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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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JacksonHeightsOwn

Monster249 wrote: »

Even with everyone having the first dose, that provides enough protection to achieve a good level of herd immunity.

but adults under 50 wont receive their first dose here until late summer, if we're lucky.

Going by the numbers AZ are saying they can only provide, its safe to say we'll be stuck indoors for much of the summer.

Danzy

Akabusi wrote: »

But that is not fully vaccinated.

Jesuitical response.

[Deleted User]

hynesie08 wrote: »

They're saying every one will have the first dose by the end of July, add on 12 weeks and you're talking Halloween.

That's been revised to early June, they've 3m AZ a week, along with around 1m Pfizer a week from early April (along with small numbers of moderna). They've around 80m doses to do, so 20 weeks at that rate and they're done (late July).

Danzy

PCeeeee wrote: »

I understand Button. God knows I sympathise with your point of view but that's a trite response.

Response to the restrictions has (imo) been good until now but that is changing.

When all the over 70s are done. I think it will really start to fall apart, it'll be hard to justify when the most at risk are protected.

Danzy

Russman wrote: »

Britain won’t be anywhere near full vaccination in 8 weeks, it’ll be closer to 8 months.

On the ground it will mean that the pandemic is over in Britain, probably by June.

Life will be returned to normal then. They'll be post Covid, whatever one thinks of the Tans, they are world leaders in immunology, epidemiology and vaccines.

It's an impressive achievement.

Much of the EU looks like being at risk of growing infection late in to the year, even with restrictions.

Akabusi

Monster249 wrote: »

Even with everyone having the first dose, that provides enough protection to achieve a good level of herd immunity.

But that is not fully vaccinated.

PCeeeee

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Late last year at some point.

I understand Button. God knows I sympathise with your point of view but that's a trite response.

Response to the restrictions has (imo) been good until now but that is changing.

Monster249

hynesie08 wrote: »

They're saying every one will have the first dose by the end of July, add on 12 weeks and you're talking Halloween.

Even with everyone having the first dose, that provides enough protection to achieve a good level of herd immunity.

iamwhoiam

PCeeeee wrote: »

This is an interesting point. I wonder at what point do lockdowns begin to become ineffective through overuse.

Well Leo told us all last March (2020 ) that lockdowns have a short window . I think they’ve all forgotten that bit

hynesie08

Monster249 wrote: »

That's just flat out untrue.

They're saying every one will have the first dose by the end of July, add on 12 weeks and you're talking Halloween.

[Deleted User]

PCeeeee wrote: »

This is an interesting point. I wonder at what point do lockdowns begin to become ineffective through overuse.

Late last year at some point.

PCeeeee

Bit cynical wrote: »

Private compliance (people obeying the household rule for example) may well end but public compliance such as rules on pubs and so forth can be enforced and so will continue.

This is an interesting point. I wonder at what point do lockdowns begin to become ineffective through overuse.

Monster249

Russman wrote: »

Britain won’t be anywhere near full vaccination in 8 weeks, it’ll be closer to 8 months.

That's just flat out untrue.

Bit cynical

Danzy wrote: »

Britain and American will be at near full vaccination of adults within 8 weeks.

With full reopening a few weeks later.

Hard to see compliance with lockdowns and restrictions surviving that.

Private compliance (people obeying the household rule for example) may well end but public compliance such as rules on pubs and so forth can be enforced and so will continue.

Russman

Danzy wrote: »

Britain and American will be at near full vaccination of adults within 8 weeks.

With full reopening a few weeks later.

Hard to see compliance with lockdowns and restrictions surviving that.

Especially when it may be well in to October,or longer, for much of Europe to have 70% done.

I hope people will still but that's not going to happen.

Will it mean another surge in the Summer.

Britain won’t be anywhere near full vaccination in 8 weeks, it’ll be closer to 8 months.

XsApollo

When the UK and US get done we won’t be far behind. The negativity will turn from not having enough vaccines to having too many.

Danzy

Britain and American will be at near full vaccination of adults within 8 weeks.

With full reopening a few weeks later.

Hard to see compliance with lockdowns and restrictions surviving that.

Especially when it may be well in to October,or longer, for much of Europe to have 70% done.

I hope people will still but that's not going to happen.

Will it mean another surge in the Summer.

marno21

JTMan wrote: »

BioNTech Forms New Manufacturing Alliance, WSJ reports here (paywall).

- New alliance of 13 companies, including Novartis AG , Merck KGaA and Sanofi SA, in an effort to meet—and perhaps exceed—an ambitious target of making two billion doses of vaccine this year.
- Pfizer struggling to meet production targets so new alliance designed to jolt production of the vaccine and speed up vaccinations in Europe and elsewhere.
- BioNTech is also increasing its own production. Its German factory, expected to come on line in April, should produce 750 million doses a year.

