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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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trellheim

RTE reporting as of 15:10 today that the number for Q1 from Paul Reid is 1.1m doses.

Contradicted by a later IT article stating 850k. Paul Reid was on at 930 before the Oireachtas committee saying 1.1 this morning so that date is before the IT article, which is attributed to but not quoting the Taoiseach

snowcat

https://trialsitenews.com/bulgarian-randomized-double-blind-placebo-controlled-ivermectin-study-shows-positive-results-against-covid-19/

lucernarian

is_that_so wrote: »

Ah John McGuinness, the shape thrower himself! I'm guessing he means Moderna and we are not doing vaccine nationalism. Let them pass these phantom vaccines on to COVAX.

Yeah it's suspicious, surely the manufacturer can pass them on to the EU even and we can at least get a small portion of that.

lucernarian

Cork2021 wrote: »

Well at least it isn’t doom and gloom! But if you want to look at click bait follow, staines, killeen, mclysaght, Mc donkey and co!

Why would I want to look at clickbait? Someone like Luke O'Neill is who I'd follow for scientific updates, not someone calling themselves Mac n chose with vapid commentary.

Edited earlier post to specify what I was referring to, apologies.

monkeybutter

brickster69 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PaulSommerville/status/1369250781740883970

the US doesn't have a surplus of vaccines, neither does russia

Deathofcool

RTE reporting as of 15:10 today that the number for Q1 from Paul Reid is 1.1m doses.
J&J will start to arrive from mid April but the majority of the order is back ended.
With all the negative news today im starting to get the feeling that our ramp up and the EU's will coincide with both the US and the UK coming to the end of their vaccination program.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0308/1202788-coronavirus-ireland/

JTMan

This is years away but really interesting as to where mRNA vaccines might go in the future ...

CureVac are continuing to collaborate with Tesla on building a mRNA printer.

The drug printer is about the size of a regular car, and it could ‘print’ the medicine on-site after sourcing the reagents via a courier and downloading the prescription for the required medicine over the internet.
“The printers can be placed in pharmacies and doctors' offices around the world,” Ingmar Hoerr, the founder, and CEO of CureVac said.
“There is still a lot to optimize,” Hoerr added. It could be several years before the device is ready for mass production.

is_that_so

brickster69 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PaulSommerville/status/1369250781740883970

Ah John McGuinness, the shape thrower himself! I'm guessing he means Moderna and we are not doing vaccine nationalism. Let them pass these phantom vaccines on to COVAX.

Scuid Mhór

brickster69 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PaulSommerville/status/1369250781740883970

Can’t wait for the media storm if this turns out to be true.

Cork2021

lucernarian wrote: »

Am I the only one who finds that content to be rather clickbaitey and with lots of hot takes? Compared to some of the other scientific commentators out there.

Well at least it isn’t doom and gloom! But if you want to look at click bait follow, staines, killeen, mclysaght, Mc donkey and co!

lucernarian

Cork2021 wrote: »

And Mac n’ chise with another good thread!

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1368921796993556484?s=21

Am I the only one who finds that content to be rather clickbaitey and with lots of hot takes? Compared to some of the other scientific commentators out there.

Edit: referring to the Twitter profile, not the boards poster! Sorry for the confusion.

Deusexmachina

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Do explain

Do I have to?
The way the country governed is that the people elect representatives - some of whom form a Government, made up of Ministers. Ministers are allocated responsibility for Government Departments such as Health, Finance, Defence etc.
These Ministers are responsible for the performance of the various agencies and organisations under the aegis of their Department.
As such, Stephen Donnelly, as Minister for Health is responsible for the performance of the HSE, HIQA, the Department of Health etc.
This is how a democracy maintains accountability. He isn't injecting every vaccine, he isn't chasing up each and every contact - but he is responsible and accountable.

Level 42

brickster69 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PaulSommerville/status/1369250781740883970

i heard that aswell when i was getting a bag of chips last night -fella behind the counter was on abt it

titan18

brickster69 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PaulSommerville/status/1369250781740883970

Well, if that's true, government should be fcuked out of it

ACitizenErased

Deusexmachina wrote: »

What a ridiculous comment.

Do explain

Deusexmachina

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Do you really think that Stephen Donnelly has any say in testing

What a ridiculous comment.

brickster69

https://twitter.com/PaulSommerville/status/1369250781740883970

trellheim

Every jab that goes into people’s arms is worth a whole bunch of yesssssss get in there you beauty!! The fact the suppliers of these vaccines can’t meet demand isn’t really their fault. This has all been done in less then 12 months! Doesn’t matter how big the pharma company is it’s just not feasible that they can all just bang out these at the drop of a hat.
Obviously there’s a lot of politics in play with AZ we can’t do anything about it. We’re only a small island on the edge of Europe!
We should definitely be trying to source from others but that won’t happen soon, summer most likely but by then we probably won’t need excess vaccines from anywhere else.
So my attitude from now on is the HSE are doing their best, every jab is a win and helps stops this horror show!

