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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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iamwhoiam

Sanjuro wrote: »

Probably down to a higher degree of interaction with sick people.

No more than any other retail staff surely

ACitizenErased

Qrt wrote: »

Fully aware every one person vaccinated is a step in the right direction, but can someone please explain why Boots floor staff (i.e. not on the pharmacy) are getting vaccinated but we still have all the vulnerable groups to burn through? I work in a supermarket, I do quite literally the same job as a regular Boots staff member in a much, much busier environment, yet I’m nearly at the bottom of the groupings...

Every pharmacy is getting vaccinated. The chances of a sick person showing up at a pharmacy are way higher than a supermarket.

Stheno

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Every pharmacy is getting vaccinated. The chances of a sick person showing up at a pharmacy are way higher than a supermarket.

Aren't there also plans to do vaccinations in pharmacy's?

iamwhoiam

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Every pharmacy is getting vaccinated. The chances of a sick person showing up at a pharmacy are way higher than a supermarket.

Boots floor staff would not be working in the pharmacy .

ACitizenErased

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Boots floor staff would not be working in the pharmacy .

Boots is a pharmacy.

ACitizenErased

Stheno wrote: »

Aren't there also plans to do vaccinations in pharmacy's?

Yep there is, which makes the need for them to be vaccinated even more prevalent

iamwhoiam

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Boots is a pharmacy.

A part of Boots is a pharmacy Yes , look at Liffey Valley for example a huge shop floor with clothes and cosmetics and baby equipement and toys .The pharmacy is a small area of the whole shop

salmocab

Couple of things that occurred to me if anyone has any answers.
First say a doctor orders 100 doses but managed to vaccinate 110, 4 weeks later does he need to order 110 and if he does and gets another extra 10 out of it what happens to them 10 4 weeks later when they are due the second jab if/when he’s not doing anyone.
Secondly if I got AZ and had booked a couple of weeks down the country that happened to coincide with week 12 is there leeway in the system for this?
Cheers.

JTMan

Professor Luke O’Neill has said it would be “ridiculous and stupid” if there were excess vaccines in North not supplied to the republic in a bid to stamp out Covid-19 on the island of Ireland.

Meanwhile, the UK will have given at least 1 dose to everyone aged 40 and over by 4 April (Easter) according to reports.

astrofool

iamwhoiam wrote: »

A part of Boots is a pharmacy Yes , look at Liffey Valley for example a huge shop floor with clothes and cosmetics and baby equipement and toys .The pharmacy is a small area of the whole shop

The staff areas would be common for the store, it's part of getting the vaccinators vaccinated to speed rollout as supply increases, so we don't end up sitting on lots of supply. We've been very effective at getting supply we get into arms, I would encourage that to continue.

astrofool

salmocab wrote: »

Couple of things that occurred to me if anyone has any answers.
First say a doctor orders 100 doses but managed to vaccinate 110, 4 weeks later does he need to order 110 and if he does and gets another extra 10 out of it what happens to them 10 4 weeks later when they are due the second jab if/when he’s not doing anyone.
Secondly if I got AZ and had booked a couple of weeks down the country that happened to coincide with week 12 is there leeway in the system for this?
Cheers.

They have backup lists in the next group to handle this.

It doesn't need to be exactly on the 12 week mark, so can be a couple of weeks either side, with the 12 week mark optimal. When you know your first vaccine date, you can plan to be around for the second.

Stheno

JTMan wrote: »

Professor Luke O’Neill has said it would be “ridiculous and stupid” if there were excess vaccines in North not supplied to the republic in a bid to stamp out Covid-19 on the island of Ireland.

Meanwhile, the UK will have given at least 1 dose to everyone aged 40 and over by 4 April (Easter) according to reports.

Also from the article:

Prof O’Neill said it was a “cock-up” from Astrazeneca that led to one of their two European plants in the Netherlands not receiving authorisation to produce the vaccine for Europe. He said “the word is” that the shelves are lined with vaccines in this plant and once Astrazeneca provides all the requisite documentation to the EU, it should “clear the logjam”.

salmocab

astrofool wrote: »

They have backup lists in the next group to handle this.

It doesn't need to be exactly on the 12 week mark, so can be a couple of weeks either side, with the 12 week mark optimal. When you know your first vaccine date, you can plan to be around for the second.

I have 2 weeks away booked in July and should be group 4 which could well mean second jab due whilst I’m away (still in Ireland) so whilst I’m very keen to get vaccinated I’d like to know that it’d not be an issue to get a second jab just before or after the trip.

