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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Akabusi

Monster249 wrote: »

Even with everyone having the first dose, that provides enough protection to achieve a good level of herd immunity.

But that is not fully vaccinated.

Danzy

Russman wrote: »

Britain won’t be anywhere near full vaccination in 8 weeks, it’ll be closer to 8 months.

On the ground it will mean that the pandemic is over in Britain, probably by June.

Life will be returned to normal then. They'll be post Covid, whatever one thinks of the Tans, they are world leaders in immunology, epidemiology and vaccines.

It's an impressive achievement.

Much of the EU looks like being at risk of growing infection late in to the year, even with restrictions.

Danzy

PCeeeee wrote: »

I understand Button. God knows I sympathise with your point of view but that's a trite response.

Response to the restrictions has (imo) been good until now but that is changing.

When all the over 70s are done. I think it will really start to fall apart, it'll be hard to justify when the most at risk are protected.

[Deleted User]

hynesie08 wrote: »

They're saying every one will have the first dose by the end of July, add on 12 weeks and you're talking Halloween.

That's been revised to early June, they've 3m AZ a week, along with around 1m Pfizer a week from early April (along with small numbers of moderna). They've around 80m doses to do, so 20 weeks at that rate and they're done (late July).

Danzy

Akabusi wrote: »

But that is not fully vaccinated.

Jesuitical response.

JacksonHeightsOwn

Monster249 wrote: »

Even with everyone having the first dose, that provides enough protection to achieve a good level of herd immunity.

but adults under 50 wont receive their first dose here until late summer, if we're lucky.

Going by the numbers AZ are saying they can only provide, its safe to say we'll be stuck indoors for much of the summer.

Monster249

chrisbonnie wrote: »

but adults under 50 wont receive their first dose here until late summer, if we're lucky.

Going by the numbers AZ are saying they can only provide, its safe to say we'll be stuck indoors for much of the summer.

But under 50s aren't considered an at-risk group (vast majority of deaths are above this), there's no justification to be anything above level 1 restrictions once all over 50s & vulnerable are done which will be by May/June at the latest.

PCeeeee

Danzy wrote: »

On the ground it will mean that the pandemic is over in Britain, probably by June.

Life will be returned to normal then. They'll be post Covid, whatever one thinks of the Tans, they are world leaders in immunology, epidemiology and vaccines.

It's an impressive achievement.

Much of the EU looks like being at risk of growing infection late in to the year, even with restrictions.

When respect Danzy the UK vaccination effort is stellar. I fail to see how they they are an example in immunology or epidemiology. At least as it relates to their response to Coronavirus.

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PCeeeee wrote: »

I understand Button. God knows I sympathise with your point of view but that's a trite response.

Response to the restrictions has (imo) been good until now but that is changing.

Trite but accurate.
People were easing up coming up to Christmas. In the last 6 weeks I've noticed the traffic levels outside increasing massively. My "home office" is upstairs and I'm on one of the busiest roads into my town and in the last couple of weeks come 4 o'clock on a Friday it's as busy (if not busier) than a couple of years ago when I'd be heading home on that road. Overheard conversations in the park (let's call it a "disadvantaged" socio-economical area) and there's plenty of houseparties happening the last month or so.

Danzy

chrisbonnie wrote: »

but adults under 50 wont receive their first dose here until late summer, if we're lucky.

Going by the numbers AZ are saying they can only provide, its safe to say we'll be stuck indoors for much of the summer.

And we are near the top of the pack in EU rollout.

The economic devastation of another Summer locked down across Europe doesn't bare thinking about.

MerlinSouthDub

EU countries must surely move to spreading out the dose interval on the Pfizer vaccine (as UK have done, with good results so far). This would greatly increase the number of people who could get vaccinated before summer time.

Danzy

PCeeeee wrote: »

When respect Danzy the UK vaccination effort is stellar. I fail to see how they they are an example in immunology or epidemiology. At least as it relates to their response to Coronavirus.

In terms of research, researchers, academia, laboratory quality, etc, they are.

Over 50% of the global genomic analysis of Corona virus cases is in Britain.

In research their academics are the most cited country of origin

Epidemiology as a Science in the last few centuries is dominated by the English.

Their response was driven by politics and economics.

Danzy

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

EU countries must surely move to spreading out the dose interval on the Pfizer vaccine (as UK have done, with good results so far). This would greatly increase the number of people who could get vaccinated before summer time.

Given that the scientific data justifies it, you'd think so but...

PCeeeee

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Trite but accurate.
People were easing up coming up to Christmas. In the last 6 weeks I've noticed the traffic levels outside increasing massively. My "home office" is upstairs and I'm on one of the busiest roads into my town and in the last couple of weeks come 4 o'clock on a Friday it's as busy (if not busier) than a couple of years ago when I'd be heading home on that road. Overheard conversations in the park (let's call it a "disadvantaged" socio-economical area) and there's plenty of houseparties happening the last month or so.

I don't disagree with you at all but the most of the country has been broadly compliant up till now. When that stops. The real problems start. IMO

PCeeeee

Danzy wrote: »

In terms of research, researchers, academia, laboratory quality, etc, they are.

Over 50% of the global genomic analysis of Corona virus cases is in Britain.

In research their academics are the most cited country of origin

Epidemiology as a Science in the last few centuries is dominated by the English.

