead. What will they tell us then

Klonker

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

11 million AZ doses in the UK and the MHRA has seen nothing of concern.

Jog on.

There will always be a tiny number of adverse events with any medicine.....

Hours of interviews and spin ahead now about how the ever tediously slow vaccine roleout is out of our hands........its not our fault......nothing we can do about it.....our hands are tied........and yet another rejigging of the vaccination plan......

And not one inch of newspaper criticism towards Saint Tony of Holohan who single handledly did a solo run on delaying the roleout of the AZ vaccine for the over 70's despite approval by The EMA, WHO, MHRA and NIAC.

Yeah I agree. There's no way he'd have made that decision if other EU countries hadn't done the same themselves already.

[Deleted User]

The risk of a blood clot to a woman taking the contraceptive pill is 1 in 1000 and more if they use the patch.

ujjjjjjjjj

Dr Phil Bryan, MHRA Vaccines Safety Lead said,
Vaccine safety is of paramount importance and we continually monitor the safety of vaccines to ensure that the benefits outweigh any potential risks.

It has not been confirmed that the report of a blood clot, in Denmark, was caused by the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca.

The Danish, Norwegian and and Icelandic authorities’ action to temporarily suspend use of the vaccine is precautionary whilst they investigate.

Blood clots can occur naturally and are not uncommon. More than 11 million doses of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca vaccine have now been administered across the UK.

Reports of blood clots received so far are not greater than the number that would have occurred naturally in the vaccinated population.

The safety of the public will always come first. We are keeping this issue under close review but available evidence does not confirm that the vaccine is the cause.

People should still go and get their COVID-19 vaccine when asked to do so.

is_that_so

Klonker wrote: »

Yeah I agree. There's no way he'd have made that decision if other EU countries hadn't done the same themselves already.

It wasn't him, he doesn't run NIAC as well, that's Karina Butler.

Kermit.de.frog

AdamD wrote: »

You see a rational person would look to the UK using millions of doses without issue as proof the vaccine is safe.

But you somehow have taken it this way..

It's all about public confidence. Facts don't matter.

By backfire I don't mean deaths, I mean on the government from the public.

FintanMcluskey

Cork2021 wrote: »

Anti vax crowd will be like they’ve taken a million viagra pills! They’ll all love this.
Guess who’ll be **** to this news our Zero Covid Elites! Staines, McDonkey, Ryan and Killeen all organising their Microsoft teams orgy

I imagine all 4 of those flutes will be on national radio tomorrow morning to further spout their anti vaccine bolix.

Edit: you said this a few posts later

History Queen

What happens with people who have had one dose of AZ here so far? Hypothetically, in the unlikely event that AZ not used again, would they get second dose or get another vaccine entirely?

CIARAN_BOYLE

Any ideas on how long the investigation into Astro Zenaca should take?

Golfman64

What a farce. Yet again, we have outdone ourselves with incompetence. The number of blood clot events vs total administered vaccines is no greater than would be observed in the general population without vaccines being administered. Yet we are happy to pause the roll out and prolong the economic and societal misery even longer on the basis of 1 in a million (or more) chance of an adverse reaction. We may as well go and live under rocks for the rest of our lives.

Dressoutlet

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's all about public confidence. Facts don't matter.

By backfire I don't mean deaths, I mean on the government from the public.

Not a hope, the public are looking at the rest of the EU and laughing. Even the no brexiters are delighted with the UK. The public won't turn on the government when they ands all they know who got the vaccine are fine. They are laughing at the rest of us.

stephenjmcd

NIAC meeting again this morning and will update again after that.

To be honest I don't see this lasting very long. EMA say they aren't too concerned, millions of doses used in the UK and no pattern there, you'd expect to see one if there was an issue, events not outside the expected number in the population in the EU.