ACitizenErased

iamwhoiam wrote: »

A part of Boots is a pharmacy Yes , look at Liffey Valley for example a huge shop floor with clothes and cosmetics and baby equipement and toys .The pharmacy is a small area of the whole shop

If there’s a pharmacy on site its defined as a pharmacy. They’ll be administering vaccines, hence they’re all being vaccinated. It’s a no brainer.

ACitizenErased

Stheno wrote: »

Also from the article:

Reuters now reporting that the AZ delivery schedule is relying on this factory being approved

iamwhoiam

ACitizenErased wrote: »

If there’s a pharmacy on site its defined as a pharmacy. They’ll be administering vaccines, hence they’re all being vaccinated. It’s a no brainer.

We can agree to disagree . I have a different opinion

iamwhoiam

salmocab wrote: »

I have 2 weeks away booked in July and should be group 4 which could well mean second jab due whilst I’m away (still in Ireland) so whilst I’m very keen to get vaccinated I’d like to know that it’d not be an issue to get a second jab just before or after the trip.

I know a few people vaccinated and they were given a date for the 2nd dose
So maybe as you get the date ask if it can be brought forward

snotboogie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Big improvements in Israel lately. There is less than 1000 in hospital there now.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1370718776199630850?s=21

They are at nearly 110 shots for every hundred people, just under 60% have had the first shot and just under 50% have been fully vaccinated. They should hit 70% with the first shot within 2 weeks. I believe many think this is the threshold for herd immunity however I have seen 80% mentioned too. Fascinating month or so ahead there as a test case for the rest of the world.

afatbollix

Well this week for me is a turning point and I'm sure it will be for a lot of people too soon. I now know more friends and family that have a jab than those who do not.

To start off I got my results from an antibody test:
Negative for covid antibodies
Positive for a vaccine antibody

Which means I did get a vaccine in the J&J trial.

On Wednesday I had my second J&J jab

My mother had her 2nd jab on Monday in Mayo (HCW)
My grandmother had her first jab Friday week in Longford and will get her second on Good Friday which will be a very good Friday.
My wife had her first jab today.

Great for the 3 women in my life to all be protected by Mothers weekend.

embraer170

The whole vaccine roll out in Europe is depressing.

It now seems it will take us until well after the summer to have a substantial proportion of the European population vaccinated. We keep getting promised a quicker rollout next month/next quarter, and it's not just AZ, but other vaccines too. While I don't believe the Commission is doing a particularly good job, I also think think that 27 States fighting each other would not have led to great outcomes.

There was a whole year to prepare this and get it right. The US (under Trump!) managed and we failed miserably.

[Deleted User]

afatbollix wrote: »

Well this week for me is a turning point and I'm sure it will be for a lot of people too soon. I now know more friends and family that have a jab than those who do not.

Congratulations.

However I'm seeing a turning point in the opposite direction, the ineptitude of the overall programme is getting to a lot of people. With the fact that we're now moving to 12 week gaps means the entire summer is a complete write-off in terms of foreign travel for a huge proportion of the population.

[Deleted User]

embraer170 wrote: »

The whole vaccine roll out in Europe is depressing.

It now seems it will take us until well after the summer to have a substantial proportion of the European population vaccinated. We keep getting promised a quicker rollout next month/next quarter, and it's not just AZ, but other vaccines too. While I don't believe the Commission is doing a particularly good job, I also think think that 27 States fighting each other would not have led to great outcomes.

There was a whole year to prepare this and get it right. The US (under Trump!) managed and we failed miserably.

The EU is acting like a teenager who doesn't understand that there are consequences to actions and will insist on following "principles".
They won't "overpay" for the vaccine even though the cost of unemployment is higher than if they did. Last I saw the PUP alone was costing about €140million a week. We could pay double and if it sped things up by a week overall that would be the cost gained back.
They're criticising others for "vaccine nationalism" and won't use their weight to their own benefit. Being high minded is great when everyone else is. Otherwise you're just letting others run rings around you while insisting they're wrong.

mick087

embraer170 wrote: »

The whole vaccine roll out in Europe is depressing.

It now seems it will take us until well after the summer to have a substantial proportion of the European population vaccinated. We keep getting promised a quicker rollout next month/next quarter, and it's not just AZ, but other vaccines too. While I don't believe the Commission is doing a particularly good job, I also think think that 27 States fighting each other would not have led to great outcomes.

