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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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funnydoggy

Stheno wrote: »

Also from the article:

This is a really good thing isn't it? Once they provided needed paperwork, we should get loads more??

tommyamnesia

Wolf359f wrote: »

It is and always had been 3 weeks for Pfizer, 4 weeks for moderna and 12 for astrazenca (AZ was going to be 4 weeks ago for 70+ age group but that's changed)
As the 70+ are getting mRNA it doesn't make a difference.

This 12 week gap being new news is incorrect. It was always going to be 12 week gap. All the literature around the AZ jab states 12 weeks for you second dose etc...

I had my 1st. jab yesterday ( Pfizer). 2nd. due 4 weeks later.

Chris_5339762

I appreciate it is a supply issue, but my parents are getting very frustrated now. They are 73 and 74, so down the list a little (although one has an undiagnosed possibly neurological condition which she won't get checked until vaccinated). Absolutely no word from the GP apart from "a couple of weeks time" three weeks ago.

With word of 70+ rollout slowing down due to the need to keep Pfizers for Dose 2 for the 85s they seem to be getting pushed back further and further and further. Its very frustrating for them.

Its frustrating for me too as I'm living with them and despite being vaccinated back in January I'm still limited as to what shops etc I go in until they have been vaccinated completely too. Just seems to be dragging a bit now and there really is absolutely no good supply news from ANY manufacturer at the moment. Meanwhile because we're next to the UK we compare ourselves to them constantly.

ceegee

Qrt wrote: »

I’d understand this...but...

Seven of the largest Tesco’s in the country also have pharmacies, examples being Naas, Newbridge, The Square too. Going by the Boots rationale, all the Tesco staff should be getting them soon.

I’m just speaking as a shop worker, working in an environment where social distancing went out the window a long, long time ago.

Those Tescos have pharmacies inside them but they are technically separate entities, whereas for most (if not all) larger pharmacies the entire shop is part of the pharmacy. Its why tesco can still sell booze and cigarettes where as boots can't.

Wolf359f

tommyamnesia wrote: »

I had my 1st. jab yesterday ( Pfizer). 2nd. due 4 weeks later.

Well my comment was more down to the 12 week interval for AZ, as if that's a new thing being trotted by the media. They were never planning on dosing it at 4 weeks (excluding 70+, which was changed to 12 weeks back in early Feb)

is_that_so

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

I appreciate it is a supply issue, but my parents are getting very frustrated now. They are 73 and 74, so down the list a little (although one has an undiagnosed possibly neurological condition which she won't get checked until vaccinated). Absolutely no word from the GP apart from "a couple of weeks time" three weeks ago.

With word of 70+ rollout slowing down due to the need to keep Pfizers for Dose 2 for the 85s they seem to be getting pushed back further and further and further. Its very frustrating for them.

Its frustrating for me too as I'm living with them and despite being vaccinated back in January I'm still limited as to what shops etc I go in until they have been vaccinated completely too. Just seems to be dragging a bit now and there really is absolutely no good supply news from ANY manufacturer at the moment. Meanwhile because we're next to the UK we compare ourselves to them constantly.

From the way things have gone so far with this phase the HSE will not tell GPs until they can guarantee a delivery.

Jim_Hodge

iamwhoiam wrote: »

British Columbia have almost finished phase 1 and are moving to phase 2 now

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/vaccine/plan#update

http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/covid-19-vaccine/bcs-plan-for-vaccine-distributi

Its is also not mandatory

Provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry seemed to agree with that assessment Wednesday.

“We have no mandatory immunization programs in this country and in this province, and we do not expect COVID immunization will be mandatory either,” she said during a news conference.

That’s true even at high-risk workplaces like hospitals and long-term care facilities, Henry said.

Over 6% of the population have received at least a First dose. Close to three million doses administered. And you're right, it is not mandatory.
Progress does seem slow, as they have been at it since 14th December. My own cousins in Ontario have received two doses - the lucky sods!

Leftwaffe

When could a teacher expect to receive a vaccine here? Extremely low on the list. Will it be before September?

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is_that_so wrote: »

The ineptitude is not of our making, we're pretty much putting anything we get into arms but of course it's the government or HSE to blame regardless.

We keep being told we could buy outside of the EU programme. If we'd offered triple price for our share directly I'm pretty sure the issue we'd be having now would be getting people out quick enough.

astrofool

salmocab wrote: »

I have 2 weeks away booked in July and should be group 4 which could well mean second jab due whilst I’m away (still in Ireland) so whilst I’m very keen to get vaccinated I’d like to know that it’d not be an issue to get a second jab just before or after the trip.

Honestly, people shouldn't be booking weeks away until they have been vaccinated, or have the timeline confirmed. You probably will be fine for July if you're in group 4, but no one will have sympathy with you if you miss your dates due to being away. I don't know if you're travelling for important reasons, or a holiday, but unless it was life and death, I wouldn't be booking anything.

astrofool

Leftwaffe wrote: »

When could a teacher expect to receive a vaccine here? Extremely low on the list. Will it be before September?

Probably June (possibly May) for first dose, then 4-12 weeks later for dose 2 if it's needed.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

We keep being told we could buy outside of the EU programme. If we'd offered triple price for our share directly I'm pretty sure the issue we'd be having now would be getting people out quick enough.