This is super, super news. This vaccine is a miracle of medicine and every dose we can get our hands on we need to get.

is_that_so

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Reuters now reporting that the AZ delivery schedule is relying on this factory being approved

AZ seem to think it will happen on 25 March.

JTMan

BioNTech Forms New Manufacturing Alliance, WSJ reports here (paywall).

- New alliance of 13 companies, including Novartis AG , Merck KGaA and Sanofi SA, in an effort to meet—and perhaps exceed—an ambitious target of making two billion doses of vaccine this year.
- Pfizer struggling to meet production targets so new alliance designed to jolt production of the vaccine and speed up vaccinations in Europe and elsewhere.
- BioNTech is also increasing its own production. Its German factory, expected to come on line in April, should produce 750 million doses a year.

astrofool

iamwhoiam wrote: »

If you read the post you would have seen the poster is staying in Ireland .

I didn't say they were traveling abroad, and specifically didn't know why they were traveling, it could be very important. The vaccine schedule right now is very unknown, so it's a very stupid idea to go booking time away unnecessarily until it becomes known (or be prepared to wait in queue until back).

is_that_so

astrofool wrote: »

Probably June (possibly May) for first dose, then 4-12 weeks later for dose 2 if it's needed.

Not May with the AZ shenanigans! I'd say June at the very least. Most of gen pop are now looking at July onwards.

iamwhoiam

astrofool wrote: »

Honestly, people shouldn't be booking weeks away until they have been vaccinated, or have the timeline confirmed. You probably will be fine for July if you're in group 4, but no one will have sympathy with you if you miss your dates due to being away. I don't know if you're travelling for important reasons, or a holiday, but unless it was life and death, I wouldn't be booking anything.

If you read the post you would have seen the poster is staying in Ireland .

salmocab

astrofool wrote: »

Honestly, people shouldn't be booking weeks away until they have been vaccinated, or have the timeline confirmed. You probably will be fine for July if you're in group 4, but no one will have sympathy with you if you miss your dates due to being away. I don't know if you're travelling for important reasons, or a holiday, but unless it was life and death, I wouldn't be booking anything.

Well in a shocking turn of events I neither asked for sympathy or give a shiny what you or others think.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

We keep being told we could buy outside of the EU programme. If we'd offered triple price for our share directly I'm pretty sure the issue we'd be having now would be getting people out quick enough.

Yeah, but there is no magic vaccine tree out there and any supplies that can currently be got have been. The only country that might have supplies, the US, is not going to give them up for months. Even the UK's supposed charity will not happen till the summer at the earliest. Increased supplies are projected from April, a few weeks away.

astrofool

Leftwaffe wrote: »

When could a teacher expect to receive a vaccine here? Extremely low on the list. Will it be before September?

Probably June (possibly May) for first dose, then 4-12 weeks later for dose 2 if it's needed.

astrofool

salmocab wrote: »

I have 2 weeks away booked in July and should be group 4 which could well mean second jab due whilst I’m away (still in Ireland) so whilst I’m very keen to get vaccinated I’d like to know that it’d not be an issue to get a second jab just before or after the trip.

Honestly, people shouldn't be booking weeks away until they have been vaccinated, or have the timeline confirmed. You probably will be fine for July if you're in group 4, but no one will have sympathy with you if you miss your dates due to being away. I don't know if you're travelling for important reasons, or a holiday, but unless it was life and death, I wouldn't be booking anything.

[Deleted User]

is_that_so wrote: »

The ineptitude is not of our making, we're pretty much putting anything we get into arms but of course it's the government or HSE to blame regardless.

We keep being told we could buy outside of the EU programme. If we'd offered triple price for our share directly I'm pretty sure the issue we'd be having now would be getting people out quick enough.

Leftwaffe

When could a teacher expect to receive a vaccine here? Extremely low on the list. Will it be before September?

Jim_Hodge

iamwhoiam wrote: »

British Columbia have almost finished phase 1 and are moving to phase 2 now

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/vaccine/plan#update

http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/covid-19-vaccine/bcs-plan-for-vaccine-distributi

Its is also not mandatory

Provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry seemed to agree with that assessment Wednesday.

“We have no mandatory immunization programs in this country and in this province, and we do not expect COVID immunization will be mandatory either,” she said during a news conference.

That’s true even at high-risk workplaces like hospitals and long-term care facilities, Henry said.

Over 6% of the population have received at least a First dose. Close to three million doses administered. And you're right, it is not mandatory.
Progress does seem slow, as they have been at it since 14th December. My own cousins in Ontario have received two doses - the lucky sods!