There was a whole year to prepare this and get it right. The US (under Trump!) managed and we failed miserably.

But there is light at the end of this tunnel, we will at some point soon all get the vaccine if we so choose.
The vaccines out there being used in Ireland are all excellent and when your name does come up take what ever vaccine is offered.

This experience has been dreadful but its coming to a end.

Wolf359f

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Congratulations.

However I'm seeing a turning point in the opposite direction, the ineptitude of the overall programme is getting to a lot of people. With the fact that we're now moving to 12 week gaps means the entire summer is a complete write-off in terms of foreign travel for a huge proportion of the population.

It is and always had been 3 weeks for Pfizer, 4 weeks for moderna and 12 for astrazenca (AZ was going to be 4 weeks ago for 70+ age group but that's changed)
As the 70+ are getting mRNA it doesn't make a difference.

This 12 week gap being new news is incorrect. It was always going to be 12 week gap. All the literature around the AZ jab states 12 weeks for you second dose etc...

Qrt

astrofool wrote: »

The staff areas would be common for the store, it's part of getting the vaccinators vaccinated to speed rollout as supply increases, so we don't end up sitting on lots of supply. We've been very effective at getting supply we get into arms, I would encourage that to continue.

I’d understand this...but...

Seven of the largest Tesco’s in the country also have pharmacies, examples being Naas, Newbridge, The Square too. Going by the Boots rationale, all the Tesco staff should be getting them soon.

I’m just speaking as a shop worker, working in an environment where social distancing went out the window a long, long time ago.

afatbollix

Deleted User wrote: »

Congratulations.

However I'm seeing a turning point in the opposite direction, the ineptitude of the overall programme is getting to a lot of people. With the fact that we're now moving to 12 week gaps means the entire summer is a complete write-off in terms of foreign travel for a huge proportion of the population.

I felt like you 6 weeks ago and yes its shi te right now but you will hear more and more friends and family getting a jab and that's what helps.

Van.Bosch

salmocab wrote: »

Couple of things that occurred to me if anyone has any answers.
First say a doctor orders 100 doses but managed to vaccinate 110, 4 weeks later does he need to order 110 and if he does and gets another extra 10 out of it what happens to them 10 4 weeks later when they are due the second jab if/when he’s not doing anyone.
Secondly if I got AZ and had booked a couple of weeks down the country that happened to coincide with week 12 is there leeway in the system for this?
Cheers.

If it were me, I’d be sticking with the recommended dose gap for my second dose.

Ireland is a small country, I’d drive back to my GP or wherever to get the second dose when scheduled. It’s a vaccine to allow us get back to normal, it would be worth missing a day of my holiday for.

mick087

Qrt wrote: »

I’d understand this...but...

Seven of the largest Tesco’s in the country also have pharmacies, examples being Naas, Newbridge, The Square too. Going by the Boots rationale, all the Tesco staff should be getting them soon.

I’m just speaking as a shop worker, working in an environment where social distancing went out the window a long, long time ago.

Shop workers have done an amazing job, with out-you and all the front line workers society would have crumbled.

Maybe important front line workers like yourself have a case to be brought forward in reviving the vaccine. Are you in a Union are they fighting your cause?

[Deleted User]

afatbollix wrote: »

I felt like you 6 weeks ago and yes its shi te right now but you will hear more and more friends and family getting a jab and that's what helps.

My mother got her first dose yesterday. Dad should get his soon. I'm high risk but haven't been in a hospital in a while and can find no information about how to get myself onto the list. GP is useless.

I was hoping to get a small trip away this summer. If it takes another month or 2 then that's done, gone. There are people who are way below me on the list. I'm sure they'll be delighted that others are getting the vaccine but will also be thinking "Jesus ****ing Christ when can I do something or go somewhere?". The Brits are gonna be done while we'll still be around 20% and still with restrictions despite the high-risk population being vaccinated because oh, have to be safe! It's really dragging on and we're almost 3 months into the vaccination process with targets constantly missed, new ramp-ups not actually happening while we see the Brits double their already much-higher rate. All with "oh we'll see" about the idea of maybe, possibly removing some feckin restrictions.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Congratulations.

However I'm seeing a turning point in the opposite direction, the ineptitude of the overall programme is getting to a lot of people. With the fact that we're now moving to 12 week gaps means the entire summer is a complete write-off in terms of foreign travel for a huge proportion of the population.

The ineptitude is not of our making, we're pretty much putting anything we get into arms but of course it's the government or HSE to blame regardless.