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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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ACitizenErased

Monster249 wrote: »

Explain how it has nothing to do with the government? Are the HSE a privatized business?

Do you really think that Stephen Donnelly has any say in testing

NeuralNetwork

Well, it would depend on whether the testing is actually 'a shambles' or whether you are just getting the one or two outlying cases that got delayed and are being shouted about online.

If there's a general issue with tests taking days, it's a problem. If it's a small % of tests that are delayed e.g. you could have a system error or something that caused a delay or a machine down or anything like that behind the scenes that caused a processing delay.

The only way you could assess the quality of the system is to see the general stats for test turnover time.

Monster249

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Do you really think that Stephen Donnelly has any say in testing

I can't tell if you're trolling? The HSE are operated by the government. It literally has everything to do with the government.

titan18

RavenBea17b wrote: »

I thought Novartis where to be producing the Pfizer BioNtech vaccine in Switzerland - hadn't they made a contract to help increase the production of Pfizer due supply issues and to ramp up production.
I may be wrong on this, but I haven't spotted any separate new vaccine that is being developed by them in EU. Again I may well be mistaken.

Think I'm confusing them with Novavax. That was the one I think they never ordered but has discussions.

Monster249

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

Well, it would depend on whether the testing is actually 'a shambles' or whether you are just getting the one or two outlying cases that got delayed and are being shouted about online.

If there's a general issue with tests taking days, it's a problem. If it's a small % of tests that are delayed e.g. you could have a system error or something that caused a delay or a machine down or anything like that behind the scenes that caused a processing delay.

The only way you could assess the quality of the system is to see the general stats for test turnover time.

Which of course they don't release because it would bring necessary criticism.

ACitizenErased

Monster249 wrote: »

I can't tell if you're trolling? The HSE are operated by the government. It literally has everything to do with the government.

The HSE and department of health are virtually entirely separate. Watch any of the press briefings and see if you can hear the CMO answering questions for the HSE.

NeuralNetwork

With Sanofi, GSK and Merck there were high expectations because of their scale in the vaccines business, but it turned out that the outliers produced the goods. The mRNA vaccines were not where anyone betting based on track record would have put their money.

Monster249

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The HSE and department of health are virtually entirely separate. Watch any of the press briefings and see if you can hear the CMO answering questions for the HSE.

Criticism of the HSE and criticism of the Government's response to Covid are one and the same. I didn't feel a need to differentiate.

ACitizenErased

Monster249 wrote: »

Criticism of the HSE and criticism of the Government's response to Covid are one and the same. I didn't feel a need to differentiate.

Probably not the best to criticize so when you've no idea what the differences are

Monster249

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Probably not the best to criticize so when you've no idea what the differences are

My criticism is of the inefficiency of the testing procedures, which is the job of the HSE and by extension, Stephen Donnelly.

If you're lacking the mental fortitude to understand how I've made that link, you can view their tree of leadership here:

https://www.hse.ie/eng/about/who/

Gael23

Are other regions facing supply shortfalls as well or only the EU?

Cork2021

Anyway, Just a thought!
Every jab that goes into people’s arms is worth a whole bunch of yesssssss get in there you beauty!! The fact the suppliers of these vaccines can’t meet demand isn’t really their fault. This has all been done in less then 12 months! Doesn’t matter how big the pharma company is it’s just not feasible that they can all just bang out these at the drop of a hat.
Obviously there’s a lot of politics in play with AZ we can’t do anything about it. We’re only a small island on the edge of Europe!
We should definitely be trying to source from others but that won’t happen soon, summer most likely but by then we probably won’t need excess vaccines from anywhere else.
So my attitude from now on is the HSE are doing their best, every jab is a win and helps stops this horror show!

stephenjmcd

Monster249 wrote: »

The testing is a shambles. I've an elderly relative waiting 2 days for a result, they have had a f**king year to streamline it and make it more efficient.

We continue to do our job and the government repeatedly fail.

From anyone I've heard of recently who's had to get a test they've had the result back within 24hrs.

I do know of 1 person who hadn't heard back after 48hrs, rang up the GP, GP tracked down the result, simple issue with the contact number that was assigned to the test therefore the text didn't trigger with the negative result.

These things happen, the system itself is very efficient currently.

Might be a good idea for your relative to follow up through the method they were referred through. I think it's unfair to say it's a shambles, it's one thing they've actually done quite well with in terms of capacity.

stefanovich

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The HSE and department of health are virtually entirely separate. Watch any of the press briefings and see if you can hear the CMO answering questions for the HSE.

Why don't the government hold the HSE to account ever? Our health system is a shambles. Germany better, France better, UK better... Is there any country in Europe with a more dysfunctional and more expensive health service?

NeuralNetwork

Given the AstraZeneca vaccine's approved and seems easily ramped up, I'd like to see one of the larger players partner with Oxford and AstraZeneca to get the quantities up. They're clearly struggling with their own supply chain.

