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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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trellheim

As with any company I've dealt with once you get your account manager first port of call is to ask for a meeting with the boss.

+1 account manager is so the boss doesn't have to talk to you.

stephenjmcd

eoinbn wrote: »

A worrying sign. Could mean the numbers for the next few weeks, and Q1 as a whole, are well below what we were told. It seems they must be having issues at the fill and finish stage. In January they were saying that it was the production stage but if that was the only issue they would of know exactly how much vaccine they could deliver by the end of February as it would be in the F&F stage.

Wouldn't say its worrying to be honest. Ireland in the last few days was assigned a country manager from AZ. As with any company I've dealt with once you get your account manager first port of call is to ask for a meeting with the boss, list the issues etc then deal with the account manager to get things sorted after that.

stephenjmcd

Irish Stones wrote: »

Yes, but isn't that weird that some of those who died to blood clots had just received a dose of vaccine?
I mean, can it be a coincidence? Some of them were young and fit.

As far as I'm aware no details of the people have been made public so don't know if you can assume they were young and fit ??

We have no idea of what other medication people were on etc. 22 cases out of 3 million is a very small amount of reports. If there was going to be issues it would have appeared in bigger numbers by now given the UKs widespread use

Apogee

Does anyone know if there is a HSE Briefing scheduled for today? Usually on a Thursday.

eoinbn

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Interesting

https://twitter.com/rtenewspaulc/status/1369997505455390721?s=21

A worrying sign. Could mean the numbers for the next few weeks, and Q1 as a whole, are well below what we were told. It seems they must be having issues at the fill and finish stage. In January they were saying that it was the production stage but if that was the only issue they would of know exactly how much vaccine they could deliver by the end of February as it would be in the F&F stage.

Gael23

BringBackMick wrote: »

That news about Pfizer will surely reinforce the need for it to be the primary vacinne for the vulnerable cohorts of our society.

It’s turning into the only one that matters

Apogee

hynesie08 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1369991502752059392?s=20

Is that a Monday record?

No, the bot does not correctly report the doses administered each day. 7756 administered on Monday 8th March. 8165 administered on Monday 15th February. The 7756 figure will likely be incremented in coming days.

dominatinMC

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

Yeah, its nearly becoming a bad news story for Oxford at this stage - talk about grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory

To be fair, it's all relative, the Oxford vaccine has been a resounding success for the UK.

BringBackMick

That news about Pfizer will surely reinforce the need for it to be the primary vacinne for the vulnerable cohorts of our society.

[Deleted User]

astrofool wrote: »

Yes, same batches have gone to multiple countries, but I'd hold off on jumping to conclusions early, and let the investigation happen calmly.

I’m still waiting for you to answer my question by the way.

Pablo Escobar

eoinbn wrote: »

Can you post some official figures that aren't nonsense?

It remains to be to be seen whether the official timeline is met, but it is seemingly at least based on some form or line-of-sight. It beats making up my own timeline.

gmisk

stephenjmcd wrote: »

J&J approved

https://twitter.com/EMA_News/status/1370002324605853701?s=19

Brilliant news!

Irish Stones

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The batch Austria initially reported is 1 million doses in 17 countries. EMA have cleared the batch.

As of Tuesday, there had been 22 reports of blood clotting conditions among the three million people to receive the AstraZeneca jab in the European Economic Area. Its not outside expected numbers within the population

astrofool wrote: »

Yes, same batches have gone to multiple countries, but I'd hold off on jumping to conclusions early, and let the investigation happen calmly.

Yes, but isn't that weird that some of those who died to blood clots had just received a dose of vaccine?
I mean, can it be a coincidence? Some of them were young and fit.

Deeper Blue

That Pfizer news is massive, absolutely massive

[Deleted User]

josip wrote: »

You'd have to have some sympathy for Professor Gilbert and all the people in Oxford responsible for getting an effective vaccine out there early.
They've been totally let down by their choice of company to productify it.

When they see 600,000 doses being given out in Ghana, the fact a few wealthy Europeans have to wait a bit longer to get to the pub probably isn’t a big concern.

astrofool

Irish Stones wrote: »

A few sudden deaths have been reported in these past few days of people vaccinated with AZ a few hours earlier, in different countries. And apparently they were always due to blood clots.
Can a bad batch have been delivered to different countries?

Yes, same batches have gone to multiple countries, but I'd hold off on jumping to conclusions early, and let the investigation happen calmly.

stephenjmcd

Irish Stones wrote: »

A few sudden deaths have been reported in these past few days of people vaccinated with AZ a few hours earlier, in different countries. And apparently they were always due to blood clots.
Can a bad batch have been delivered to different countries?

The batch Austria initially reported is 1 million doses in 17 countries. EMA have cleared the batch.