Sure ; vaccine delivery plans for Q1 have now dropped from 1.7 million to 850,000. They will likely drop further in the 22 days left in the quarter. I'd like to know more.

ACitizenErased

Monster249 wrote: »

My criticism is of the inefficiency of the testing procedures, which is the job of the HSE and by extension, Stephen Donnelly.

If you're lacking the mental fortitude to understand how I've made that link, you can view their tree of leadership here:

https://www.hse.ie/eng/about/who/

Ah yeah sure I’m sure Donnelly’s right in there making decisions

RavenBea17b

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

Given the AstraZeneca vaccine's approved and seems easily ramped up, I'd like to see one of the larger players partner with Oxford and AstraZeneca to get the quantities up. They're clearly struggling with their own supply chain.

I think this is an area where the US will probably outpace the UK - the ability to direct production if necessary.

It's really about getting the supplies, then it's about getting the batch quality to make the vaccine. Each batch creation is a miracle really, getting the correct level is essentially. I think I read that some of the issues ironed out in UK were utilised in EU mainland, to get increased yield per batch of serum. Growing it is the tough bit, after materials to make it, and then finish.

ShyMets

Monster249 wrote: »

My criticism is of the inefficiency of the testing procedures, which is the job of the HSE and by extension, Stephen Donnelly.

If you're lacking the mental fortitude to understand how I've made that link, you can view their tree of leadership here:

https://www.hse.ie/eng/about/who/

Alert. Alert. We got a badass on our hands

NeuralNetwork

Given the AstraZeneca vaccine's approved and seems easily ramped up, I'd like to see one of the larger players partner with Oxford and AstraZeneca to get the quantities up. They're clearly struggling with their own supply chain.

I think this is an area where the US will probably outpace the EU and even the UK after ra while, they have the ability to direct production if necessary and large federal agencies with a lot of experience and a huge military-industrial complex type mindset.

stefanovich

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The HSE and department of health are virtually entirely separate. Watch any of the press briefings and see if you can hear the CMO answering questions for the HSE.

Why don't the government hold the HSE to account ever? Our health system is a shambles. Germany better, France better, UK better... Is there any country in Europe with a more dysfunctional and more expensive health service?

stephenjmcd

Monster249 wrote: »

The testing is a shambles. I've an elderly relative waiting 2 days for a result, they have had a f**king year to streamline it and make it more efficient.

We continue to do our job and the government repeatedly fail.

From anyone I've heard of recently who's had to get a test they've had the result back within 24hrs.

I do know of 1 person who hadn't heard back after 48hrs, rang up the GP, GP tracked down the result, simple issue with the contact number that was assigned to the test therefore the text didn't trigger with the negative result.

These things happen, the system itself is very efficient currently.

Might be a good idea for your relative to follow up through the method they were referred through. I think it's unfair to say it's a shambles, it's one thing they've actually done quite well with in terms of capacity.

Cork2021

Anyway, Just a thought!
Every jab that goes into people’s arms is worth a whole bunch of yesssssss get in there you beauty!! The fact the suppliers of these vaccines can’t meet demand isn’t really their fault. This has all been done in less then 12 months! Doesn’t matter how big the pharma company is it’s just not feasible that they can all just bang out these at the drop of a hat.
Obviously there’s a lot of politics in play with AZ we can’t do anything about it. We’re only a small island on the edge of Europe!
We should definitely be trying to source from others but that won’t happen soon, summer most likely but by then we probably won’t need excess vaccines from anywhere else.
So my attitude from now on is the HSE are doing their best, every jab is a win and helps stops this horror show!

Gael23

Are other regions facing supply shortfalls as well or only the EU?

Monster249

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Probably not the best to criticize so when you've no idea what the differences are

My criticism is of the inefficiency of the testing procedures, which is the job of the HSE and by extension, Stephen Donnelly.

If you're lacking the mental fortitude to understand how I've made that link, you can view their tree of leadership here:

https://www.hse.ie/eng/about/who/

ACitizenErased

Monster249 wrote: »

Criticism of the HSE and criticism of the Government's response to Covid are one and the same. I didn't feel a need to differentiate.

Probably not the best to criticize so when you've no idea what the differences are

Monster249

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The HSE and department of health are virtually entirely separate. Watch any of the press briefings and see if you can hear the CMO answering questions for the HSE.

Criticism of the HSE and criticism of the Government's response to Covid are one and the same. I didn't feel a need to differentiate.

NeuralNetwork

With Sanofi, GSK and Merck there were high expectations because of their scale in the vaccines business, but it turned out that the outliers produced the goods. The mRNA vaccines were not where anyone betting based on track record would have put their money.