I think this is an area where the US will probably outpace the EU and even the UK after ra while, they have the ability to direct production if necessary and large federal agencies with a lot of experience and a huge military-industrial complex type mindset.

ShyMets

Monster249 wrote: »

My criticism is of the inefficiency of the testing procedures, which is the job of the HSE and by extension, Stephen Donnelly.

If you're lacking the mental fortitude to understand how I've made that link, you can view their tree of leadership here:

https://www.hse.ie/eng/about/who/

Alert. Alert. We got a badass on our hands

RavenBea17b

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

Given the AstraZeneca vaccine's approved and seems easily ramped up, I'd like to see one of the larger players partner with Oxford and AstraZeneca to get the quantities up. They're clearly struggling with their own supply chain.

I think this is an area where the US will probably outpace the UK - the ability to direct production if necessary.

It's really about getting the supplies, then it's about getting the batch quality to make the vaccine. Each batch creation is a miracle really, getting the correct level is essentially. I think I read that some of the issues ironed out in UK were utilised in EU mainland, to get increased yield per batch of serum. Growing it is the tough bit, after materials to make it, and then finish.

ACitizenErased

Monster249 wrote: »

My criticism is of the inefficiency of the testing procedures, which is the job of the HSE and by extension, Stephen Donnelly.

If you're lacking the mental fortitude to understand how I've made that link, you can view their tree of leadership here:

https://www.hse.ie/eng/about/who/

Ah yeah sure I’m sure Donnelly’s right in there making decisions

trellheim

Every jab that goes into people’s arms is worth a whole bunch of yesssssss get in there you beauty!! The fact the suppliers of these vaccines can’t meet demand isn’t really their fault. This has all been done in less then 12 months! Doesn’t matter how big the pharma company is it’s just not feasible that they can all just bang out these at the drop of a hat.
Obviously there’s a lot of politics in play with AZ we can’t do anything about it. We’re only a small island on the edge of Europe!
We should definitely be trying to source from others but that won’t happen soon, summer most likely but by then we probably won’t need excess vaccines from anywhere else.
So my attitude from now on is the HSE are doing their best, every jab is a win and helps stops this horror show!

Sure ; vaccine delivery plans for Q1 have now dropped from 1.7 million to 850,000. They will likely drop further in the 22 days left in the quarter. I'd like to know more.

brickster69

https://twitter.com/PaulSommerville/status/1369250781740883970

Deusexmachina

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Do you really think that Stephen Donnelly has any say in testing

What a ridiculous comment.

ACitizenErased

Deusexmachina wrote: »

What a ridiculous comment.

Do explain

titan18

brickster69 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PaulSommerville/status/1369250781740883970

Well, if that's true, government should be fcuked out of it

Level 42

brickster69 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PaulSommerville/status/1369250781740883970

i heard that aswell when i was getting a bag of chips last night -fella behind the counter was on abt it

Deusexmachina

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Do explain

Do I have to?
The way the country governed is that the people elect representatives - some of whom form a Government, made up of Ministers. Ministers are allocated responsibility for Government Departments such as Health, Finance, Defence etc.
These Ministers are responsible for the performance of the various agencies and organisations under the aegis of their Department.
As such, Stephen Donnelly, as Minister for Health is responsible for the performance of the HSE, HIQA, the Department of Health etc.
This is how a democracy maintains accountability. He isn't injecting every vaccine, he isn't chasing up each and every contact - but he is responsible and accountable.

lucernarian

Cork2021 wrote: »

And Mac n’ chise with another good thread!

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1368921796993556484?s=21

Am I the only one who finds that content to be rather clickbaitey and with lots of hot takes? Compared to some of the other scientific commentators out there.

Edit: referring to the Twitter profile, not the boards poster! Sorry for the confusion.

Cork2021

lucernarian wrote: »

Am I the only one who finds that content to be rather clickbaitey and with lots of hot takes? Compared to some of the other scientific commentators out there.

Well at least it isn’t doom and gloom! But if you want to look at click bait follow, staines, killeen, mclysaght, Mc donkey and co!

Scuid Mhór

brickster69 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PaulSommerville/status/1369250781740883970

Can’t wait for the media storm if this turns out to be true.

is_that_so

brickster69 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PaulSommerville/status/1369250781740883970

Ah John McGuinness, the shape thrower himself! I'm guessing he means Moderna and we are not doing vaccine nationalism. Let them pass these phantom vaccines on to COVAX.

JTMan

This is years away but really interesting as to where mRNA vaccines might go in the future ...

CureVac are continuing to collaborate with Tesla on building a mRNA printer.

The drug printer is about the size of a regular car, and it could ‘print’ the medicine on-site after sourcing the reagents via a courier and downloading the prescription for the required medicine over the internet.
“The printers can be placed in pharmacies and doctors' offices around the world,” Ingmar Hoerr, the founder, and CEO of CureVac said.
“There is still a lot to optimize,” Hoerr added. It could be several years before the device is ready for mass production.