As of Tuesday, there had been 22 reports of blood clotting conditions among the three million people to receive the AstraZeneca jab in the European Economic Area. Its not outside expected numbers within the population

Pete_Cavan

josip wrote: »

You'd have to have some sympathy for Professor Gilbert and all the people in Oxford responsible for getting an effective vaccine out there early.
They've been totally let down by their choice of company to productify it.

AZ weren't necessarily their choice of company though

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-rejected-contracts-and-a-hollywood-movie-how-uk-struck-deal-to-guarantee-vaccine-supply-12204044

stephenjmcd

J&J approved

https://twitter.com/EMA_News/status/1370002324605853701?s=19

Sanjuro

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

J&J one-dose has just been approved

https://www.thejournal.ie/eu-medicines-agency-approves-johnson-johnson-one-shot-vaccine-5378150-Mar2021/

TheJournal are all on the ball, just avoid the comments section as usual

Excellent news, excellent advice.

Irish Stones

VG31 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/11/denmark-pauses-astrazeneca-vaccines-to-investigate-blood-clot-reports

A bit concerning to be honest. Even a bad batch rather than an issue with the vaccine itself would severely damage public confidence in it.

A few sudden deaths have been reported in these past few days of people vaccinated with AZ a few hours earlier, in different countries. And apparently they were always due to blood clots.
Can a bad batch have been delivered to different countries?

Chris_5339762

J&J one-dose has just been approved

https://www.thejournal.ie/eu-medicines-agency-approves-johnson-johnson-one-shot-vaccine-5378150-Mar2021/

TheJournal are all on the ball, just avoid the comments section as usual

Pete_Cavan

JDD wrote: »

I'm sure their vaccine production is equally complex, yet they are able to deliver on time.

I don't know enough about it really but I would have thought mRNA vaccines would be even more complex to produce given they are a new technology and presumably require new production lines, developing new processes, etc.

Sanjuro

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Interesting

https://twitter.com/rtenewspaulc/status/1369997505455390721?s=21

Well thank god for that. With the absolute paragon of charisma that Micheál Martin is, I'm sure he'll get us right out of this mess.

:rolleyes:

JDD

josip wrote: »

You'd have to have some sympathy for Professor Gilbert and all the people in Oxford responsible for getting an effective vaccine out there early.
They've been totally let down by their choice of company to productify it.

Completely. There should be serious investigations made on whether there was any negligent or reckless decisions, or promises, made by the company by their regulator when all this is done. If it looks like they overpromised when they knew there were production issues, or whether deliberate decisions were made to maximise profits that resulted in delays in production, they should lose their pharmaceutical license and perhaps there is an argument for civil cases to be taken against individual management staff.

Rebelbrowser

josip wrote: »

You'd have to have some sympathy for Professor Gilbert and all the people in Oxford responsible for getting an effective vaccine out there early.
They've been totally let down by their choice of company to productify it.

Yeah, its nearly becoming a bad news story for Oxford at this stage - talk about grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory

ACitizenErased

Interesting

https://twitter.com/rtenewspaulc/status/1369997505455390721?s=21

josip

JDD wrote: »

I'm sure their vaccine production is equally complex, yet they are able to deliver on time.

AZ are a sh*tshow. We should be disregarding them entirely and trying to source additional vaccine elsewhere, even if it is someone else's stockpile of AZ. I mean the vaccine itself is fine, it's just the company who are screwing us over. I'd happy take the Sputnik or Sinopharm vaccine tomorrow if it was offered to me.

You'd have to have some sympathy for Professor Gilbert and all the people in Oxford responsible for getting an effective vaccine out there early.
They've been totally let down by their choice of company to productify it.

JDD

trellheim wrote: »

From the Dail earlier this morning https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2021-03-11/2/

( I see its front splash on rte.ie as well ) Also note that pfizer and moderna are more or less bang on, as a comparison.

I'm sure their vaccine production is equally complex, yet they are able to deliver on time.

AZ are a sh*tshow. We should be disregarding them entirely and trying to source additional vaccine elsewhere, even if it is someone else's stockpile of AZ. I mean the vaccine itself is fine, it's just the company who are screwing us over. I'd happy take the Sputnik or Sinopharm vaccine tomorrow if it was offered to me.

trellheim

I thank the Deputy. I will get him a detailed note on the number of corrections or revisions from AstraZeneca. Last week over a seven-day period, it revised down its deliveries at the very last minute three times. The reasons are down to production. It is not my area of expertise but we are told that the production of these compounds is very complex and things can go wrong. However, I agree with the Deputy; what is happening with AstraZeneca is not good enough. Ultimately the people it is causing anxiety for, the only people who matter in any of this, are the public. Vulnerable people are waiting and it is not good enough.

From the Dail earlier this morning https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2021-03-11/2/

( I see its front splash on rte.ie as well ) Also note that pfizer and moderna are more or less bang on, as a comparison.