I'd be surprised if this was wasn't reversed in the next few days.

blackcard

is_that_so wrote: »

Pfizer is about 60% of our plans, Moderna 10%, J&J 15% and AZ 21%. I can see EU countries moving towards Curevac and Novavax, if they are approved, instead of AZ. There will be no further AZ options exercised by the EU.

You are 106% wrong

irishgeo

can you imagine the outrage if we carried on and then it became an issue. People saying it's the government fault etc they should have stopped. More HSE **** ups etc.

moan moan moan.

is_that_so

blackcard wrote: »

You are 100% wrong

Why?

[Deleted User]

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

My mind is turning to the UK now oddly enough since they having been doling out AZ jab like cocaine. Their plan to get one up on the continent may backfire yet. If the EMA decide to pull AZ, which is unlikely, then the public over there will be concerned.

One up on the continent? Yes I’m sure their main priority was to do just this!! Don’t worry about getting back to normal, opening up the economy, reducing congestion in hospitals etc etc!!

Not every one in the uk is obsessed with Brexit and waving the Union Jack believe it or not. I have family and friends who have already had the AZ vaccine and are not remotely concerned, just looking forward to the future.

Turtwig

AdamD wrote: »

You see a rational person would look to the UK using millions of doses without issue as proof the vaccine is safe.

But you somehow have taken it this way..

That's doesn't rule out a tainted batch and possible production issue affecting the safety of future batches. This needs to be investigated. Might just be coincidence. Probably is. Thing is you need to know for sure.

There is also the possibility that the UK despite administering millions of doses was not adequately monitoring the vaccinations. Highly unlikely. Still, do you actually know what their monitoring procedure is and how rigorously they apply that procedure in practice?

plodder

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NIAC meeting again this morning and will update again after that.

To be honest I don't see this lasting very long. EMA say they aren't concerned, millions of doses used in the UK and no pattern there, you'd expect to see one if there was an issue, events not outside the expected number in the population.

I'd be surprised if this was wasn't reversed in the next few days.

If they were just pausing to get information relating to a possible batch issue, then confirmation that it isn't a batch issue would be fine I think. Hopefully, it's something that can be resolved quickly, like that.

ujjjjjjjjj

Deleted User wrote: »

One up on the continent? Yes I’m sure their main priority was to do just this!! Don’t worry about getting back to normal, opening up the economy, reducing congestion in hospitals etc etc!!

Not every one in the uk is obsessed with Brexit and waving the Union Jack believe it or not. I have family and friends who have already had the AZ vaccine and are not remotely concerned, just looking forward to the future.

Yup know loads of family and friends in the UK who have had the AZ jab and all they are talking about is whether it's Greece or Spain this year for the beach holiday......

Klonker

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NIAC meeting again this morning and will update again after that.

To be honest I don't see this lasting very long. EMA say they aren't concerned, millions of doses used in the UK and no pattern there, you'd expect to see one if there was an issue, events not outside the expected number in the population.

I'd be surprised if this was wasn't reversed in the next few days.

Yeah I think and hope you're right. It'll be very short term (couple of days) and we should keep trying to take in as many AZ vaccines as we can in the time being.

It may actually help us if other EU countries decide not it use it, we may get more supply. Or the US might let go of their production stockpile which can come to Europe. They more than likely won't use it or need it at this stage.

Danzy

Cork2021 wrote: »

The UK has administered millions of AZ and not a dicky bird from them in terms of blood clots or reactions!
The EU and other ie Norway have damaged the programme by being over reactionary. Norway did something similar with Pfizer vaccine!

Vaccine skepticism is more the norm in continental Europe.

Long before Covid.

VG31

plodder wrote: »

If they were just pausing to get information relating to a possible batch issue, then confirmation that it isn't a batch issue would be fine I think. Hopefully, it's something that can be resolved quickly, like that.

A batch issue would nearly be as bad as an issue with the vaccine itself. It would destroy public confidence and I think we'd see a lot of people refusing AZ.

Even in the most likely scenario where there is no issue, there's going to be a lot of people unwilling to take the AZ vaccine.