Yeah, but there is no magic vaccine tree out there and any supplies that can currently be got have been. The only country that might have supplies, the US, is not going to give them up for months. Even the UK's supposed charity will not happen till the summer at the earliest. Increased supplies are projected from April, a few weeks away.

salmocab

astrofool wrote: »

Honestly, people shouldn't be booking weeks away until they have been vaccinated, or have the timeline confirmed. You probably will be fine for July if you're in group 4, but no one will have sympathy with you if you miss your dates due to being away. I don't know if you're travelling for important reasons, or a holiday, but unless it was life and death, I wouldn't be booking anything.

Well in a shocking turn of events I neither asked for sympathy or give a shiny what you or others think.

iamwhoiam

astrofool wrote: »

Honestly, people shouldn't be booking weeks away until they have been vaccinated, or have the timeline confirmed. You probably will be fine for July if you're in group 4, but no one will have sympathy with you if you miss your dates due to being away. I don't know if you're travelling for important reasons, or a holiday, but unless it was life and death, I wouldn't be booking anything.

If you read the post you would have seen the poster is staying in Ireland .

is_that_so

astrofool wrote: »

Probably June (possibly May) for first dose, then 4-12 weeks later for dose 2 if it's needed.

Not May with the AZ shenanigans! I'd say June at the very least. Most of gen pop are now looking at July onwards.

astrofool

iamwhoiam wrote: »

If you read the post you would have seen the poster is staying in Ireland .

I didn't say they were traveling abroad, and specifically didn't know why they were traveling, it could be very important. The vaccine schedule right now is very unknown, so it's a very stupid idea to go booking time away unnecessarily until it becomes known (or be prepared to wait in queue until back).

JTMan

BioNTech Forms New Manufacturing Alliance, WSJ reports here (paywall).

- New alliance of 13 companies, including Novartis AG , Merck KGaA and Sanofi SA, in an effort to meet—and perhaps exceed—an ambitious target of making two billion doses of vaccine this year.
- Pfizer struggling to meet production targets so new alliance designed to jolt production of the vaccine and speed up vaccinations in Europe and elsewhere.
- BioNTech is also increasing its own production. Its German factory, expected to come on line in April, should produce 750 million doses a year.

is_that_so

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Reuters now reporting that the AZ delivery schedule is relying on this factory being approved

AZ seem to think it will happen on 25 March.

marno21

JTMan wrote: »

BioNTech Forms New Manufacturing Alliance, WSJ reports here (paywall).

- New alliance of 13 companies, including Novartis AG , Merck KGaA and Sanofi SA, in an effort to meet—and perhaps exceed—an ambitious target of making two billion doses of vaccine this year.
- Pfizer struggling to meet production targets so new alliance designed to jolt production of the vaccine and speed up vaccinations in Europe and elsewhere.
- BioNTech is also increasing its own production. Its German factory, expected to come on line in April, should produce 750 million doses a year.

This is super, super news. This vaccine is a miracle of medicine and every dose we can get our hands on we need to get.

Danzy

Britain and American will be at near full vaccination of adults within 8 weeks.

With full reopening a few weeks later.

Hard to see compliance with lockdowns and restrictions surviving that.

Especially when it may be well in to October,or longer, for much of Europe to have 70% done.

I hope people will still but that's not going to happen.

Will it mean another surge in the Summer.

XsApollo

When the UK and US get done we won’t be far behind. The negativity will turn from not having enough vaccines to having too many.

Russman

Danzy wrote: »

Britain and American will be at near full vaccination of adults within 8 weeks.

With full reopening a few weeks later.

Hard to see compliance with lockdowns and restrictions surviving that.

Especially when it may be well in to October,or longer, for much of Europe to have 70% done.

I hope people will still but that's not going to happen.

Will it mean another surge in the Summer.

Britain won’t be anywhere near full vaccination in 8 weeks, it’ll be closer to 8 months.

Bit cynical

Danzy wrote: »

Britain and American will be at near full vaccination of adults within 8 weeks.

With full reopening a few weeks later.

Hard to see compliance with lockdowns and restrictions surviving that.

Private compliance (people obeying the household rule for example) may well end but public compliance such as rules on pubs and so forth can be enforced and so will continue.

Monster249

Russman wrote: »

Britain won’t be anywhere near full vaccination in 8 weeks, it’ll be closer to 8 months.

That's just flat out untrue.

PCeeeee

Bit cynical wrote: »

Private compliance (people obeying the household rule for example) may well end but public compliance such as rules on pubs and so forth can be enforced and so will continue.

This is an interesting point. I wonder at what point do lockdowns begin to become ineffective through overuse.

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PCeeeee wrote: »

This is an interesting point. I wonder at what point do lockdowns begin to become ineffective through overuse.

Late last year at some point.

hynesie08

Monster249 wrote: »

That's just flat out untrue.

They're saying every one will have the first dose by the end of July, add on 12 weeks and you're talking Halloween.

iamwhoiam

PCeeeee wrote: »

This is an interesting point. I wonder at what point do lockdowns begin to become ineffective through overuse.

Well Leo told us all last March (2020 ) that lockdowns have a short window . I think they’ve all forgotten that bit

Monster249

hynesie08 wrote: »

They're saying every one will have the first dose by the end of July, add on 12 weeks and you're talking Halloween.

Even with everyone having the first dose, that provides enough protection to achieve a good level of herd immunity.

PCeeeee

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Late last year at some point.

I understand Button. God knows I sympathise with your point of view but that's a trite response.

Response to the restrictions has (imo) been good until now but that is changing.