Their response was driven by politics and economics.

Then their leadership came to naught whatever as you say one thinks of them.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Danzy wrote: »

On the ground it will mean that the pandemic is over in Britain, probably by June.

Life will be returned to normal then. They'll be post Covid, whatever one thinks of the Tans, they are world leaders in immunology, epidemiology and vaccines.

It's an impressive achievement.

Much of the EU looks like being at risk of growing infection late in to the year, even with restrictions.

Does it really matter about infections if the most vulnerable are vaccinated? Once we have the over 70's vaccinated the number of hospitalisations and deaths is very small.

Our government is so cautious that we'll see it through to the bitter end, but plenty on the continent will be bold enough to open very soon I'd say.

brickster69

Novavax going for Uk approval in two weeks with first doses expected in April

https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/03/12/21/novavax-vaccine-96-pct-effective-against-original-coronavirus-86-pct-vs-british-variant-in-uk-trial

Danzy

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Does it really matter about infections if the most vulnerable are vaccinated? Once we have the over 70's vaccinated the number of hospitalisations and deaths is very small.

Our government is so cautious that we'll see it through to the bitter end, but plenty on the continent will be bold enough to open very soon I'd say.

You'd have to think that the risk would be dwarfed by the damage done to society.

Plenty on the continent were quite relaxed about the whole thing, so wouldn't be hard to imagine.

Gael23

Have heard there is an issue with the medically vulnerable who attend private hospitals being identified for vaccination, does anyone here know about this?

noplacehere

Gael23 wrote: »

Have heard there is an issue with the medically vulnerable who attend provate hospitals being identified for vaccination, does anyone here know about this?

I’m attending privately but my consultant is cross hospital and I do seem to have a hospital number in the public hospital. The secretary is adding me to a list apparently but no timeline

CIARAN_BOYLE

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Does it really matter about infections if the most vulnerable are vaccinated? Once we have the over 70's vaccinated the number of hospitalisations and deaths is very small.

Our government is so cautious that we'll see it through to the bitter end, but plenty on the continent will be bold enough to open very soon I'd say.

While the vast majority of deaths are in older people I'd say (recall stats that I'm not bothered to go and find) that 45% of hospitalisations and 60% of Icu admissions are in under 65s.

Vaccinating the over 70s and the clinically vulnerable might mean we can handle twice as many cases daily without straining the hospitals but it won't mean we are out of the woods.

I do agree that we need a plan for opening up but it's not a case of over 70s vaccinated let's go.

brickster69

France need a total lockdown ASAP, this UK variant is going crazy over there.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/covid-paris-cases-france-lockdown-b1816830.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1615654331

eoinbn

brickster69 wrote: »

Novavax going for Uk approval in two weeks with first doses expected in April

https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/03/12/21/novavax-vaccine-96-pct-effective-against-original-coronavirus-86-pct-vs-british-variant-in-uk-trial

EU are suppose to be finalising the contract next week. Then again that has been reported for weeks now! Hopefully they can deliver in Q2. If the company are to be believed then they will have huge production capacity out the gate. The EC need a win here so hopefully it isn't another Q3 solution to a Q2 problem.

Russman

Monster249 wrote: »

Even with everyone having the first dose, that provides enough protection to achieve a good level of herd immunity.

The poster I referred to said “fully” vaccinated.

Russman

Monster249 wrote: »

That's just flat out untrue.

No, it’s not. Unless he didn’t mean fully vaccinated.

Qrt

ceegee wrote: »

Those Tescos have pharmacies inside them but they are technically separate entities, whereas for most (if not all) larger pharmacies the entire shop is part of the pharmacy. Its why tesco can still sell booze and cigarettes where as boots can't.

That makes sense, still a bit f**cked considering it’s all a technicality. Oh well, I’m sure I’ll get it eventually.

JRant

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

While the vast majority of deaths are in older people I'd say (recall stats that I'm not bothered to go and find) that 45% of hospitalisations and 60% of Icu admissions are in under 65s.

Vaccinating the over 70s and the clinically vulnerable might mean we can handle twice as many cases daily without straining the hospitals but it won't mean we are out of the woods.

I do agree that we need a plan for opening up but it's not a case of over 70s vaccinated let's go.

Isn't it 95% of al deaths are in the 65+ cohort. Add in the fact that hospital acquired COVID was between 20-40% of all cases in hospitals then with HCWs vaccinated that should also drop the numbers in hospital considerably.

Realistically, we should be looking at level 2 by mid May with the 70+ done and dusted by then.

Mysterypunter

It gets a bit silly when you have headlines like on the rte website this morning, transplant patient heartbroken over vaccine error. Should have read, girl travels to Dublin and is told the vaccine is not approved for under 18s, rescheduled from Saturday to Tuesday, will be sorted out then. It's 2 days wait, not 2 years.

Sweet.Science

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/sunday-interview-millions-of-doses-on-the-way-says-vaccine-boss-40193724.html

Seems confident anyway

quartz1

Sweet.Science wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/sunday-interview-millions-of-doses-on-the-way-says-vaccine-boss-40193724.html

Seems confident anyway

I wish it were true but it smells like pure propaganda. The EU Politicians are going to experience a lot of anger as the US and UK steam through their.programmes and we are left here like listening to excuses and spin.